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Minneapolis Disaster: Fentanyl,
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Posted By: earlybird, 6/5/2020 11:44:03 AM

The death of George Floyd after an interaction with the Minneapolis Police Department has rocked the world and while everyone reading this believes that an officer that put his knee in the back of Floyd’s neck for close to nine minutes was the cause of death, the facts and evidence are anything but that. Now, before you quickly go the typical “you are justifying the murder” of Mr. Floyd, go ahead and take a step back. Our job here is to give you the facts and whether you want to believe it or not, many of the facts are either not reported or not yet known and that should be concerning to

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This is about something Slate (we know them well) has found to be a nonexistent condition, but EMSs know it and it was officially recognized in 2009 by the American College of Emergency Physicians. We have heard of it before, but not by name. Rodney King was high on PCP, a drug that has long been known to produce the same state.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bur Oak 6/5/2020 11:48:50 AM (No. 433404)
After a suspect has been handcuffed what is the reason to keep a knee on his neck?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: ARKfamily 6/5/2020 11:53:04 AM (No. 433407)
Like a poster pointed out in another article, we have no idea if George Floyd was spitting on the police officers. He may have also revealed his diagnosis of the virus while spitting on them. And now all of the police officers are exposed to it. I have no idea what was going on especially because of the possibility that they knew each other. Is bad following bad or did bad collide with bad. I don't agree with any of it. I hope they are still looking into the $20 counterfeit bill. It might provide some more answers?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bighambone 6/5/2020 12:00:13 PM (No. 433419)
Well can you imagine what the over reaction by the “peaceful” rioting Black protestors and their leftist and liberal Democrat benefactors will be if the trial jury finds the four policemen not guilty? Especially since that would happen right in the middle of the political funny season during the run up to the November general election!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Smart11344 6/5/2020 12:02:08 PM (No. 433423)
Honest to God, who is George Floyd? Until his death I have never heard of him. I am not trying to demean the man, I just have never heard of him.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: MrDeplorable 6/5/2020 12:18:17 PM (No. 433447)
#1 asked: "After a suspect has been handcuffed what is the reason to keep a knee on his neck?" After controlling a suspect so that he (in most cases) is not a danger to OTHERS, the second thing police are responsible for is controlling a suspect so that he is not a danger to HIMSELF and if the Agitated Delirium theory is what's going on with Floyd, the policeman may well have been trying to save him from harmed HIMSELF.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2020 12:21:02 PM (No. 433449)
George Floyd was apparently a lifelong druggie whose habits led him to commit a number of crimes, including the one that sent him to prison for 5 years: The home invasion robbery of a woman to whose stomach he held a gun while he ransacked her home, looking for money and drugs. Although he was another of the “gentle giants” that these guys become after death, at 46 he had little to show for his life and was still doing serioius drugs and committing a felony (passing counterfeit money) when arrested. Much has been made of his moving to Minneapolis to start a new life. The new life didn’t happen, and he may well have just needed to get out of Texas to evade supportiing his illegitimate kids.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: udanja99 6/5/2020 12:33:19 PM (No. 433458)
The jury may well look at those facts but they will still demand a guilty verdict. They will know that if they don’t their lives aren’t worth a warm bucket of urine.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2020 12:52:16 PM (No. 433471)
FTA, some critical information: "The Western Journal of Emergency Medicine says that “Excited delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs Subjects typically die from a heart attack and the majority of the patients die before hospital arrival.” “All accounts describe almost the exact same sequence of events: delirium with agitation (fear, panic, shouting, violence and hyperactivity), sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death.” This sounds precisely like what was going on here. And the (very likely Chinese-made) fentanyl and norfentanyl mixed with methamphetimines that was in Floyd's blood stream is likely to have had other drugs mixed in with it, too, accidentally or on purpose. I took a look on the web to find out what "norfentanyl" is, after my pharmacist friend said "No idea, not in anything you will get from a pharmacy. Probably some Chinese drug maker's variation on fentanyl." I ran across carfentanyl, another variation on fentanyl, but 100 times more potent than the already mindblowingly powerful fentanyl. The dosages of these things are so small as to be difficult to grasp. Carfentanyl is used to anesthetize elephants! A gram is 1/28th of an ounce. A milligram is 1/1000th of a gram. A microgram is 1/1000th of a milligram. So a microgram is 1/28 millionth of an ounce. The normal starting medical dosage of fentanyl, according to my pharmacist friend is 25 micrograms, to avoid killing the patient with respiratory depression. If there are various "related compounds" in the street (Chinese) fentanyl that Floyd took, how much is carfentanyl which is 100 times as potent? So this would mean if the dose of 25 micrograms had even 1% of carfentanyl, by sloppiness in some Chinese illegal lab, the dose would have been effectively doubled. We hear of people dying of "drug overdose" all the time, a regular epidemic these days. Because these Chinese illegal synthetic opiates are so incredibly powerful, that is made more likely. Is China doing this on purpose, as a military plan? Or just because they have the ethics of a scorpion, but without the kinder nature of a scorpion?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2020 12:52:41 PM (No. 433472)
#1, to keep him from spitting on you?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: jimincalif 6/5/2020 12:53:44 PM (No. 433475)
The fix is in. The non-autopsy autopsy report of death by asphyxiation has run the news cycle, so it might as well be fact as far as the public is concerned, but no so much the jury. And by escalating the charges, Ellison wins either way. In the unlikely event there is a conviction, he's a hero. In the more likely event of acquittal, the riots start all over again.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Vaquero45 6/5/2020 12:56:04 PM (No. 433477)
Here’s my bet on what will happen. The prosecution won’t be able to prove murder; manslaughter may even be a stretch. The cop will probably be convicted of negligent homicide or whatever Minnesota law calls it. Then, he’ll appeal. After a couple of years, his appeal will be heard, and his conviction will be (quietly) reversed. George Floyd was a mope. If he hadn’t died in this encounter with law enforcement, he’d have died in the next one.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2020 12:59:45 PM (No. 433482)
Thank you for posting, OP. Excellent find.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Chuzzles 6/5/2020 1:01:43 PM (No. 433483)
Given the guy was supposed to be about 6'6'' and high as a kite on a nasty adrenaline pumping cocktail of drugs, I suspect that the outsized officers had to restrain him in any way possible. This is such an unfortunate situation, but the guy was resisting arrest, and was absolutely out of his head in the back seat. The officers were not going to drive with a guy in that condition. Floyd's drugs will be ignored as much as possible in the media. Hopefully the trial will bring out much new evidence that Baden the ME can't talk away.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/5/2020 1:08:51 PM (No. 433491)
I don't think these officers will ever be convicted. Why hasn't the officer's camera footage been released? As for the video people saw, who took that video? What was the chain of custody of that video? On many NFL plays, one camera angle says one thing, another angle says the opposite. There are a lot of unanswered questions.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 6/5/2020 1:11:22 PM (No. 433496)
After being handcuffed and put on the ground, there is absolutely NO excuse to put a knee on one's neck! Put your knee on the middle of his back and he is controlled. This was cruel and sadistic! This officer was cited 19 times for excessive force, but was kept on the job because Amy K. would not prosecute! Making Police Officers look and act like members of the military has concerned me for the last 15 years. BUT...the looting and rioting are not excusable at any level. The anti police sentiment is highly misplaced. Minneapolis is about to become Somalia if they get rid of their police force. We will never set foot into this awful city again and we live 25 miles from it! I'm sick of left wing extreme politics turning our society into chaos toward a Totalitarian "New World Order" that Bush Sr. spoke so highly of!!! We are heading into very dangerous and disturbing times!!!
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Reply 16 - Posted by: marbles 6/5/2020 1:26:46 PM (No. 433512)
Looking at Floyd and reading about his myriad of medical conditions, did he have acromegaly?
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Reply 17 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 6/5/2020 2:00:10 PM (No. 433548)
This is important and interesting information. If proven out, the officer might have been familiar with people using drugs and their reaction. Such people can become VERY violent, even if restrained and can hurt others and themselves. Holding the guy down may have been appropriate in case the guy started to go nuts. There was NO bruising on Floyd which is almost amazing and speaks that while the video and the narrative imply excessive force, little force was actually used. It is very possible that Floyd's condition, including his inability to breathe was completely due to his drug use. If the police had shown up 30 minutes later than they did, they might have found him dead from an overdose. It's too early to be sure but it sure raises lots of questions. All these riots, damages, and injury may have ALL been due to another "Hands Up, Don't Shoot." moment and hype.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: spacer 6/5/2020 2:01:42 PM (No. 433551)
I know nothing of LEOs tactics for arresting perps and even less about anything medical. I have the same question as #1.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rumblehog 6/5/2020 2:15:05 PM (No. 433569)
#1 and other skeptics, tell me the last time you tried to control by yourself a 6' 6" monster of a man who is high on "some" controlled substance and who might very well lash out at you in a blind rage and severely injure you in the process? PCP is the worst. I don't know the stature of the "unfortunately white" police officer following arrest protocol, but he might not have had much choice. If you ever watch a herding dog they control animals by control of the neck. The head goes first or the rest of the body can't easily go. These are jiu jitsu techniques police have been learning for the last 15 years.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2020 2:50:11 PM (No. 433608)
#15, this is standard training procedure for this sort of a arrestee, did you not bother to read the article? Have you ever spoken with officers who have arrested guys like this? I have, and they are extremely difficult to handle, and even smaller men, on drugs and adrenaline have taken six officers to control, according to former police officer friends. Floyd was big and strong, and on drugs and adrenaline. And if you imagine that the officer's full weight was on that knee, you are very likely wrong. 10 or 20 lbs would be all that is needed to keep him in position. Police handling a violent, out of control drugged up person is never going to be pretty or dainty. It is ugly, vicious and the officers get beat up pretty well in the process, too. Imagining otherwise is unrealistic.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 6/5/2020 4:18:08 PM (No. 433669)
I recommend that everyone watch a few episodes of "Live PD" on Friday and Saturday nights on A&E network to see what police have to go through. It usually takes multiple police to restrain drunks and druggies. Why anyone would be a policeman is beyond me.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: lakerman1 6/5/2020 4:22:41 PM (No. 433671)
autopsy showed him to be 6'4", 223 pounds.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: bighambone 6/5/2020 4:30:17 PM (No. 433680)
With such a politically charged case it would be impossible for the police officers to get a fair trial in Minneapolis, where a good portion of the population would like to lynch the police, because as soon as the juror’s identities become known, the jurors will be harassed and threatened 24/7. So look for a change of venue, pretty far away from what they claim with be the first inner city that does not need any police.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 6/5/2020 5:41:00 PM (No. 433737)
Npt only fentanyl and meth, but heroin as well.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: franq 6/5/2020 5:45:41 PM (No. 433743)
A handcuffed man could still kick, charge, and bite.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: MorningStar 6/5/2020 6:06:47 PM (No. 433776)
I, unlike many of the above posters, READ the ACTUAL autopsy and agree that George Floyd was 6' 4" tall, and weighed over 220 lbs. What was very interesting was the fact that he had ingested so many lethal drugs, which must've led to unbelievable super-strength to anyone confronting him. The store-owner's 911 complaint to police, that someone attempting to pass a counterfeit $20 bill twice to buy a pack of "smokes" was "over-the-top drunk!" The autopsy clearly stated multiple injuries of 'blunt-force trauma' to the forehead. Thus, we can understand WHY a police officer would have attempted to restrain the arrested person as he did, face down, who was also known to have Covid-19. Plus, with the drug cocktail, he must've been very difficult to control! It would appear that the injuries to Floyd's forehead were self-induced. His underlying heart and other conditions contributed to his untimely death. Upon reading the informative autopsy it would be difficult to blame law enforcement for this tragic confluence of near-fatal consequences!!
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Reply 27 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2020 6:51:51 PM (No. 433825)
We now know that there Michael Baden did not do a second autopsy. His opinion - carefully phrased to omit expert from opinion - was based on a video. He gave his absolute opinion that, contrary to the county pathologist, Floyd did not have preexisting heart problems, etc. His source? He talked to Floyd’s family. Hopeless.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 6/5/2020 7:40:18 PM (No. 433871)
The real story is slowly emerging. Its obvious Floyd did something to get pinned down as he did. There has been no talk about that. Of course our lying media would never cover that. They are working overtime. First they scared the general public with CV19. Now they make the public angry by posting Floyd's death. All to unseat our current President.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: watashiyo 6/6/2020 1:59:51 AM (No. 434178)
Nobody deserves to die. George Floyd had thousands of opportunities to turn his life around. He made his choice and it was tragic. The cops were only there to maintain law and order. If only Floyd admitted to his guilt and cooperated with the police, he still would be alive and given the chance to turn his life around. The victim is not Floyd, nor his parents and loved ones, it's the cops. Now the Undesirables are rioting, looting, and burning the city to memorialize Floyd. This time, it's the small businesses, institutions, major retailers, and the peaceful communities that's become the victims. ....extraction and killing(radiation) is the only way to remove the cancer cells. The sooner the better.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace 6/6/2020 2:53:21 PM (No. 435058)
It seems the MPD was quick to point out the "criminal aspects" of George Floyd. Kind of like besmirching a woman who has been raped and then her past or one made up makes her look guilty and not to be believed. I don't know if Mr. Floyd was a druggie. Nor do I know of his other suggested criminal behavior. He did not deserve to be murdered... with a knee on his neck until he died. We all watched it on TV. There is no other proof that he was resisting arrest. There were three other MPD officers nearby. Why didn't they pull the mad dog off Mr. Floyd? It's right to charge them with aiding and abetting a murder. I am a 79 year white woman. I am not a racist nor have I ever been one. Bless the Floyd family and peaceful protesters.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: msjena 6/6/2020 3:16:04 PM (No. 435077)
I read somewhere that handcuffed suspects sometimes manage to escape. They tried to put Floyd into the car, but he wouldn’t go. That is why they had to restrain him.
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Never Trump super PAC the Lincoln Project and other anti-Trump Republicans continue to plot to not only take down President Donald Trump, but also the Senate Republican majority, according to a report released on Saturday.Never Trump Republicans believe that preventing a second term for Trump is insufficient, and that Senate Republicans must also pay the price of backing the 45th president. Steve Schmidt, who works for the Never Trump Lincoln Project, said, “The analogy would be in the same way that fire purifies the forest, it needs to be burned to the ground and fundamentally repudiated.
See it: White man and woman deface
Black Lives Matter mural in California,
declaring ‘racism is a leftist lie’
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Posted by Ribicon 7/5/2020 7:29:09 PM Post Reply
Police in Martinez, California, are seeking a white man and woman who were filmed defacing a city-permitted Black Lives Matter street mural on Independence Day. In the video, posted to YouTube, an onlooker can be heard asking a woman who is slathering black paint over the vibrant yellow block letters, “What’s wrong with you?” “We’re sick of this narrative, that’s what’s wrong,” replies a male voice offscreen. “The narrative of police brutality, the narrative of oppression, the narrative of racism–it’s a lie.”(Snip) “This is racism is what it is,” said the man of the sign, as he came into view wearing
Dem Sen. Duckworth open to ripping down
George Washington statues; even CNN
was confused
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Posted by Imright 7/5/2020 5:07:49 PM Post Reply
The left has made it clear that the cultural revolution underway in America today may have started with the alleged racial implications of the Confederacy, but extends well beyond that now.America is the target. On the Fourth of July weekend, as Americans celebrate the 244th anniversary of their independence from Britain, the man largely responsible for that independence, the man who, along with a small number of others, risked everything, to include his life, to make it happen is now under attack.CNN host Dana Bash noted that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners, and asked Sen. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill.,
FDA commissioner ‘concerned’
quarter of Americans could
reject coronavirus vaccine
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Posted by Ribicon 7/5/2020 2:32:31 PM Post Reply
Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn said it was “concerning” that a new survey found more than a quarter of adults would “definitely” or “probably” not accept a free coronavirus vaccine. During a discussion about the possible timetable for developing a vaccine, Hahn was asked what happens if all of those people refuse. “It is a sizable number. And it is concerning. And, of course, the issue of vaccines in this country has been around for a number of years,” he said on ABC News’ “This Week.” The ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 27 percent were wary of getting a vaccine.
Time for cancel culture to ditch the Kennedys 23 replies
Posted by Pluperfect 7/5/2020 4:47:55 AM Post Reply
If Abraham Lincoln and Christopher Columbus no longer pass woke muster in Boston, then it’s time for the Kennedys to go. And everything with their names plastered on it — the JFK Library and JFK federal building, his statue at the State House, the Kennedy School of Government across the river, the Rose Kennedy Greenway, the Edward M. Kennedy Whatever They Call It, etc. Everything must go! Profiles in Courage? The Kennedys were more like Profiles in Caucasity, as that woke Harvard gal said this week before she too got canceled. Let’s start with President Kennedy.
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