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An old Indian trick

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Posted By: DVC, 8/24/2020 1:46:22 PM

As wise stewards of the land, North America's Indians routinely started forest fires. They wanted grazing grounds for the animals they hunted and open spaces to live and hunt on. So before Columbus arrived, there was a lot less forested land than we have today. The Europeans put an end to the Indian fires, and for centuries, they harvested the forests for timber. But that has ended in many parts of the country, California in particular. After the 1906 earthquake, San Francisco was rebuilt using lumber from the Santa Cruz forest, just south of the city. But I don't believe it's been harvested since.


Yes, this is well known among those who are not lunatic eco-freaks.
There was a report yesterday that an agreement had been reached between Cali state folks and the feds on thinning forests, which should help a lot.
Did they check this out with Fauxcahantas? She's was on the DNC Native American group, you know.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 8/24/2020 1:48:55 PM (No. 519546)
Here is the link to the article on the agreement between California and the feds on thinning forests. A million acres a year will be thinned, and fire breaks created. Some beginnings of sanity in California forest management? How cool is that? Of course, the econazis may have a crazy referendum next year to never cut another tree or something equally brilliant. With California, you can never tell.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Digiconver 8/24/2020 2:00:55 PM (No. 519558)
The tragedy of California: Fires, earthquakes and Democrats.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: curious1 8/24/2020 2:08:41 PM (No. 519565)
If they'd bring back logging that would be a win-win. But leftards are always searching for lose-lose propositions.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DVC 8/24/2020 2:22:40 PM (No. 519575)
#3, the article linked in #1, says: "Under the plan, California agencies and the U.S. Forest Service will use brush clearing, logging and prescribed fires to thin out 1 million acres a year by 2025 — an area larger than Yosemite National Park every 12 months, and roughly double the current rate of thinning, which already is double rates from a few years ago. Note that logging is part of the program. Further down they say that at about 1900 a California forest had about 40 trees per acre. Now it averages 400 trees per acre....that is huge. So to get back, 90% of the trees have to be removed, pretty simple math. THAT requires logging.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: sanspeur 8/24/2020 2:30:36 PM (No. 519587)
you know nature will not be denied .There are conifers the cones of which ONLY release their pinolies if burned away
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 8/24/2020 2:32:53 PM (No. 519588)
More from the article on the new plan for California forests. "Stephens, the UC fire scientist, estimates that before the Gold Rush, roughly 4.5 million acres a year in California burned. By the 1950s and 1960s, that was down to about 250,000 acres a year. In recent years, it has approached 2 million acres a year." So in the 1840s, the land burned frequently, probably with very little harm. Cali has about 100 million acres, so about 4% burned per year in the 1840s. By the '50s and 60s, essentially nothing was burning 1/4 of 1% per year. Now 2% per year.....but in catastrophic, deadly and destructive fires not small understory clearing fires.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: RuckusTom 8/24/2020 2:53:04 PM (No. 519606)
Bu bu but ... the spotted owl. THE SPOTTED OWL !!!!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 8/24/2020 3:34:33 PM (No. 519643)
Apparently, #7, they had spotted owls in the 1840s. I suspect that the Indians found them tasty when cooked right, too.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: worried 8/24/2020 3:38:11 PM (No. 519646)
Yes, #8, they taste a lot like bald eagle.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Catherine 8/24/2020 3:42:49 PM (No. 519650)
Clinton did a lot of this. He mandated no clearings around homes more than a few feet. He stopped people wandering around gathering wood or other things that naturally cleared lots of underbrush. Yeah, I'm vague but I'm sure you get the meaning. A couple of years ago, an entire neighborhood in California burned, except for one house. They asked why his house was spared. He said he cleared twice as many feet of brush from his house as was legal.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 8/24/2020 3:47:14 PM (No. 519653)
Oh! Horror or HORRORS! The journalist used the word "Indian/s" in the headline AND in the article. For that, Mr. Pettyjohn should be stripped naked, covered in tofu, and staked out on the busiest block of a Dem city!!! How UN-PC can you get? So what was this article about (and if you're a lefty) who cares anyway?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: or gate 8/24/2020 4:43:12 PM (No. 519694)
They don't need to thin the forests they need to clean up the debris (Duff) left on the forest floor and old dead snags near power lines. I saw on TV last night a firefighter was just standing there watching the fire.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: web 8/24/2020 5:10:46 PM (No. 519707)
All I know is that I'm sick of all the eco-freaks who are so concerned about "the environment" who won't let us clear and log our forests, resulting in massive forest fires and smoke throughout the West every year. So much for clean air. The smoke from the California fires has spread over most of the western half of the country, and I can barely breath when I go outside. They want to turn the entire country in to a museum, where we can go and gaze at the "pristine views." We need to use the resources that God has given us. Use to be that we could actually live in those forests and log, mine, hunt and enjoy the outdoors.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Folsomguy 8/24/2020 5:26:47 PM (No. 519721)
When I first moved to Folsom 35+ years ago, we'd see lumber trucks by the dozen everyday. But that was the beginning of the end. It wasn't much later that they disappeared. There has been absolutely NO management of the land since then. Now people wonder why we're having so many fires...duh. How come people before, we ever settled here, knew how to mange the land but we don't even listen. I guess it's like Socialism/communism; people don't think history will replete itself.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: red1066 8/24/2020 5:34:47 PM (No. 519730)
Remember the huge forest fires in Yellowstone? They were started as I remember by lightning, but got completely out of control because of decades of doing nothing to control under bush and the growth of the forests. It got so bad, it almost burned down the Yellowstone lodge by Old Faithful.
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