We Don't Need SCOTUS to Win
American Thinker,
by
James Arlandson
Original Article
Posted By: Magnante,
12/12/2020 4:41:03 AM
The Texas suit, later joined by other states, against Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Georgia, was a nice try, but it was always a long shot. (snip) Now, what happens when fraud and illegalities are so egregious that they help one candidate exclusively and harm only one candidate in such a way that it is unclear which electors shall be appointed? That definitely qualifies to become a "controversy or contest." The provision opens the door to each state legislature having the right to determine how the state can appoint electors ("appointment of electors" and "ascertainment of electors").
Reply 1 - Posted by:
KatieJo 12/12/2020 4:56:46 AM (No. 629592)
My heart is heavy this morning. I would sure like to believe this, but my confidence in the elected representatives of the states in question is not high--or in any states. It is possible, but I don't believe it is probable. The author is correct about one thing for sure. We need to put pressure on these states like they have never before experienced. I hope the patriot march in DC today sends a message to SCOTUS and everyone else. I don't even know why we have a Supreme Court anymore.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
The Remnants 12/12/2020 5:13:13 AM (No. 629599)
Heard an Australian man, on talk radio, so concerned about what was going on in our country. As he said, no other country has our Constitution or our Bill of Rights and our country is supposed to be the standard bearer for freedom and he was crushed to think that they mean nothing any more. There will always be some history books that tell the true story of what is going on now with this election.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 12/12/2020 5:55:12 AM (No. 629607)
We don't need a SCOTUS to win anymore. It's up to us now to win for ourselves. God, our Savior, did not hear our cries for Intervention. But, we must get up and keep trying.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
dman 12/12/2020 6:13:37 AM (No. 629612)
If the Justices don't want to get involved and take on their Constitutional responsibility - giving specious excuses with the Republic at the precipice: do we need a SCOTUS at all? At very least we need some serious reforms proposed by Mark Levin in his books Men in Black and The Liberty Amendments.
For now: W.A.S.S.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
5 handicap 12/12/2020 6:51:51 AM (No. 629617)
It has become abundantly clear that the oath to support and defend the Constitution is a useless exercise of an arcane notion that America was a Good place to live. Besides NO justice other than Thomas gives a damn. How'd they get to Barrett this soon?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 12/12/2020 6:55:51 AM (No. 629619)
You can probably drop the last two words of the headline. Why should we obey federal court decisions anyway?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
John C 12/12/2020 7:00:25 AM (No. 629620)
We are discouraged by the media mocking us about the SC's decision. The President may also get down and I encourage a note to him thanking him for the 4 years, and the fight for more.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 12/12/2020 7:13:19 AM (No. 629625)
We all learned yesterday that we don't have a Supreme Court of the US. What we have is a Supreme Court of Cowardice. Mark the day, December 11, 2020. We had 911 and now we've had 1211.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Daisymay 12/12/2020 7:14:40 AM (No. 629626)
I don't have any hopes that the Legislators, in any of the five states, will stand and do the Right thing. If they were going to do it, they would have done it in the first place. They are afraid. They have been threatened with their lives and their jobs. That said, I think they already know their careers are over. The voters in their states will see to it! This might be over for Trump, but it's far from over for those who betrayed him. We, the People, do have the power to wipe out each and every person involved in this Fraud. Starting with the Governors, Secretary of State and on down to the Legislators who didn't listen to the people they Represent! Watch for the Big Brooms! They are about to Clean House!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Mushroom 12/12/2020 7:28:14 AM (No. 629641)
God Bless you #9, but, no. We cannot count on the elected to do what they swore. Let us allow this to settle in. And begin the process of watering the tree of Liberty.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
LLAMA 12/12/2020 7:38:39 AM (No. 629649)
The Democrats have demonstrated that nationwide elections do not work; they are too big to control and are subject to fraud, manipulation, and influence from big money and outside influence The 12th amendment provides a fair, reasonable, and bulletproof method to elect Presidents - so let's make it the standard instead of the backup method. True federalism.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Rinktum 12/12/2020 7:48:42 AM (No. 629658)
I, too, have a heavy heart this morning. Last night I had to just turn off the TV and put the iPad down. The decision was too much to take in. Later in the evening, I tried to wrap my head around it but I could not do it. I just could not understand how the court decided there was no standing to file the Complaint. Then the question that kept coming back to me was, then who has standing? We were not told that or I must be too obtuse to understand.
How can men and women of integrity witness the voter fraud on video, listen to testimony of eyewitnesses, hear IT forensic personnel explain what happened, and then hear the testimony of expert statisticians explain what went on was statistically impossible and have no curiosity at all to determine if massive voter fraud was committed. Or did they determine either collectively or individually that they just would not step in regardless of the evidence and would use their ability to hide behind legalese to give zero credence to the Plaintiff’s arguments. Better to prevent hearing evidence than to hear it and then be forced to take action.
Right now, I am appalled by their cowardice. They knew if they took it up, they would give credence to the Plaintiff’s case and they did not want to be forced to hear their arguments on behalf of the American people. They chose to ignore the petition because they fear the mob more than they fear Republicans. Imagine if they had put the case on the docket for oral arguments. The mob would have destroyed property and threatened lives. This is tyranny, the very thing we have paid dearly with the blood of patriots to prevent. It now has a home in the democrat party. Now democrats and the media can start the narrative that the Supreme Court believes that the Texas lawsuit is so without merit that they will not even hear it. Therefore, any other lawsuits are also not worth their time. We get it. The deck is stacked.
My mind still struggles with the knowledge that the SCOTUS decided to ignore a petition that would have massive consequences for every single citizen of this country going forward. I can only believe that they did not want evidence presented before them that would expose the biggest crime in the history of this country. The one thing that has become crystal clear is that if you want men and women of integrity, conscience and fairness, you will not find it in the Washington DC elites. Men of valor, belief in God, and impeccable morals created this Republic and lesser men have now destroyed it.
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What is never mentioned in the media is the powers of the presidency when there is foreign interference and treason, an attempted takeover of our government by Communists, etc. In GA last week Trump said he would never surrender. That's my president. It reminded me of Churchill when things looked very bleak in the early days of WW II.
"We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
Conservatives should not be depressed today. There are things happening behind the scenes. This is far from over. The left wants us dispirited. Trump has beat them every time, including a landslide victory with the ENTIRE media lying about him every day, all day. He will never let Beijing Biden take over, Trump knows the truth. This will be epic. Worrying and whining is pointless.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
franq 12/12/2020 7:49:47 AM (No. 629660)
"The voters in their states will see to it..." Hello!!! McFly!!! What did the voters in their states "see to" in the current election? There are no voters any more.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Muguy 12/12/2020 7:56:46 AM (No. 629673)
Here is what is at issue as I see it--
States are sovereign to create their own election laws on how they vote and how they pick electors.
The PROBLEM is that law was ABROGATED by Governors or Secretaries of State.
Due to "Covid" ON THIER OWN "AUTHORITY" they DID NOT follow their own state laws on the books to allow for changes which were not lawful....
In addition, some states have irregularities in ALLOWING unverified votes due to lack of Voter ID, signature verification laws thrown out so unverified votes are counted, there are UNALLOWABLE "voters" voting such as those out of state or created votes from DEAD persons who should have been purged from the voter rolls, chain of custody issues with thumb drives and ballots, and the biggest one, voting machines that DO NOT tabulate votes correctly by weighting more voted for Biden than Trump when tests show that an equal number of test ballots do not accurately tally equally.
There is so much confusing about this and the NEWS MEDIA ans SOCIAL platforms have had a HUGE part in all of this. They have information on all of us and use it against us, and make no mistake, THEY will be coming after us to futher demoralize and discourage us from fighting back to make sure that the ILLEGAL or questionable votes are not counted, and that rules no longer matter.
We still have an Article V Convention of the States for We The People to take back our government from the tyrants, but there are those who jump on that possibility with claims it will be a "runaway convention".
The citizens of the States could demand that their state election laws be enforced-- in the future, a way to verify ballots so no others could be introduced could be formulated and used, and the "Logic & Analytics" testing of voting machines with KNOWN results to show problems could be made mandatory like it is in Texas.
The "cows are out of the barn" right now, but that does not mean that its over and we have to roll over and accept our own slaughter, but it is CLEAR that there are no longer Three Separate Branches of Government, and we no longer have Equal Justice under the Law.
It's up to us!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 12/12/2020 7:59:45 AM (No. 629677)
Of more concern to the fraud, John Roberts, we can't depend on a SCOTUS at all.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Crusty_Rusty 12/12/2020 8:14:53 AM (No. 629690)
If this continues to go Sideways, it'll be 1776 combined with 1862 all over again......
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Venturer 12/12/2020 8:25:10 AM (No. 629696)
The only part of this that makes it sustainable to me is that those who voted for Joe and the Ho will be subject to the same bad decisions as myself.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
justjoe1237 12/12/2020 8:28:06 AM (No. 629698)
Forget Roberts, his Obamacare ruling showed very clearly that he is owned. But what about Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett? We had such great hopes for them, especially Barrett. It's shameful that they are fine with seeing an election rigged and stolen as if the USA is a banana republic. Nothing to see here. Next! This should have been a 5-4 finding. But only Alito and Thomas stepped up.
Our belief and trust in the rule of law has been devastated over the past four years. "Rule of law" is a bitter joke. Not a worse thing can ever happen to any nation. The rotten foundation has crumbled. What happens to the whole structure?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
udanja99 12/12/2020 8:29:14 AM (No. 629700)
I was hopeful up until last night when the news broke. I’m almost at the point of despair this morning because I’ve lived in a “socialist” country - the Socialist Republic of Romania - when the Ceausescus were in power. I’m old so my despair is not for myself but for my daughter and her family.
The idiots who voted and cheated for Fingers have no idea what is coming their way. If they think that supermarket stores are not well stocked now due to covid, they will be shocked when those same stores are empty and stay that way. They will be shocked when the government tells them where they may live and what job they may slave at. They will be shocked when the internet is completely controlled by Washington. They will be shocked when their technology and their cars are taken from them. And their homes. They will be shocked when their friends are rounded up. And finally they will be shocked when they themselves are rounded up.
Neither do the elites who think they are safe. In any dictatorship in history, the first thing to happen was a purge of its own players.
It’s like the woman who steals another woman’s husband and is then shocked when he cheats on her too. In this case, the dictator purges because he knows that he can’t trust the people who cheated FOR him. If they cheated for him, they can certainly cheat for someone else against him. That includes the media. The crocodile may not eat all of them first but it will definitely eat them later.
When I lived in Romania, Reagan was president and I could never imagine anything remotely like this happening in America. Thirty-five years later and here we are.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
andyboy 12/12/2020 8:29:41 AM (No. 629701)
Trump and his team have not given up, and neither have I, and neither should you. There are other cases with the same Constitutional issue making their way to the Supreme Court, and the plaintiffs in those cases have standing. Let's see if the Supreme Court wants to try using technical arguments to duck those cases too. They might, our of fear -- but if you really want to experience fear, try closing the lid on 70 million mostly-armed citizens who see their freedom being taken away.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
justjoe1237 12/12/2020 9:00:47 AM (No. 629718)
Sorry for a second post, but #20, your post should be read by every American.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
anniebc 12/12/2020 9:20:49 AM (No. 629739)
What we need from the article:
1. First, we can keep up the pressure on the legislators of those five GOP states to select electors who will vote for the rightful winner
2. Second, Sidney Powell's legal team can continue with their lawsuits, so they can expose and uproot Dominion Voting Systems. ...the goal - to get rid of the flawed, rigged system.
3. Third, we must counter the left-wing pressure, including their threats of violence, that will be thrust on these little known state politicians.
Number one is discouraging because of number three. I can see getting the legislatures protection for them and their families; they're pretty good at looking out for themselves in that regard. The people with affidavits, not so much. But, if legislatures can be so persuaded to do the wrong thing because of violence, does that mean our side needs to threaten them, not with voting them out of office, but with violence like the left? It just doesn't make sense. If the SCOTUS declined to hear the Texas case because of violence in the streets, the concern over violence is not their job. Their job is to interpret the Constitution. President Trump, governors, mayors, etc., and the American people can take care of the violence. If elected officials are this chickenpoop, we need better options than the author gives us.
The electeds see this fraud just like we see it. Why do we allow them to act like they just woke up today and don't have a clue what to do or a brain to figure out how to make this right? They have to know everything we say will happen if biden is able to get away with stealing this. They have to know how hard it will be for them and US if he does to get things right down the road. If they don't or won't see it as we see it, they are obviously not with US.
I haven't given up, and I haven't lost hope. My hope can't be in our institutions any more, though. My only hope is in God now; and that's the best place to be and where I should have been all along. I encourage those who know to get back there too.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
rushie 12/12/2020 9:31:34 AM (No. 629746)
Nebraska Okla v Colorado 2014 marijuana damage: Chose not to hear the case. Justice Thomas, Justice Alito dissented there too. Scalia with the majority. So they didn’t deny Texas on merit, just process. Maybe there is still hope. I’m not giving up yet.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Bassman1911 12/12/2020 9:40:45 AM (No. 629759)
Yes #3, Seems like God has been AWOL for a while. He didn’t hear the cries of six million Jews either.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Strike3 12/12/2020 9:42:52 AM (No. 629763)
It looks like the only way to get what you want in this country is to riot and burn. I hope the democrats realize what they have unleashed.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
starboard 12/12/2020 10:00:02 AM (No. 629786)
Like many of you this morning, my heart is heavy for our country. I can't remember ever a time in my life when I felt this way. However, I'm still an optimist (though it's hard) and trying to look at the bigger picture. I believe it's not over yet. The fact that all this is being discovered and revealed because of this stolen election is the bigger picture, which is to expose the corruption and mal-intent of the Democrat party, their media partners and donors. Yes, it's not over by a long shot and it's not over for Trump. He's become our Sir Winston. He's committed to fight on and so will we.
Today, in Washington people will be out in droves. Expect to hear from some courageous average Americans say some incredible things. Yesterday, I heard someone say they were flying in from Dallas for this event and the whole plane was filled with Trump supporters. This is our moment to stand up and be strong, to unite and take control of our country. This was bound to happen and we will eventually be stronger for it IF we never give up and never give in.
Keep the faith. America will survive this and so will President Trump.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Golden Goose 12/12/2020 10:01:08 AM (No. 629787)
Powerful words, #20. America was and is a beacon of freedom to the world. It was founded by brave men and women under the inspiration and protecting hand of God. He has preserved our nation for centuries now, against all odds. And we’ve witnessed miracles, big and small, even in the last four years. Peace is breaking out all over the Middle East. Serious threats from all over the globe have been eliminated or neutralized. And we can see there are huge numbers of freedom-loving, God-fearing patriots who populate every state in the nation. He is not going to abandon us now. Just watch what happens between now and January 20th. We have a very bright future ahead of us. I am excited for the day when you can all see it.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
BillW. 12/12/2020 10:12:40 AM (No. 629798)
I hope this makes your days as much as it did mine.
Leigh Dundas - Executive order for election interference - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2MkvWh7poY
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
HisHandmaiden 12/12/2020 10:18:13 AM (No. 629803)
Those of us who remember SCOTUS giving Zero two “Oaths of office” remember they refused to stand up for Justice and Truth then, when Nancy removed the phrase “and is duly qualified” from her letter to Supremes.
Nothing new under the sun.
Trust the Good Lord to continue to guide America...
2 Chron 7:14...
KAG
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
stablemoney 12/12/2020 10:21:34 AM (No. 629807)
So the SC is unwilling to voice an opinion on the theft of the highest office in the country? Fraud and constitutionality are no longer a concern of the SC? I suppose the SC will move on to more important things like marijuana legalization, which they will endorse, including the Trump appointees. Not reparations though. They will absent themselves from that.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna 12/12/2020 10:29:54 AM (No. 629811)
First time I have ever, in 20 years, come to this site and felt it would be disgraceful to attempt to write anything clever or witty. I'm heartbroke and butthurt and way pizzed off. The riots helped contribute to Trumps landslide win and yet they also were a foreshadowing of the criminality to follow. It's a nightmare when sweet and peaceful law abiding patriots are forced to the realization that their peaceful options are very nearly exhausted. I won't fire the first shot but I would dearly love to show the Left how a proper riot is executed.
-----"Cry havoc and loose the dogs of war !"
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IF we are going to stay with law and order in this country, Sidney Powell is our only hope. I sent $1,000 to her. If she cannot prevail, the socialists will redistribute all of our cash anyway (including 401ks), so I would rather she have it. I also volunteered to help if she has any use for a retired CPA.
Consider sending money so that she can hire all the help she needs!
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Kafka2 12/12/2020 10:47:28 AM (No. 629828)
It is true that we can not prove that there was massive fraud in the mail-in and harvest ballots that were counted in these states, because most or all of the safeguards to filter out invalid and fraudulent ballots were removed or ignored.
But, for the very same reason, there is no proof that any of these mail-in or harvested ballots is a legal ballot. The only ballots where there is any proof that the ballots were legal are where the voters voted in person. If those who voted in person had to prove that their ballots were cast by a person legally entitled to do so to be counted, then all ballots should be required to meet this standard to be counted. Applying a double standard is discriminatory.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
columba 12/12/2020 10:57:32 AM (No. 629836)
A nation that has legalized the murder of unborn children and has welcomed homosexual perversion CAN NOT survive. We need to address the root of the problem.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
MDConservative 12/12/2020 11:01:43 AM (No. 629841)
This article is an hallucination. None of the legislatures has done a damned thing. They won't begin tomorrow. They won't next week. Most hide behind the "not in session" excuse, that the governor needs to call us back. I would suggest not for fulfilling a US Constitutional duty. Both chambers could assemble under their own authority in their respective state capitols to pass a resolution...but they don't and won't. SCOTUS, like all other courts, state and Federal, will have nothing to do with this travesty. And it's not hard to figure why...extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And that proof, for a court of law, isn't there. Who's been arraigned/indicted for any act? Not the five in Atlanta, for example, apparently caught on camera running votes through counting machines multiple times. And that's compounded by the apparent support for them from the REPUBLICAN governor and secretary of state, who my guess says are up to their necks in some sort of procurement fraud with voting machines.
The UNIPARTY/Deep State wanted PDT gone...and on January 20th he will be gone. Let the profiteering resume!
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Kafka2 12/12/2020 11:19:02 AM (No. 629859)
I fear that the Supreme Court’s refusal to consider the obvious violations of the U.S. Constitution that took place in this election has ruled out resolving this situation peacefully. Their inaction may have precipitated a civil war.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
DVC 12/12/2020 11:51:28 AM (No. 629885)
Too many of our elected folks are spineless and 'get along, go along' types, and the rest are pretty much all corrupt, looking to make personal wealth via elected office. Not much chance that they will want to rock the boat, I judge.
We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo was right.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Rinktum 12/12/2020 12:51:39 PM (No. 629936)
#13, Trump did NOT lose. He lost nothing, but every democrat in this country has lost every ounce of integrity they ever had if something like that exists in the mind of a democrat. Also in the losing department is the despicable Rino never Trumpers. Give no quarter to anyone who says that this President lost this election.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
Rinktum 12/12/2020 12:52:51 PM (No. 629938)
I apologize #13. I meant Comment #37!
Ugh. I need to get off here until my nerves have settled down.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
curious1 12/12/2020 1:15:25 PM (No. 629950)
Chill folks. President Trump hasn't conceded yet.
By my calendar, next Friday is 45 days after the election. Watch poster #29's link to see what the ODNI is supposed to do 45 days after the election per the EO signed by President Trump on Sept 12, 2018.
If President Trump concedes or ObiteMe does wind up entering the WH, then start planning what we're going to do to the DS and all its supporters.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Rabbiter 12/12/2020 1:32:12 PM (No. 629957)
I am feeling a bit better after last night's punch-in-the-gut decision that I was so sure was going to rule in our favor. Knowing Rudy and Sydney have not given up the fight, the more convinced I am that neither can we! If prayer is our only tool, then let us pray every hour, every day that God will provide a way.
As for SCOTUS, methinks they peeked under their blindfolds and placed their collective thumb on the scale of justice in THEIR favor. Why? Either personal threats or threats to destroy cities across the country.
Either way, they punked out and refused to do the job WE are paying them to do.
May God bless President Trump, Rudy, Sidney and his entire legal team.
God bless our wonderful country and keep her away from socialist/communist traitors.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
HRJUNIOR 12/12/2020 1:49:19 PM (No. 629969)
GOD is still in charge. HE says President Trump gets two terms PERIOD!
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 12/12/2020 3:27:42 PM (No. 630039)
#29, interesting. Let's see if anything becomes of it.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
HisHandmaiden 12/12/2020 3:56:22 PM (No. 630062)
#29, 43, 45, et al... exactly why SecDef fired at just the right time, Frankfort servers removed to here, and POTUS did not push for Comey, et al to be prosecuted [yet], entire Swamp was promised to be drained...
God is still sovereign.
As 4-y-o Grandblessing says, ‘Stay turned...’
KAG
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
weejun 12/12/2020 5:16:39 PM (No. 630088)
Just like lawyers: we won't judge the merits of the harm alleged here because you didn't follow the rules! How in the hell do these people look themselves in the mirror when they get up?
FBI, CIA, DOJ, Congress, Democrats, Judiciary, media, education system, corporations, big tech: no respect for ANY of these entities. The piper WILL be paid when these outfits wreck the best deal on the planet and Mother China rules the world.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 12/12/2020 5:49:03 PM (No. 630114)
The question each liberal puke asks as they look themselves in the mirror is, ''How'my gonna fool them today?
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