Stop the 'anecdotal' nonsense
American Thinker,
by
Jim Dicks
Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan,
4/10/2020 4:19:22 AM
"Anecdotal" has suddenly transmogrified into a magic word with power to shut down any further inquiry, discussion, or debate of hydroxychloroquine's (HYQ) application as a Wuhan virus antidote. This one simple word has reached ultimate status in the world of TDS-sufferers everywhere as the definitive slayer of arguments for the drug's use to impede the deadly path of the virus.
This sad fact is representative of a pernicious chasm in our society. The deeply felt antipathy and revulsion of anything Trump by TDS-sufferers are so intense, raw, and vituperative that the one, and so far, only readily available treatment modality demonstrating high efficacy in stopping COVID-19 —
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 4/10/2020 5:48:02 AM (No. 374640)
The death cult Democrats simply cannot allow anything that will get in the way of mounting casualty numbers, that even their blatant padding isn't helping. I'm sure they are bitterly disappointed that "social distancing" actually worked and the hot-spot cities can't fill their beds; let alone a floating military hospital, or the Javits Center, or the Good Samaritan field hospital in Central Park. Denying, delaying and dissembling an effective treatment is all they have left. It won't be long now before their latest shipment from Acme goes, "Boom!"
MAG:KAG - Beep! Beep!
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Obviousity 4/10/2020 6:24:15 AM (No. 374657)
Liars, damn liars and Anecdotalizers.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/10/2020 6:32:18 AM (No. 374661)
The democrats fear the antimalarial drug because it has very good results. They wanted to see high casualties. Remember, the Nevada and Michigan Govs banned this drug's use at the beginning and Cuomo is only allowing the hospitals to use it. By doing this, they all hindered lives from being saved by not allowing the doctors to use it at the beginning of the patient's symptoms. Then, they say "every life counts". Wow, this entire scenario is scary.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Bluefindad 4/10/2020 7:33:39 AM (No. 374696)
Last year I was subjected to a drug-stimulated cardio stress test. I still chuckle about it because the technician came in to brief me on the possible side effects of the drugs they were giving me to stimulate heart stresses. She kept saying "Don't worry, if you experience severe side effects well administer an anecdote." Clearly she meant "antidote", but she probably didn't even know she was using the wrong word or what it meant. I'll lay odds that the vast majority of Americans don't know what the word "anecdote" means, let alone the use of the term in statistical analysis.
The left is great at Orwellian twists. Most people probably still don't know what anecdotal evidence means, but they are aware that smarter people use it as a dismissive term - so when something is labeled anecdotal by someone who is declared wise, it is meant to be dismissed without argument. But in this case the argument is vastly important. It directly addresses the other great invented term "Flattening the curve" - which involves imposing economy killing social practices so hospitals don't get overwhelmed (not to prevent the disease from making its rounds, but by slowing the rate of infection). The finger on the anecdotal scale is political. If HYQ works and is administered early or as a prophylaxis for at-risk people, then it's Trump's "Game changer". Otherwise, it's just anecdotal, to be dismissed until well after the economy is just road kill in the rear view mirror.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 4/10/2020 7:36:18 AM (No. 374699)
"Ancedotal" is just a word used in a derogatory way for snooty people that think they are better than the rest of us and live in their own imaginary reality to try to put the rest of us down.
Anecdotaql is "real world experience". It has no place in the world of the snooty elite.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
rsgonner 4/10/2020 7:42:39 AM (No. 374705)
The AMA and the physician pols in government like the talking head at the CDC really do have blood on their hands. The president of the AMA recently said (in an interview with CNN): "People may die if hydroxychloroquine is used." Well, Dr. Harris, I'm a physician and people WILL die if they listen to you! We've been this way before. In the 1950's, establishment medicine wanted Jonas Salk to use "double blind placebo controlled" trials of his vaccine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114166/ From the article: "The use of a placebo control group seemed to be too much of a “calculated risk,” one that parents, teachers, and health officials would reject; in Salk’s words, “a ‘beautiful’ ... experiment over which the epidemiologist could become quite ecstatic but [which] would make the humanitarian shudder.”9" We should all shudder at the AMA's cavalier approach. People should die to satisfy their intellectual curiosity.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
shredmaster 4/10/2020 7:54:29 AM (No. 374715)
#6 said: People should die to satisfy their intellectual curiosity.
Isn't this what the Nazis did when they conducted their own experiments on Jews in WW2?
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
worried 4/10/2020 7:57:00 AM (No. 374717)
As far as I can find, only about 1/6th of practicing doctors belong to the AMA. As you can see, they don't speak for the majority of physicians, or anywhere near. So, #6, I don't believe anything they say.
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If I have this right, stories of actual people recovering after being treated with actual drugs are 'anecdotal.'
But ivory tower types relying strictly on models as a justification for imprisoning all of America is 'science.'
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
bpl40 4/10/2020 8:11:40 AM (No. 374735)
HCQ has become to Liberal Democrats what a cross is to a vampire. Rather than being just a source of humor, all these 'anecdotes' should be carefully recorded and used against them come November.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
JackBurton 4/10/2020 8:22:04 AM (No. 374754)
Ran into one of the snobby 'anecdotal'ers on social media. Said that HYQ wasn't supported by science.
I pointed out that his adherence to science was anecdotal.
It's become a slam.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Krause 4/10/2020 8:28:19 AM (No. 374762)
NPR does this all the time. Sob stories, to make Trump's government look bad.
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A doctor in France refused to do a blind study because he thought it was unethical to withhold this medicine that was an effective cure in over 85% of his patients (the sample size was over 1,000).
I would venture to guess that over half of the democrat leadership and reporters who are trying to block its use are taking hydroxychloroquine preventatively right now.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
chiller 4/10/2020 9:13:39 AM (No. 374842)
DjT will shortly override Fauxi and mandate the HCQ cocktail. He won't/can't let this idiocy proceed killing patients, business, economies, jobs, and life savings. I'll be seriously disappointed in the Donald for the 1st time if this does not happen soon.
We're past the point when anecdotal success becomes overwhelming confirmation. It's a gamble, but a small one, imho, with yuuuuuge rewards for bold and correct action.
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Antidotes and anecdotes and little lambs eat ivy, a kid’ll eat ivy too, wouldn’t you.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
planetgeo 4/10/2020 9:57:37 AM (No. 374906)
Personally, I think Democrats should steadfastly refuse to take HCQ and allow us unscientific, non-double-blind-test fools to take it regardless of their wise counsel.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/10/2020 10:13:01 AM (No. 374926)
The msm personnel should be required to relocate to NYC. We need to see more person on the street and hospital bed interviews, up very close and personal.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
smcchk 4/10/2020 10:33:41 AM (No. 374964)
The saddest thing is that the healthcare workers should be receiving it prophylactically and there is no talk of that. I wish the medical community would stand up for itself!
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
smcchk 4/10/2020 10:36:23 AM (No. 374966)
Sorry - double post. Story on a Milwaukee talk show. Couple on a cruise. Husband gets COVID, on a ventilator, recovering slowly, may be off this weekend. Wife tests negative for COVID, no symptoms, but she is on Hydroxychloriquine for her arthritis! Preventive medicine!
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
earlybird 4/10/2020 10:42:18 AM (No. 374976)
#9 is correct. In this context, anecdotal refers to a first-person story of what actually happened to them.
I would consider it far better, more compelling, than so much that is theoretical.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 4/10/2020 10:52:00 AM (No. 374993)
While we may not have official bureaucratic, Fauci level proof that HCQ and azithromycin is THE choice to treat this virus, I would like to see proof of harm that it is doing and a viable alternative. There is nothing recommended that prevents doctors from trying other things. That's their personal medical and moral responsibility. Meanwhile, HCQ and azithromycin rack up more and more anecdotal evidence which is better than the lack of any evidence for other things.
In the end, maybe we find the "official" review finding that the combo was only 50% successful. Of 95,000 deaths that could have been over 47,000 lives saved and much less suffering. Wouldn't that have been worthwhile? Perhaps the best we could do under the circumstances? Or should we wait for another 95,000 to die while the good bureaucratic Dr. Fauci gets his proof.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Geoman 4/10/2020 11:22:15 AM (No. 375052)
Thousands of anecdotes become statistically significant empirical data, sufficient to establish correlative relationships.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
ragenrylie 4/10/2020 11:35:01 AM (No. 375068)
Where's the Double Blind peer reviewed study showing that locking us in our homes and shutting down our economy is effective in treating Covid-19???
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
NotaBene 4/10/2020 11:39:09 AM (No. 375070)
The models that social distancing works are quackery not based on randomized double blinded studies. Fauxi and Gates had no control group yet were able to ruin the strongest economy in the world. Talk about the Angel of Death and let my people go. Give US HCQ for we do not seek Death. President Donald Trump is a genius with an uncanny dose of common sense.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Trapper 4/10/2020 11:54:20 AM (No. 375090)
Yet NBC ran a story this morning pushing ventilators HARD, with a single "anecdotal" story, though they did not characterize it that way. They had the guy on to tell his story. He had held out, asking for "alternatives," but his doctors convinced him to allow them to put him into a coma and onto a ventilator instead. He survived.
He's a lucky man. 80% of those who go on a ventilator die, but the story didn't tell us that. Oh no. And there was no mention of the thousands of people who were put on HYQ and then found to be virus free 12 hours later.
This pushing of ventilators over what are now-proven drug therapies now verges on criminality, throwing the drowning masses anchors painted up to look like life preservers. There appears to be something more at work here beyond just Orange Man Bad. All the self preservation alarms are going off. What's going on here?
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 4/10/2020 12:02:18 PM (No. 375103)
Anecdotal means something might be working, but the FDA/CDC hasn't officially signed off on it yet. The fact that it is working doesn't matter to the bureaucrats like Fauci and Birx. They are pushing the Gates agenda of economic destruction, and must be enabled/supported by the media.
These tone deaf, clueless bureaucratic lab rats should be fired and fired today. And all the Governor Jackboots who are complicit with them should be dealing with the DOJ. The refusal of the DOJ to protect our constitutional and civil rights really has me steamed. Trump and Barr need to stop dithering and get this nation back to work.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
chase9365 4/10/2020 12:21:32 PM (No. 375140)
I have one question for the "Anecdopes" as I call them. If your child was unable to breath, had exhausted all other treatments and near death, would you not request they be given Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromycin? If you say no, because it is anecdotal evidence, you are either a liar or not a parent.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
web 4/10/2020 12:24:34 PM (No. 375143)
What it means is when leftists push their narratives, day after day, it must be the truth because it is repeated endlessly by everyone. When ordinary people tell their stories of personal experience with something, it cannot be trusted, because it is just "anecdotal" and not proven scientifically.
If something works for me, I don't care how many scientific studies claim that it doesn't work. The FDA and the drug industry have killed more people than so-called "quack medicine" ever has.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna 4/10/2020 12:25:28 PM (No. 375145)
Every one of those class action suits against harmful drugs is suing against a product that passed extensive FDA 'testing'.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
RedWhite&Blue2 4/10/2020 12:31:29 PM (No. 375159)
“Blinded by science”
Foreigner CD—Head Games 1979
I listen to that song a lot
For 41 years
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Red Ghost 4/10/2020 1:09:20 PM (No. 375242)
This is absolute insanity. We can take the catastrophic step of closing down the American economy for months ushering in a depression, but it's not okay to stem the tide of the virus by acknowledging the HCQ cocktail is saving patient's lives when doctors are ALLOWED to prescribe it. Dr. Fauci has been a bureaucrat for too long and has probably not treated a patient for 30 years. So his judgement about using HCQ is questionable. The governor of NY, angry eyes, still won't let doctors prescribe the drug if the patient is not hospitalized. What the ---- happened to the Left's bleating, "its a medical decision and should be between you and your doctor, not politicians." These people are sick, dangerous and need to be crushed along with their pals, the Chicoms.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 4/10/2020 1:46:36 PM (No. 375274)
Anecdotal is the new unnamed source.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Trump'sCousin 4/10/2020 2:34:33 PM (No. 375324)
Gotta say it, I'm watching the briefing again today. The endless rah rahing, thanking and urging patience is growing mighty thin. I'm tired of ppe counts, mask counts, who is being deployed where, praying, how cheap gas is, how great the Americans are for following tje new rules blah, blah blah
GET ON WITH IT FOR HEAVEN SAKE! People are sick of guidelines and warnings. I keep hearing we're almost there... well Let's see something. This simply has to end soon.
People are getting very restless and growing more suspicious by the day.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Kafka2 4/10/2020 2:48:47 PM (No. 375342)
Reply #2
The descending order is; liars, damn liars, and anti-Trumpers.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
Penney 4/10/2020 3:00:46 PM (No. 375353)
The dem pols & their media routinely dismiss the facts, which is why thinking truth seekers ignore the press.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 4/10/2020 4:44:42 PM (No. 375429)
Speaking as secretary for 7 attorneys, I can attest that most of the good and practicing attorneys in the states are NOT members of the ABA. It has several good points in its favor (I can't think of one, off hand) so it would stand to reason that the AMA and probably the ADA are exactly like the NEA (Nat'l Educ. Association) and are only a means of laundering membership fees for handing money over to the liberal causes among us.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
crashnburn 4/11/2020 11:11:06 AM (No. 376143)
So far, so good for my wife,MIL, and me. But if anyone of us gets COVID-19, it’s the HYC cocktail for us. I’d rather use a treatment that has high anecdotal positive results than use a ventilator with only a 20% survival rate.
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TDS ought to be painful!!