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Posted By: earlybird, 6/15/2020 12:58:31 PM

The world has united in protest after a graphic video emerged showing a Black man dying under the restraint of a White police officer. (Snip)The video is unquestionably horrific. But in our rush to condemn an aggressive use of force and pursue justice for George Floyd, we have ignored crucial information which is necessary in judging the conduct of the officers.(Snip)There are six crucial pieces of information — six facts — that have been largely omitted from discussion on the Chauvin’s conduct. Taken together, they likely exonerate the officer of a murder charge. Rather than indicating illegal and excessive force, they instead show an officer who rigidly followed the procedures deemed

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A very important read. David lists six facts and then fills them out with factual details. Recommend.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: rockeysroomie 6/15/2020 1:12:28 PM (No. 445378)
Well duh!
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Zarin 6/15/2020 1:22:04 PM (No. 445384)
At worse negligence to note that Mr. Floyd was going unconscious?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Lazyman 6/15/2020 1:22:49 PM (No. 445386)
You're not really believing this guy has any chance of a fair trial?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bighambone 6/15/2020 1:33:40 PM (No. 445399)
You have to wonder what Derek Chauvin was thinking during the about nine minutes that he was out in the open being videoed and yelled at by people on the street, as he had his knee on George Floyd’s neck, pinning Floyd to the pavement? I would say it would be that he either thought that he was following routine and prescribed procedures for restraining a noncompliant suspect obviously under the influence of illicit drugs; or was nuts, take your pick, as it is hard to believe that he intended to murder and murdered Floyd in plain sight of the world. I guess the Minnesota criminal justice system will give us the answer. While some are making that incident a political issue, you have to remember that the Minneapolis Police Department has been run by local liberal Democrat politicians and their appointed police administrators for about the last fifty years, and has a Black Police Chief. You have to ask why did those politicians and administrators continue to allow such neck restraints, and what they now claim are rogue police officers to remain on their police force? Those politicians are now blaming the police public employees union for defending supposed rogue officers and keeping them from being fired. But it was those liberal Democrat politicians who have historically supported those unions and who voluntarily entered into contracts and labor agreements with those unions.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: klezmer 6/15/2020 1:34:19 PM (No. 445400)
If you think the riots are bad now...
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Reply 6 - Posted by: G Mo 6/15/2020 1:37:21 PM (No. 445402)
That writer is a real journalist.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 6/15/2020 1:37:46 PM (No. 445403)
Well why bother with a trial? Everybody with a monitor saw the video! (Of course, we haven't seen ALL the video). And a FAMOUS DOCTOR gave a virtual post-mortem that unequivocally stated "the VIDEO SHOWS the cause of death". (Of course, he didn;t actually examine the body). It is impossible for me to believe that a cop would purposefully cause the death of a suspect in custody in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses filming away with their smart phones. He may have well contributed to the poor man's death but until a trial with expert testimony are corroborating witnesses say otherwise, he is presumed innocent,
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Reply 8 - Posted by: YorkieMom 6/15/2020 1:39:58 PM (No. 445406)
Very informative. Thanks for posting this. As for Baden and the NYT, I wouldn’t believe anything they say or write. It’s always follow the money with Baden.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: ZeldaFitzg 6/15/2020 1:45:13 PM (No. 445415)
More complicated than even I had imagined. Thanks for posting----and no, Chauvin cannot hope for a fair trial without more burning cities.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: lakerman1 6/15/2020 1:47:55 PM (No. 445417)
There is no reason for the Minnihaha police department to keep the videos away from the public. the argument made in favor of the expense of the bodycams is that the public has a right to see how police officers are doing their jobs. actually, the reason is most likely that it would damage the government's case against the police officers, because it would show how out of control and violent Floyd was. If the author is correct in his analysis, the only fair verdict for the officers is acquittal.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: aasilver 6/15/2020 1:54:24 PM (No. 445423)
When I saw the 1st video I wanted to wait until more information came out. Ever since I saw the second video of 3 officers restraining Floyd, I thought that the best BLM could expect is a manslaughter conviction with minimal sentence. It is a nasty video but the 2nd video presents a very different story.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/15/2020 2:17:38 PM (No. 445435)
The officers did nothing wrong. Followed department procedures. Floyd resisted arrest twice, which is why he was restrained. No officer has the luxury of days of analysis of Floyd, merely responding to a call from the public for help, and they are not medical doctors, It is disgusting the way people have jumped to conclusions, both from the right and the left, without waiting for all the facts to come in on this case. And it is inexcusable, because we have seen situations over and over where facts have come in that overturn initial responses of the public, which are mostly hysteria drummed up and incited by the media that have an agenda. It should have been very suspect here, as the media definitely has an agenda here, and have inflamed the public into riots and arson---again. The media should be indicted on RICO charges for all the destruction they have drummed up. Days and weeks of incitement.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: earlybird 6/15/2020 2:25:27 PM (No. 445438)
It is always interesting to see who read the article and who didn’t. It shows in the Replies. A long article, and quite detailed. Not for the drivebys...
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All 6/15/2020 2:33:48 PM (No. 445445)
Doesn't matter what he did, justified or not, legal or not. If he is not convicted of SOMETHING, the cities will burn again, so his conviction is a foregone conclusion. What the powers that be may not know is that if he is not convicted of murder, there will still be more violence. If the races had been reversed, this would be a short lived local news item as the family of the deceased protested what appears to be unwarranted force. But the whole episode has been hijacked by those who's aim is not "social justice", but violence as a means of destabliztion.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: BRDG 6/15/2020 2:52:22 PM (No. 445454)
This was a setup from the start. They knew each other for 17 years. Then operatives OVERDOSED Floyd in the ambulance.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: earlybird 6/15/2020 3:10:57 PM (No. 445462)
Re #15, that is simply not true. Chauvin, when off duty, was said to have sat in his squad car outside the Mexican bar/restaurant/dance club for about 17 years. Floyd did not move from Texas to the Minneapolis area until 2014. He worked as a truck driver and sometimes as a bouncer. A woman by the name of Santamaria, who owned the club, said she didn’t know if they’d ever met as they worked different shifts and different locations. The man who came out a week or so ago to CBS with the story that they had “bumped heads” sent an email to CBS the following day, retracting his whole story. Said he had Floyd mixed up with another black man who worked at the club.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: acesfull 6/15/2020 3:14:31 PM (No. 445466)
My hope is that the trials are held and verdict announced In January. The Minneapolis winters are unforgivable and below zero conditions will stop any civil unrest. Seriously.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Hard Nard 6/15/2020 3:28:34 PM (No. 445481)
Keith Ellison is running the prosecution side. No way in hell this guy gets a fair trial.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 6/15/2020 4:03:53 PM (No. 445511)
Yes. And I have repeatedly pointed out several of these factors, and the OP showed regular Ldotters an excellent report on "excited delerium", which frequently will cause a restrained perpetrator to die from multiple drug related causes. The autopsy is very clear that he had very high levels of fentanyl, which depresses respiration, often fatally all by itself, plus methamphetimine, which is a heart stimulant, increasing heart rate and heart stress. Add in the pre-existing enlarged heart and multiple seriously clogged cardiac arteries, and then an adrenaline dump from panic and fighting.....and it is very likely that Floyd would die even if he was on a gurney in the ambulance, not laying on the street being restrained. The widely repeated media malpractice "murdered by police" and "killed at the hands of police" used to be far beyond the pale for US media, everything was "alleged that the police caused his death" would have been the fair way to report it, and would have been done before the media became The Enemedia. Excellent article. Thank you for posting, OP.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 6/15/2020 4:05:53 PM (No. 445514)
#4, excellent point. I am sure the officer was following his training on handling an excited delirium combative arrestee who is clearly on drugs and need of restraint to keep from hurting himself further.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Felixed 6/15/2020 4:41:29 PM (No. 445540)
Keith Ellison has deliberately "over" charged Chauvin. He is _betting_ that a jury will acquit if they actually follow the law. Why? Because he' going for a "two-fer". First Ellison reward is the violence and social destabilization we see today. Second reward is another burst of destruction and destabilization when "not guilty" arrives. Cynicism and evil go for ride-sharing every chance they get.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Geoman 6/15/2020 4:49:45 PM (No. 445548)
Before going federal for 20 years, I was a Texas LEO for 15 years, much of that time cross-trained as a firefighter/paramedic. I read the article carefully, balancing the author's narrative against 35 years of experience dealing with criminal behavior, often exacerbated by illegal drugs. I wasn't familiar with the term, ExDS but recognized the behavioral patterns, which also made me think of Rodney King. Other than a few minor points of difference, I found no large areas of disagreement; however, I never administered ketamine to someone resisting arrest or resorted to neck restraints but instead, was well versed in pressure point control techniques, with and without the use of impact weapons, which worked well on most violators, with a few notable exceptions that invariably involved street drugs. The author makes a logical case that Chauvin and his fellow officers were following their department's training and should not be facing murder charges or federal charges of civil rights violations, should the Minnesota jury acquit them of state charges.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 6/15/2020 4:53:34 PM (No. 445551)
The research project which used MPD officers to measure whether prone restraint with knee on neck was a risk to breathing is very important new information. Some of the rest has been posted and discussed here, but the author brings in MPD training and actual research on the exact restraint position used, which shows that it was definitively NOT likely to cause breathing problems. And MPD officers were participants in the scientific study, and it is likely that many MPD officers were aware of this information that this position was safe.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: MDConservative 6/15/2020 4:58:24 PM (No. 445554)
Juries, if this is not a bench trial, generally consist of the twelve least onerous in the pool that one side or the other thinks it can persuade. Facts are oftentimes irrelevant.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird 6/15/2020 4:59:13 PM (No. 445556)
Re #22, ketamine would be administered by EMS, not LEO. Article might be of interest to you. There are others if excited delirium ketamine is searched. "Ketamine for the Acute Management of Excited Delirium and Agitation in the Prehospital Setting” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29136301/ There is a fair body of opinion that Chauvin was trying to save Floyd’s life. It is important to keep these heavy-duty-drug-intoxicated persons physically immobilized for their own good. One damaging feature of excited delirium is a major rise in body temperature that injures critical organs…. These people are difficult to save from themselves...
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Reply 26 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 6/15/2020 5:33:42 PM (No. 445570)
"Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. " And heroin. They always leave out the heroin.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: udanja99 6/15/2020 6:16:10 PM (No. 445603)
Incredibly detailed article and mountains of research. I was familiar with most of it but not the fine details. Ultimately I don’t think it will make a bit of difference. Facts are meaningless to the rioters and they won’t curtail their violence long enough to listen to a single fact. And what jury, especially in leftist Minneapolis, wants to risk their own safety and lives by handing down anything other than a guilty verdict?
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Geoman 6/15/2020 6:28:18 PM (No. 445616)
Re: #25 - My department in North Texas was somewhat unique in that all LEOs were also firefighters and EMTs; many of us were state-licensed paramedics. I've administered ketamine, among other controlled substances, to many trauma victims, mostly for compound long-bone fractures or burns, and all at the direction of ER physicians via MDTs, radios, and old-school cell phones. Ketamine can cause respiratory depression, so it is often contraindicated for use outside of very narrow parameters. All of our EMS guys and gals were LEOs and were armed, although when performing firefighting or rescue duties, your gun and web gear were stored in the trunks of your cruiser. The article you referred to was interesting, as was a linked article on intubation, but ExDS wasn't known as such until I had (stupidly) left Texas for federal LEO service back east.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: SALady 6/15/2020 6:30:13 PM (No. 445619)
When they decided to charge the officer with 2nd degree murder instead of manslaughter, they wanted him to be found not-guilty -- so that Soros' army of rioters and anarchists would have a whole new excuse to destroy America all over again!!!! This was never about "justice".
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Reply 30 - Posted by: NorthernDog 6/15/2020 6:47:54 PM (No. 445632)
FTA:Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions,.. Somehow I got hooked on the cable TV show ''Autopsy - the last hours of ....'' It's very frequent to hear someone famous died with a dangerous cocktail of drugs in their system and also had an underlying condition. They can drop dead anywhere and at any age. I think a trial will show what George Floyd was at high risk for such a death even if he hadn't been restrained by the neck.
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Posted by Imright 6/16/2020 5:38:33 PM Post Reply
The left’s meltdown over the fashion choice of the head football coach at Oklahoma State University has triggered a hot take on conservatives in general. Left-wing writer Bill Palmer announced open season on conservatives, unloading in a series of tweets on Sunday about the audacity of coach Mike Gundy who is being lambasted for a photo in which he is seen wearing a One America News Network T-shirt. “People who promote the racist propaganda hate speech on OANN are dangerous thugs. They have no place in respectable society,” Palmer announced on Twitter, echoing the left’s outrage over the message they are convinced Gundy was sending in his choice of attire.
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