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Russia Calls Kyiv’s Negotiating Position
‘Delusional’, Yet Demands Ukrainian
Surrender For Peace

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Posted By: earlybird, 6/4/2025 10:54:14 AM

Despite months of talks, both Russia and Ukraine appear to have barely shifted from their initial negotiation positions, with Moscow demanding huge concessions from Kyiv while calling their opponents “delusional” for not taking up the offer. The second attempt at face-to-face Russia-Ukraine talks on Monday ended much the same as the first, three weeks before, which concluded with little progress towards peace, but a prisoner-swap agreement was reached. The lead-up to this week’s talks had been dominated by speculation over what Russia’s demands would be, given that they had refused to publish them ahead of time, as Ukraine had done with theirs. (snip), it remains clear that peace talks appear to

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 6/4/2025 11:14:26 AM (No. 1959681)
Putin's position is certainly delusional. Calling for the handover of whole provinces that the Russians have been entirely unable to occupy after three years of bloody warfare? Ridiculous. Many other absolutely impossible or untenable terms. Putin has ZERO desire for peace, he want to continue the war. That has been obvious from the start. This "negotiation" is a fig leaf to cover his ongoing intent to press the war on forever.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Venturer 6/4/2025 11:22:09 AM (No. 1959692)
IMO neither side wants peace unless it is under their terms. So: Let them fight until there is no one left to fight. It's their choice. Stay the hell out of it.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: franco 6/4/2025 11:40:30 AM (No. 1959704)
Putin wants to continue the war because he has little to show so far for his "three day special military operation".. and he has also rejiggered the Russian economy onto a war footing that will positively collapse -- along with his rule -- should peace break out. However, the Russian economy is on a glide path to collapse, anyway, so this will happen either way... and after that, Putin will be deposed and there will be peace. Iron-clad sanctions -- which a lot of countries have evaded to put money into Russia's coffers through oil purchases -- would help, but the collapse in global oil prices means there will be no incentive to buy Russian oil soon, anyway. Either way, it's Putin whose time is short...
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bpl40 6/4/2025 11:57:11 AM (No. 1959713)
Like the Japanese showing up on the USS Missouri with a demand that the US Navy withdraw to Pearl Harbor.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Alecto2 6/4/2025 1:25:06 PM (No. 1959769)
Before the official sit-down, Umerov had a two-and-a-half-hour private meeting with Medinsky. I'm sure that Medinsky told him Ukraine should have taken the 2022 deal and each time they have successive meetings more of their land is lost. Why would VVP want a ceasefire when they are crucifying Ukrainian troops? Despite the CIA/Nato talking points that are handed out to the Amen chorus, Russia just wants the Russian speaking oblasts. Sure, as H**L they don't want west Ukraine. What a pain that would be. And they certainly don't want any of the degenerate EU. Their advance has been slow in the "suck them in, grind them up, spit them out" while conserving their own troops. But it's speeding up now as they face the increasingly old and infirm and you can tell by Nato's increasing desperate distraction techniques and propaganda.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kate318 6/4/2025 3:29:40 PM (No. 1959837)
It is the EU, NATO, and US neo-cons that don’t want peace. Too much money to be had. That fact is obvious to anyone who cares to look.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: franco 6/5/2025 1:08:04 AM (No. 1960023)
#5: Pal, only Russians (or Russian bots) refer to Putin with the moniker "VVP"... because most Anglo speakers don't even know that Putin's first and middle names are "Vladimir" and "Vladimirovich"... So Do svidanya, comrade. Please find another universe in which to do your dirty work. Your sources of information evidently already come from there...
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Reply 8 - Posted by: mifla 6/5/2025 5:51:19 AM (No. 1960046)
Putin has the upper hand and he knows it., especially since Trump (and most Americans) are tired of funding this war and propping up a corrupt government. He also knows that the EU rattles their small sabers quite a bit, but never takes them out of their scabbards. And finally, Putin seems to have a firm grip on his country, likely due to the fact that all his political opponents keep falling out of windows.
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