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America Doesn’t Have
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Posted By: StormCnter, 5/4/2020 3:04:56 PM

The good news is that you might get out of future jury duty, because when you are asked under oath about your own biases during a federal criminal case jury selection you would have to answer honestly by responding, “Your Honor, I don’t trust a damn thing anyone in the FBI says.” If the heirs of Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., were to go up on the stand and testify, the recent disgraceful revelations about how their bosses tried to frame LTG Mike Flynn mean you would be entirely correct to grant them the same credibility as the dude caught wearing a black cape, a Lone Ranger mask, and a nametag

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Reply 1 - Posted by: lazlototh 5/4/2020 3:08:43 PM (No. 400661)
I've always thought it wrong to try to get out of jury duty because the risk that the next person will be very different from me in their decision making process is too much to bear. I understand his sarcasm about getting out of jury duty, but I would now TRY to get on a federal jury precisely because of my distrust of the FBI. I would work all I could not to be biased, but my skepticism - different from bias - would be very, very high.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 5/4/2020 3:25:24 PM (No. 400678)
I have zero faith in the judicial system in this country. My personal rule: avoid the courts and police at all cost. We now have police to ensure the rights of the criminal class and then to enforce political correctness..... never mind any interest in serving taxpayers. We do not have a judicial system. What we have is a political correctness system.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 5/4/2020 3:27:59 PM (No. 400682)
He's almost as cynical and pessimistic about this as I am.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: fayebeck 5/4/2020 3:35:21 PM (No. 400685)
Dittoes to #2 and 3. I have zero faith in the justice system. Also, I refuse to call cops for anything. In the past the response was "there's nothing we can do." Always. Well, I would call the law if a baby was being harmed. Wives and husbands beating on each other or house next door being robbed I would never call the law.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: RuckusTom 5/4/2020 3:56:59 PM (No. 400702)
An enterprising lawyer or law firm could probably come up with a prisoner class action lawsuit to throw out all the cases where the FBI provided testimony or evidence.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Clinger 5/4/2020 3:57:10 PM (No. 400703)
It would be one thing if the only problem was a disparity between how the upper echelon of the political parties were handled. It's pervasive at all levels. We will never have the kind of justice system we deserve, one that embodies the spirit and word of our constitutional republic until any maleficence on the part of the prosecution carries the exact penalty that they were attempting to pin on someone through their nefarious actions. No excuses, no exceptions. Of course must be deliberate not just an error. We have a crystal clear example of that in the Flynn case. Instead we get Richie Daley earning his prosecutoial bones and launching pad to the mayors office by railroading David Dowaliby
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Mizz Fixxit 5/4/2020 4:02:57 PM (No. 400707)
GW Bush declined to clean up the Dept. of Justice in what was probably the last chance to fix the rot. I gave up hope when Samuel Berger was given a slap on the wrist for stealing documents, including classified originals from the National Archives. Recall he bullied Archives staff. Then he left the building with documents stuffed in his pants. He shredded the papers. Burger committed these crimes to protect the Clinton legacy. He lied to investigators. He did not serve one day in prison.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: fishbone 5/4/2020 4:21:18 PM (No. 400725)
I have not used the term "Justice System" for years. Instead I use "Legal System", We haven't had justice for decades. I've been skeptical of any FBI "sting" operation since before the Richard Jewell debacle. I believe most of those are due to "entrapment" or "agent provocateurs".
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Reply 9 - Posted by: bad-hair 5/4/2020 4:42:18 PM (No. 400745)
I guess I'm still an optimist but I'm getting old and tired. I'm hoping what's taking Barr and Durham so long is that they are about to charge a LOT of people as in Hillary!! with a LOT of serious crimes based on a LOT of solid evidence. Otherwise I'll just resort to looking out for my self and family like the "looking out for #1" elites do.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: MickTurn 5/4/2020 4:48:15 PM (No. 400753)
I've been saying that for a very long time. What we have now is a LEGAL system, OF, BY and FOR the Lawyers,and their shopped crooked Judges, it's that simple!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: bad-hair 5/4/2020 5:01:22 PM (No. 400765)
Sorry for the double but some of this Flynn could have avoided. When the police tell you that you don't need a lawyer … YOUNEED A LAWYER Recommended reading , "You Have The Right to Remain Innocent" Author Duane James. It's what the cops tell their kids to do when talking to "the police".
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Reply 12 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 5/4/2020 5:10:57 PM (No. 400775)
I hope Kurt is wrong. But either way, whether these criminals are held accountable or not, the system will still be badly broken. WHAT will be done to fix that? First, housing counterterrorism within the FBI is NOT workable. It is antithetical to criminal investigation and corrupting to a criminal investigation agency. The whole concept of counterterrorism and intelligence operations needs to be rethought as it has become a weapon against the Country instead of a defense against foreign foes, however, it is clear it does NOT belong in the FBI. It is also clear that the IGs are a joke. They make sure paper is pushed in the right direction and i's dotted and t's crossed but they provide NO helpful control of criminal activity. Another mechanism, one with TEETH, is required. Regulations and laws need to be in place that put a BIG cost on self serving criminality, loss of job and pension, permanent expulsion from government service, fines, and jail time. Abuse of enormous government power must carry enormous and CERTAIN costs.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: curious1 5/4/2020 6:29:54 PM (No. 400835)
#12, even adding more laws won't do the trick if those who are supposed to enforce said laws are compromised uniparty members. We the people have to hold these treasonous, seditious criminals accountable if the 'law enforcement' jokers won't do their duty. We need to make them wish they'd been brought before a court of law and sentenced to life in prison for treason instead of skating.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Bur Oak 5/4/2020 6:53:20 PM (No. 400845)
Either some of the perpetrators go to jail or this country of freedom is doomed.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Jethro bo 5/4/2020 7:37:25 PM (No. 400884)
A little late to the conversation. Yes, we have two systems. Justice for us, Just-US for Democrats and their enablers in DC. Guess which one goes to jail?
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