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The CDC director has doubled down on
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Posted By: DVC, 9/18/2020 2:57:47 AM

The CDC has had more prominence this year than usual, thanks to the Wuhan virus. However, when America looked to it for help, it wasn't ready, whether with tests or useful advice. Its lack of preparedness might have been because the CDC's been expending its time and your money training its people in Critical Race Theory (CRT) rather than disease control. And while I'm currently agnostic about a vaccination's efficacy (I need a lot more information), I'm also suspicious when the CDC's director, Dr. Robert Redfield, announces that his surgical mask is what will save him and what will save all of us.

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I did some engineering design work for industrial filters many years ago, so I got a bit of an education on the topic of filters.
The ordinary cloth masks are a joke for stopping a virus. Perhaps they can stop a sneeze or cough, the flying large droplets, somewhat. But tiny droplets of ordinary breathing? Not a chance.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 9/18/2020 3:08:09 AM (No. 544211)
A simple mental model of filtration. Imagine a two lane highway tunnel. This represents the pores (holes/tunnels) through the mask material. There are millions of them side by side. Now, imagine dumping out a large pillow full of down feathers in a hurricane blowing towards and thru the tunnels. The down feathers are the virus particles. How many of these down feathers do you think will not be able to get through the two lane highway tunnels? Yeah, pretty much all of them make it through. Perhaps a few will get caught on the edge of the hillside besied the tunnel, but any that line up with the tunnel blow right on through. Why? Because they are WAY smaller than these "pores". Another analogy is that a cloth mask is like putting up a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes.....except that the viruses are actually WAY smaller than mosquitoes, if you work out the sizes. A real N95 mask, properly fitted so as to minimize leakage, the kind with two separate bands, can stop a lot more tiny particles, because they are thick and the pores don't go straight through, they wind around back and forth, so they may trap a good percentage of small viruses. But they don't trap them all, even these hard to find, rarely used by ordinary folks, N95 masks. I use an N95 mask when I am forced to use a mask. I figure if I am going to be forced to buckle under, I should use my brain to make sure that the mask I use is actually capable of doing SOMETHING. The blue surgical masks and the ordinary cloth single layer masks are a total joke. Pointless beyond perhaps capturing some larger spittle droplets from a sneeze or cough.....so maybe that isn't entirely pointless, but darned close. Ordinary breathing with virus particles - they go right through.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Strike3 9/18/2020 3:12:02 AM (No. 544213)
Judging by the number of people now going without masks (the majority) most people are going maskless because it's just plain silly. Wear it into a restaurant door until you are seated and then spend the next hour inside without it. Go into a post office for 30 seconds to check your box. Wear it on the sidewalk. The biggest tipoff that it is merely government manipulation was exempting hundreds of rioters. The only effective practice is the social distancing, all the rest is government fear inducement to maintain the shutdowns.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DCGIRL 9/18/2020 6:09:34 AM (No. 544262)
Something is going here. This clown should have been removed and sent packing years ago.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rinktum 9/18/2020 6:17:00 AM (No. 544270)
I find it very difficult to wear a mask and do so as little as possible. Do the numbers even warrant mask wearing in most establishments? Will the mask mandate be lifted or will Americans just stop wearing them? If some people are any indication, they will wear them anyway. Some people are so programmed by the media to do whatever they say. It is shocking how quickly we have submitted to the edicts of people who have ZERO data to support the mask mandate. Of course, they have businesses over a barrel. They tell them to enforce the mandate or get your license pulled. How convenient for our oppressive overseers. I am ready to go maskless and would but I want to support our local small businesses. See how they did that? They force the business to require masks.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: GO3 9/18/2020 6:37:18 AM (No. 544285)
Simple protocol that even governors can understand: If your schools are playing football, then masks should come off for everyone.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 9/18/2020 6:38:32 AM (No. 544287)
These days, I tend to view mask wearing as subservience.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: gop_guys 9/18/2020 8:30:12 AM (No. 544408)
Yes 6. It’s also de-humanizing. Burkas come to mind. I walk in the local market and smell the fish department. I then think this is going to filter a virus a virus ranging in size from 50-200 nanometers? The thickness of a sheet of paper is around 100,000 nanometers. For 37 years the CDC stated masks do not pr3vent virus infection. It’s not about health, but control.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: preciosodrogas 9/18/2020 8:32:02 AM (No. 544410)
As an aside, I wonder what effect masks will impact the flu, sense we are getting to that season.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: MickTurn 9/18/2020 8:38:35 AM (No. 544421)
No Problem, Put a Mask on him and make him spend a week non stop in a China Virus Ward in a hospital...No gloves, no protective clothing, Nothing but a Mask on his Mug...Let's see how that works out for the CDC DNC SHILL!
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Reply 10 - Posted by: mean Gene 9/18/2020 8:42:00 AM (No. 544427)
What happened to the common knowledge that all these non-N95 masks could do was protect other people from the mask wearer? How did it reverse? These masks can't protect the wearer from infected people who breathe on them. I thought we once knew this.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: gobushcheneygo 9/18/2020 9:35:37 AM (No. 544480)
FTA, "...a chemist who has worked in the filtration industry. He's helped develop masks used in medical and industrial settings. He also holds patents on several filters. As he says, "I know a little bit about filters." That's why he believes that masks of the type Redfield is waiving around are useless: Surgical masks will not prevent the wearer from inhaling or exhaling viruses or bacteria. They provide absolutely no protection for either the wearer or anyone nearby. They create a very dangerous false sense of security for everyone. They also force the wearer to rebreathe carbon dioxide, which will, over time, reduce the wearer's blood oxygen level. That can become very dangerous, especially for older people. This farce is being promoted by sleazy politicians who believe that if they can convince people that they are protecting them or creating a safe environment for them by pushing this mask farce, those people will re-elect them. All politicians pushing this dangerous mask farce should be voted out of office as soon as possible." I wish the sheeple would wake up, including my employer. But they must be cowed by the governor to ignore the truth about masks. Now this CDC scoundrel (probably DNC supporter) is spouting lies before a Congressional committee. And he gets away with it.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Strike3 9/18/2020 10:58:15 AM (No. 544595)
Good argument with relevant facts, #7. So if everyone wore a mask made from condensed paper woven tight enough to stop the virus then we would all be walking around like the late George Floyd screaming - I CAN'T BREATHE - right before we suffocated. Nothing but a self-contained oxygenated suited is truly effective, is that about it?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Skeptical1 9/18/2020 11:26:15 AM (No. 544621)
Interesting to see, via the link, what Redfield actually said. He started out OK, for a public health guy, given that the conventional wisdom in his field is that masks are useful for "source control". Keep in mind that masks are ubiquitous in countries all over the world, including the ones like Taiwan that have been most successful. (Not every country, of course. Time will tell if Sweden got it right.) I don't blame the guy for not wanting be a maverick. But he lost me when he claimed "clear scientific evidence" without citation, just hand-waving. This was a hearing, after all, not a public service message. I try to have an open mind on masks, and I have not found anything like clear evidence on this subject. Then he really lost me when he went off on how his mask protects him, personally, so it seemed. Is this the latest revision to the narrative, or just an old guy getting carried away? Scott Adams asked, in his deadpan way, if, after Covid, anyone still trusts authority. This is what he was talking about.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: XCenturion 9/19/2020 3:06:20 AM (No. 545285)
Where does the government find people like Robert Redfield? Here's my hypothesis on the protection cloth masks offer. If you can smell gas emitted from the ass through a pair of pants, how can you expect a cloth mask to impede a COVID-19 molecule? Think about it.
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