Federal employees can pray and preach
in the workplace under new Trump rules
Politico,
by
Gregory Svirnovskiy
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
7/29/2025 2:29:00 PM
Federal employees can preach in the workplace under new guidelines issued Monday by the Trump administration that have alarmed advocates for the separation of church and state.
The guidelines, outlined in a memo from the Office of Personnel Management, allow public employees to pray and discuss religion, including efforts to “persuade others of the correctness of their own religious views,” but do not endorse a specific faith. Supervisors are also allowed to encourage workers to engage in expressions of faith, including prayer.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
stablemoney 7/29/2025 2:51:51 PM (No. 1984142)
Why can't we get separation of state from socialism?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 7/29/2025 3:02:18 PM (No. 1984146)
I didn't know that one gives up your Constitutional Rights when you work for the government.
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in Constitution, just that there is no state or government religion.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
mossley 7/29/2025 3:21:43 PM (No. 1984156)
How about just doing your job that the taxpayers are footing the bill for?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
M Stuart 7/29/2025 3:22:48 PM (No. 1984159)
Of course people have the God given right to witness. It is part of the Great Commission. But the leftists are whining. They want a faith-free society.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Safari Man 7/29/2025 3:26:43 PM (No. 1984160)
And let the radical Muslims out themselves
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
downnout 7/29/2025 3:27:13 PM (No. 1984161)
You are there to do a job - do it. We taxpayers will thank you.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
crashnburn 7/29/2025 3:48:36 PM (No. 1984167)
Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. As long as you get your work done, and don't bother others so they can get their work done,
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
FormerDem 7/29/2025 4:57:11 PM (No. 1984190)
personally I think it is equitable because thsoe who hold the religious opinion that God does not exist and/or matter, have been vocally arguing for a privileged position for their own patently stupid opinions. they believe they are the common ground. it is a case for privilege and it is not the truth - despising all the believers does not make one a neutral in our fights.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
chumley 7/29/2025 5:47:23 PM (No. 1984201)
This could end badly. Every religion has their zealots who have no qualms about talking peoples ears off about their faith. They dont take social cues and sometimes one has to get rude to make them go away. It also interferes with the professional relationship.
Leave me and my soul alone, and lets accomplish the mission.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Strike3 7/29/2025 7:43:11 PM (No. 1984243)
This will cause more office fights than it will make better informed people. If I was in the middle of trying to fix a computer system problem and some zealot was trying to convert me to Zoroastrianism, he would be silenced in an impolite way.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Catherine 7/29/2025 7:50:31 PM (No. 1984245)
I agree with #9. This could get ugly in an office. I don't need anyone witnesses to me about their religion. It's bad enough being accosted in public at times by someone asking if I've found Jesus. Whether I have or not is no one's business. This is going to be tricky in a lot of offices.
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I doubt if there are many remaining who care to pray. Many believers fled the persecution, and some were run off.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
bpl40 7/30/2025 7:22:51 AM (No. 1984353)
Pray is fine. Preach could get messy and ugly.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 7/30/2025 8:01:12 AM (No. 1984387)
I sure hope this doesn't extend to the 5 daily prayers of Mohammedans. Next thing you know they'll be demanding Minarets near Federal office buildings and the recorded "Balla shalla boohla" chants coming over the Muzak speakers above cubicles and in elevators.
We need to strike that "Hart-Cellar Act," now known as the, "Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965," and go back to the old formula for maintaining our national culture and control our demographic.
From Wikipedia under the "National Origins Formula."
"In 1924, the only Census Bureau estimate of colonial stock makeup had been published more than a decade prior in 1909 report A Century of Population Growth, which put the 1790 population at 82.1% English (incl. Welsh), 7.0% Scotch, 1.9% Irish, 2.5% Dutch, 0.6% French and 5.6% German."
Also worthy of note:
"The national origins formula prescribed by the Immigration Act of 1924, effective 1929, capped total annual quota immigration from outside the Western Hemisphere at 150,000. The quota for each country was to be computed as a fraction of 150,000 in a ratio proportional to the number of U.S. inhabitants of each national origin as a share of total inhabitants in 1920, with a minimum quota of 100."
Let's "Make America America Again"
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
keep_right 7/30/2025 8:35:14 AM (No. 1984410)
Employees may not be coerced into participating in a lunch hour Bible study or early morning prayer time. As long as employees participate voluntarily, restoring this freedom is the right thing to do.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
chagrined 7/30/2025 10:09:30 AM (No. 1984468)
Huh, I guess now some of them can pray they still have their job.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Zigrid 7/30/2025 10:42:26 AM (No. 1984488)
I am all in favor of the freedom to take a few minutes at work to pray....
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
WWIIDaughter 7/30/2025 10:53:19 AM (No. 1984499)
Fifteen years ago the Social Security Disability office where I worked (Austin TX) hired a hijab-wearing physician. She was given a private space to do her daily prayers. My son is a teacher in the Austin TX public school system. Their official holidays include Eid al-Fitr but no Christmas (it's Winter Holiday). One more reason we refused to continue submitting and got our of that leftist Hades to move to free West Texas.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 7/30/2025 1:31:40 PM (No. 1984564)
When I worked at our county's Socialist Services Dept., I would come to work a half-hour early so I could leave at 7am to attend Daily Mass. It didn't take long for other Christians to identify themselves to me. Whenever one of us had hard run-in with the commie supervisors, they would come to my office to pray together. It was all done on the quiet.
I did get "dinged" once and was scheduled for a meeting with the Adult Services Director. They said I could have "an advocate" with me. I invited my pastor to be my "advocate". Fr. Bruce showed up in his best black linen cassock! The Director's office had interior windows on one side. It was really funny to see people's reactions when the saw a priest in her office with me! She was most uncomfortable in that interview and struggled to make her point of "separation of church and state". She lost and I was never again questioned about leaving the office for 40 minutes to attend Mass. It was my best day at the SS.
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