How Treatable Is Covid-19?
PJ Media,
by
John Hinderaker
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
5/4/2020 12:35:22 PM
The Wuhan epidemic has exposed a rift between the academic medicine types who dominate the Centers for Disease Control and similar agencies in the states and practicing physicians who are actually treating COVID patients. (Snip) doctors on the front line have developed effective treatment regimens for the virus–regimens which apparently would save many lives (Snip)
A group of critical care physicians representing the University of Tennessee, (Snip) and a number of other institutions have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Consortium and released a bulletin setting out a recommended treatment protocol. (Snip) based largely on the fact that it is not the virus, but the body’s reaction to the
Reply 1 - Posted by:
mizzmac 5/4/2020 12:51:15 PM (No. 400492)
Why do I think this practical, common sense approach from front line docs won't be widely-communicated?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
2assume 5/4/2020 12:56:55 PM (No. 400504)
So why are we relying on the experts advice to not go out. We are confined in our homes, everything that gives us joy and a purpose is taken away replaced by hopelessness and debt. Our Spokesdoctor just cancelled summer because she is afraid maybe someone from Seattle might infect one of us. She thinks she is saving lives. Is this living? For one I do not want to live this way.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Madinmaryland 5/4/2020 1:00:59 PM (No. 400513)
This such a good article. Especially the actual paper from the consortium. It all makes perfect sense. I have a cousin working in a CV19 unit and she says every patient she takes care of get plaquenil. Steroids depends on the patient.
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2assume 5/4/2020 1:08:54 PM (No. 400524)
Sorry for second post but did we vote for this Doctor? Why does she have the power to do this to us? I don’t think we had any Coronavirus related deaths in our county yet we are being punished because Seattle has a problem.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
hershey 5/4/2020 1:14:55 PM (No. 400535)
Academic types that dominate the CDC...that in itself is more scary than the virus....they probably sit around all day trying to figure a way to stick it on all on Trump
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
curious1 5/4/2020 1:29:58 PM (No. 400558)
The money quote from the article:
"It seems to be increasingly clear that both the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control have been worse than useless in the present epidemic."
So why are we wasting taxpayer dollars on either of them?
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planetgeo 5/4/2020 1:44:28 PM (No. 400585)
Interesting. FWIW I routinely take vitamin C supplements all year long, but in the fall/winter I up the amounts and include both zinc and vitamin D supplements. Practically never get a cold or flu, and if ever, very mild. The vitamin D connection is especially interesting because the body's typical main source for it is sunshine, which is drastically reduced in fall/winter.
As for WHO, CDC, the President needs to seriously restructure CDC and reprioritize its mission and activities. Among the things needed is a systematic approach to all disease and death reporting statistics, so the categorizing specifications are clear and the templates for data reporting and associated patient demographics are standardized and absolutely reliably reported from all states, with failure to do so resulting in loss of federal funding to those states. This current reporting regimen is a complete disaster and ripe for manipulaltive reporting, as is clearly being done now for blatantly political and financial reasons.
Fix the CDC or eliminate it altogether. It is a massive failure!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
bamboozle 5/4/2020 1:55:32 PM (No. 400603)
The function of academic physicians is to get grants, do research, write lots of papers (to get more grants), and to chair important meetings of other academic physicians. The function of the doctors at the front is to treat and cure actual patients with whatever seems to work. If we wait for the academics to validate a treatment we will all die of old age.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 5/4/2020 4:07:20 PM (No. 400709)
A good summary of a number of sources of information. A report on a 'recommended treatment regimen' from a large group of docs in Alabama, one of the Lucianne linked articles a couple of days ago, is one of the very best concise treatment guides that I have seen in months of paying close attention.
Mr. Hindraker has done a good job here, too. The better docs are figuring this out, and the what seems to be a really decent treatment regimen being recommended.
Some of the smarter docs have been saying for at least six weeks, probably longer, that suppressing the cytokine storm is the key to keeping the patient alive . This is the reason that smart docs, in France and in the USA tried chlorquine and hydroxychloroquine - they are known to suppress this sort of extreme immune over response, which is why they are used for those with chronic immune system disorders like lupis and rheumatoid arthritis. And because of long history, they are known to be generally safe, too.
The clotting issue seems to be something relatively new, learned from practical experience by docs in the field who are sharp. And other reports here have noted this, too.
Remdesivir actually directly interferes with the viral replication process, all other treatments are treating the symptoms, which can kill you, to keep you alive while your immune system develops antibodies and wipes out the virus.
As a general rule, we have had few or no direct antiviral drugs in the history of mankind, and we still have very few. Treatment of the symptoms so that the patient can survive long enough for the immune system to win the war has been the basic "battle plan" against viruses since day one. "Drink plenty of liquids, rest and take aspirin or tylenol" has been the treatment for flu "forever".
Bacteria are an entirely different deal, we have dozens of effective antibacterial drugs, and we can kill the bacteria directly in most cases.
The number of antivirals is very limited, and they are typically not dramatically effective, unlike antibiotics against bacteria.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Zarin 5/4/2020 4:27:33 PM (No. 400728)
I saw this yesterday and posted the bulletin on Facebook, then I printed it out for a nurse friend and for us in case we get sick. The WHO & the CDC were not recommending steroids or ant-inflammatory drugs - yet I think that was standard treatment for ARDS in the past? Developed by the doctors on the front line working directly on this wicked virus their treatment using IV Vitamin C, a steroid, heparin (to counter the blood clotting) and a strong anti-inflammatory drug like HCQ is showing good results and needs to be considered for all Wuhan COVID victims. FTA: A group of critical care physicians representing the University of Tennessee, the University of Wisconsin, Eastern Virginia Medical School, the University of Texas and a number of other institutions have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Consortium and released a bulletin setting out a recommended treatment protocol. The protocol is based largely on the fact that it is not the virus, but the body’s reaction to the virus, that kills patients
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 5/4/2020 4:30:50 PM (No. 400731)
The bulletin from the consortium of docs that Mr. Hinderake links to is worth keeping a copy of, and using it as a basis for discussions with a doc if you or a family member gets this disease and needs treatment.
Here's a copy of his link. I have a copy saved on my computer.
https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/9794803/Treating_Covid-19_in_ER_2_-_April_6_2020_final.pdf
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Zarin 5/4/2020 4:31:16 PM (No. 400732)
Just to add - this bulletin was first published at the beginning of April - and we are just hearing about it. Where is the communication nationally? The CDC is doing what about sharing good info? There are treatments for this disease and the hospitals etc are dropping the ball.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
fishbone 5/4/2020 4:41:56 PM (No. 400743)
I haven't trusted the CDC (or many in the medical field) since they started treating gun ownership as a disease.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
red1066 5/4/2020 5:20:19 PM (No. 400783)
We don't need to look back and realize that the so called experts were (once again) wrong. It's been front and center for the last six weeks.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 5/4/2020 6:59:08 PM (No. 400847)
#14, that is not correct.
SOME experts were right, but the "experts" who are at WHO and CDC at the top, don't seem to be very expert at actual clinical treatment of this stuff. The experts who are posting this treatment regimen, seem to actually be experts.
The term is debased from overuse, unfortunately, used for people who are CREDENTIALED, but not experts.
I worked with a credentialed "expert" translator in Ukraine - certificates proving that he was a real pro. The engineer I worked with, with NO credentials from the state, was a really great translator, and I helped her become an expert over several years. The credentialed guy never got any better. You couldn't read his stuff and even get much more than the general drift, all detail garbled. But he was a "credentialed expert". 🙄
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
or gate 5/4/2020 7:13:00 PM (No. 400855)
God,
I hate steroids. I took them for a bad case of hives.
I felt awful and really wanted to kill something.
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