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California Police, Amazon Ring
Partnerships Raise Concerns

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Posted By: poster, 7/7/2020 12:17:51 PM

As nationwide protests force a deep examination of police tactics and funding, technology companies say they are re-evaluating their relationship with law enforcement as well. Amazon has halted police use of its facial recognition technology for one year and the website Nextdoor has stopped forwarding tips to police. Now, privacy groups and activists are scrutinizing the relationships between Amazon and local police departments that allow law enforcement to request access to video recordings from doorbell cameras installed in private homes. Amazon’s expanding network of law enforcement “partners” for its Neighbors app remains intact, an arrangement that critics say is designed to boost sales

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Reply 1 - Posted by: MDConservative 7/7/2020 12:42:43 PM (No. 470078)
Now we turn your doorbell into a surveillance camera to add to those hanging all over the place. As we should have learned from the FBI and its "Crossfire Hurricane" and other shenanigans, law enforcement is not beyond reproach. It will abuse whatever power is given it on occasion. It is held in check by such things as the necessity to obtain warrants from a court (that hopefully pays attention to the request). No company has the unfettered right to hand over video obtained from my account without my express permission. Otherwise it's 1984 and someone potentially watching. (How many here put tape or other over their PC camera lens?)
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Reply 2 - Posted by: voxpopuli 7/7/2020 12:42:48 PM (No. 470079)
from the Sac B(olsheviks)
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Reply 3 - Posted by: hershey 7/7/2020 12:52:50 PM (No. 470098)
It's just plain stupid to hook up your house to the 'net'...doorbells, thermostats, stoves, cameras, refrigerators (for God's sake), and especially Alexa...all in the name of convenience....sorry but I'm a 1G guy living in a 5G world and I'll have none of it... It's going to be as bad as the U.K..they have MORE CCTV cameras than any place else...even ANRS (automatic number registration system) that checks your license plate number...
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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird 7/7/2020 1:00:05 PM (No. 470113)
A growing number of organizations argue that these crimes do not justify surveillance that blurs the line between corporate and government surveillance and reveals personal information about people’s lives, especially people who do not own the devices or consent to being recorded by their neighbors. This is who the SJWs writing this stuff are trying to protect. Why does anyone have to worry about racial profiling if they are not grabbing packages off your front porch? In our community, the PD simply offers them for sale at a discount. Those who are not criminals do not worry about this stuff.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: seamusm 7/7/2020 1:01:39 PM (No. 470117)
Triple ditto plus, #1.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: wilarrbie 7/7/2020 1:01:46 PM (No. 470118)
Whether effective or not at deterring crime - it's still pretty new at this - they at least might provide EVIDENCE. (I realize how one might complain that makes it racist.) And if you don't want police involved - why have them?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: planetgeo 7/7/2020 1:10:52 PM (No. 470129)
Looks like I'm the designated person to give the (somewhat) opposing view on home security cameras and doorbell cameras. I say somewhat because I do agree that the police should NOT have access to such videos from private property without the express approval of the property owner or a legally authorized warrant based on sufficient probable cause. But based on personal experience, I believe these devices can and will be major deterrents to home crimes of all types and will finally provide sufficient evidence in a court of law to convict repeat criminals who prey on homewowners. There are two specific aspects of these devices that make them a criminal's nightmare. First, their video resolution is exceptionally good. Unlike typical commercial CCTV videos that are so grainy you can barely make out any significant features of the perpetrator, many of these cameras capture in near HD quality. You can make out just about every zit and tattoo on these perps to make positive ID a reality, as opposed to a wild guess. And second, the software on some of these (I have a Ring device) allows neighbors to voluntarily share videos and narrative descriptions of events that include an approximate neighborhood map showing where they occur. It represents a "fair warning" alert to your neighborhoods on typical crimes that victimize just about everyone these days (gift delivery thefts, garage breakins, petty vandalism, etc. Yes, under the explicit controls I described, I personally want and approve of such devices because I've already seen their positive effects in making our neighborhood safer. In effect, a real "neighborhood watch" that is 24x7 and really works.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Ribicon 7/7/2020 1:16:32 PM (No. 470136)
Under the pretext of protecting us from criminals, who are caught and immediately set free, we're all under constant surveillance wherever we go, even just walking down the street. But at least we still have our Constitution. USA, USA!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 7/7/2020 1:22:26 PM (No. 470145)
I'd like facial rec to be used to ID the criminal antifa thugs.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Strike3 7/7/2020 1:30:24 PM (No. 470162)
I dropped my Ring protection a month after I installed the thing when I realized the complete loss of privacy that it enabled. All of your movements as well as that of all of your visitors goes to the cloud. No thank you.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: earlybird 7/7/2020 2:11:38 PM (No. 470211)
Although the article says that the PD "asks for the video" (it is not hooked up to them all the time), if the owner preferred not to give it to them, I believe they would have to get a warrant (involving a demonstration of probable cause) to get the warrant. We don’t have one, but two of our children have them.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: thewarden 7/7/2020 6:15:49 PM (No. 470475)
Thank you, #7! Exactly. Technology can be great. Just be smart, investigate before you buy and keep your software and firewall up to date. We love our 2 Ring devices. To each his own...
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