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We’ve been had and Trump knows it

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Posted By: Magnante, 3/28/2020 8:55:19 AM

While President Trump closed the US border against entry from China at the end of January, his overall instinct was right. The CCP virus was nasty, but no worse than a supercharged flu. Health professionals overwhelmed Trump and his inner circle with doomsday scenarios, bullied by panic obsessed virologists and epidemiologists -- begging for attention and copying the alarmist playbook from the climate/global warming extremists, allied with the MSM Trump-haters. And now the government has completely suffocated economic demand, creating a depression

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Reply 1 - Posted by: davew 3/28/2020 9:09:10 AM (No. 360650)
If it really wasn't any worse than flu Italy would not have had a 10 percent death rate. Social separation and Trump's travel ban saved thousands of deaths. Never underestimate any power law process.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: franq 3/28/2020 9:20:27 AM (No. 360671)
If you believe the reports, #1. That's the most revealing thing of this whole affair. They could say it was a 20 or 30% death rate for this flu and no one would be the wiser. And the reports have brought our country to a grinding halt, created bare shelves where toilet paper used to be, crashed the stock market, put millions out of work, and added $2 trillion to the national debt. But we get a stimulus check. What a relief.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rotten in Denmark 3/28/2020 9:30:29 AM (No. 360689)
Yes, but he had to play the game for awhile to allow the facts to overtake the histrionics of the rabid, hard core Leftists leafing us down their pathway.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: HotRod 3/28/2020 9:38:46 AM (No. 360698)
I still say that if it wasn't an election year, the response would be much different. The democrats and media have exploited the virus to the max. If President Trump had not taken the actions he is taking, the democrats and media would scream that every death was his personal fault. The print media and airwaves would be full of ''blood on his hands'' stories until election day! I think President Trump will make big corrections after the election, especially if we can get the House and keep the Senate. He will be immune from the democrats and their media!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: TLCary 3/28/2020 9:43:23 AM (No. 360709)
#1 Since the majority of people have no symptoms or they are so mild that they never get tested, it's impossible to know what the case fatality rate is. It must be far less than the confirmed tested to fatality rate. Most likely far less than 1%. A ratio requires two numbers. Without a denominator you don't have a ratio, you have a headline.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 3/28/2020 9:47:03 AM (No. 360716)
I've been saying all this from the beginning. How does a putz like me know this and others did not? But I agree Trump was forced to play this game.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: red1066 3/28/2020 9:55:32 AM (No. 360728)
Italy is a culture where the elderly generally live with the family. Recent news about the death toll in Italy indicates that the majority of the deaths are the elderly. Add in the fact that the sense of personal space is somewhat different than in the U.S. People stand closer to each other when speaking to each other. The six feet apart method would not work well in a culture such as Italy.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: TLCary 3/28/2020 9:55:57 AM (No. 360729)
A magical world where no one ever dies but for the current tragedy. Italy has second most geriatrically skewed populations on the planet. The percentages of their population that is at high risk to this virus looks nothing like ours, so why compare them? Since the majority of deaths occur in elderly patients with lung compromised conditions, we likely would have lost some of them, virus or not. Example: Hurricane Maria in Porto Rico was attributed to every death on the island but the annual death rate didn't budge a percentage point.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Venturer 3/28/2020 9:58:51 AM (No. 360731)
Trump was forced int the closings by the media and the politicians, and the Chicken Little's. There is no doubt of that. Unfortunately the media the politicians and the Chicken Little's will admit to no fault and when the time comes the blame will all be placed on the President. Meanwhile they run a old addled man with 2 brain surgeries and a heart that doesn't beat in the proper rythm for the highest office in the land.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Alecto2 3/28/2020 10:03:45 AM (No. 360736)
IMO we're in the midst of a coordinated world wide application of a Cloward-Pivan Strategy. Overload and collapse the system and then institute the Marxist utopian vision.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: bpl40 3/28/2020 10:11:19 AM (No. 360748)
Having watched PDT for three years, I have my doubts if he ever believed the radical doomsday scenarios. He gets daily confidential reports we are not privy to. His floater balloon that he would like to see the economy up and running by Easter was not off the cuff. Just look at the disbelief and ridicule it got from the usual suspects. Look at the detailed wish list Pelosi produced out of her hat. Look at the desperate attempts to cut direct contact and communication between the President and the People. All too convenient to be coincidental. Have faith. Providence will guide our President to the right path and right choices. But.. don't forget to vote in November. As they say "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition".
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Reply 12 - Posted by: starboard 3/28/2020 10:13:33 AM (No. 360751)
Disagree! I'm normally an optimist, however in a previous life I was registered medical technologist and studied immunology and microbiology. The Corona Virus is not an average flu. It's a highly virulent strain and if left uncontained it would sweep the country like locus and leave hundreds of thousands dead in its wake. There have been other deadly virus, like Polio, Small Pox in the not too distant past. Look what covid19 has done to NYC in one week. Spain has a very high mortality rate because they didn't take initial precautions...Italy the same. When this plague hits the Southern Hemishere where they are now in their Fall season and headed for Winter, if those countries are not prepared it will devastate them. A vaccine is critical to protect us from future invasions. This virus will not totally disappear. Every year we will now get our Flu and Virus shot. Thank God we have President Trump at the helm. He's a born leader. Every day when I watch him with his task force, I'm amazed at this stamina and relentless skill of leading our country. He's totally dedicated to this country. The left will continue to twist and turn and in the process the people can witness the truth from our President. The gloves are off. He won't take any guff from the media...they will be called out. Watching the demise of the media wallowing in their hate is a spectacle to behold. It's like watching an old Western movie. Remember how you felt when you saw the line Indians appear along on the mountain ridge to protect their homeland and people against the know there's a battle coming. I think of president Trump as our Crazy Horse, Geronimo or George Washington protecting us not only from the outbreak of the invisible enemy, but also from the bad hombres of the Calvary or the Red Coats.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Plex 3/28/2020 10:23:53 AM (No. 360766)
If it is so virulent how come seasonal flu cases and deaths are so much higher. In Arizona 2020 seasonal flu 23000 cases 1758 deaths vs CV flu 665 cases and 13 deaths.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Strike3 3/28/2020 10:26:35 AM (No. 360769)
One man's opinion - WRONG opinion. There are just as many in the other direction who claimed that President Trump did not do enough soon enough. I think he did just enough and the dictatorial actions we have seen from some democrat state governors and local authorities are the only overreactions. Theoretically, a one month complete shutdown should beat this bug back into its hiding place and that's just about what we have going. Our "hot spots" have the same conditions as Italy and Iran do, people living on top of each other with a good part of the population being morons who can't stay home or avoid personal contact.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: fayebeck 3/28/2020 10:27:05 AM (No. 360771)
I'm surprised that Comey, Brennan, the obamas and other dirtbags have not marched into the White House and set up shop. Most of us would just watch it all unfold on TV.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: janjan 3/28/2020 10:45:31 AM (No. 360787)
This is not a medical opinion but this looks a lot like a con job to me perpetrated by liberals in Washington desperately trying to tank the economy. They accomplished that beautifully. Democrat run urban centers are obviously hardest hit and least prepared. It does not matter what Trump does or does not do. Democrats/media will dump on him.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: shalimar 3/28/2020 11:01:55 AM (No. 360807)
I, too, was struck by the intensity of the reaction to CV as compared to seasonal flu. But then I looked up the hospitalization rate for each. That's when I realized that CV has the potential to have a far worse effect -- not necessarily measured in deaths but in the impact on the healthcare system. The hospitalization rate for seasonal flu is around 1%. For CV, it's more like 15%. I think this is what worries the Task Force -- too many people in the hospital at once, crushing the ability to take care of everyone who needs to be there. My state is essentially shut down even though my moderate sized county has had only two cases. I do wonder about the necessity to do this in more rural areas where the disease is very limited.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 3/28/2020 11:22:32 AM (No. 360830)
We are seeing fake news and junk science can go hand in hand. Fox news home page has corona virus numbers for the world and the United States. United States fatality rate is over 1%.and world fatality is over 4%. Can these numbers be trusted? Are they believable? Or are they being manufactured to suit someone's political purposes?
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DCGIRL 3/28/2020 11:51:14 AM (No. 360862)
There was a driving force behind this sham. Don't know what it is right now, but many people are starting to put the pieces together.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Italiano 3/28/2020 11:55:09 AM (No. 360866)
I buy this, and #2. #1, read up on the Italian health care system.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 3/28/2020 12:24:06 PM (No. 360893)
#2, Italy has over 150 deaths per million, there is definitely something very wrong going on there. In the US for common flu, typical numbers infected are 20-30 million people in a season. And typically 20-30,000 die, so the death rate is 0.1%. If 0.1% were the death rate in Italy, their 9,134 deaths so far would need to be part of a 9.1 million infection rate so far. They are saying that their total cases are under 90,000. So, is it reasonable to imagine that there are a touch over 9 million unreported cases....stated another way, is it reasonable to believe that only 1 case out of 100 has been identified in Italy -- that 99 cases out of every 100 cases are symptomless? That is difficult to believe.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Chuzzles 3/28/2020 12:26:36 PM (No. 360897)
I hope that the Left's stranglehold on the nation's emotional well being loosens up soon. I suspect that it is in many areas, and that is why the media is jumping ugly all over Trump right now, and Dr. Birx as well. Even the Brit Twit who came up with the half million deaths prediction model has been forced to walk his predictions back, way back.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 3/28/2020 12:31:23 PM (No. 360903)
If you think that Italy's actual death rate is about the 1.2% that the US is experiencing, their 9,134 deaths would have to be the result of 760,000 actually infected. They claim just under 90,000, so this would require them to have 670,000 low/no symptom cases. Or said another way, would require 88% no/low symptom cases. THAT doesn't seem too difficult to believe. If you guess that 75% of cases are no/low symptoms, then their 90,000 cases would mean 270,000 no/low symptom cases. That would move their death rate of 9,134 dead for (estimated) 360,000 infected, which is a 2.5% death rate. This may be the most believable scenario that I have come up with. Only a 2X the USA death percentage, but 75% no/low symptom uncounted cases.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Jane E 3/28/2020 1:16:24 PM (No. 360963)
The first case in the US happened Jan. 20th, and Italy’s first case was Jan. 29. It is likely that Italy had multiple infected people from China spreading the virus all at the same time. America has done a great job of slowing the spread and leading the way with medicines, equipment and vaccine research. We need to stay vigilant because Italy and Spain are experiencing hell in their hospitals and we don’t want to end up with numbers like they have- 5x worse than us. This is NOT the flu. I live in an extreme hotspot north of Seattle. On March 10 a group of 55-60 people very near my home met for chorale practice. This was before the governor outlawed meetings. Nobody hugged or shook hands. Everyone had a separate seat, in rows facing the piano. Now 27 out of that 55-60 have tested positive, 45 of this total are showing symptoms, one person has died, and several more are in the hospital! This is so contagious! Singing makes you exhale more air and you also suck air more deeply into your lungs, which may be one reason this group had such bad results.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 3/28/2020 1:31:46 PM (No. 360992)
This seems to be to be a crisis hyped by experts who confidently tell us that their data and models tell us THIS. They are speaking truthfully, that is what their models tell them. And, the models may even be reasonably correct. However, early data on infectious diseases is VERY incomplete. The numbers depend on a detailed and CORRECT measurement of people infected and death rates. NONE of that is locked down at the beginning. The experts should KNOW this but they don't want to talk about it because they are trying to drive their agenda because it MIGHT get really bad and they want us prepared for the worst. Such experts never consider the question of, "At what cost?".For an absurd example, suppose the cost to be fully prepared for a pandemic was $5 trillion dollars. Would we spend that much to be ready for a worst case scenario that might never happen? No. Yet the experts would encourage us to because THAT is the problem they are trying to solve. Experts have a narrow focus. Trump is a master at knowing all the angles. He projected confidence and hope that it would pass. As numbers started coming in, as unreliable as he knew they were, panic started and he had to deal with it. We had to be prepared as best we could be. As it got worse worldwide, stronger action needed to be taken and we get the shutdowns, although Trump left that in the hands of individual governors. Now, the numbers are still coming in and the last couple days are showing a slight flattening. It's not enough to justify opening everything up in 2 weeks but maybe by the beginning of May. Meanwhile, the impact and cost of shutting things down is rising and is the counter weight to the need to manage the virus. PEOPLE are suffering financial damage broadly and in some cases more severely than they would from the virus. The right thing to do isn't either/or, it's threading the needle between the two. Like it or not there will be some financial damage and some sickness and death. Trump is seeking a viable balance between both. Suffering cannot be fully avoided but maybe it can be equalized and minimized.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: or gate 3/28/2020 2:19:59 PM (No. 361054)
President Trump had to play their silly game. Now he is giving it back to the other side.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: whyyeseyec 3/28/2020 3:27:25 PM (No. 361109)
Regardless, it's a bit suspicious all this virus nonsense went down less than a week after impeachment failed. It also took away any talk of the presidential coup d'etat conspirators. Is the DOJ even pursuing these govt criminals anymore or did they never start??
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Foghorn 3/28/2020 8:22:36 PM (No. 361233)
You have this right. There is no positive news from the media, particularly from TV media. It's all Trump's fault and he isn't doing the right thing to combat the coronavirus. The information from the scientists on coronavirus and the global warming slant reports to support their political position, not the absolute facts.
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After passing the largest economic relief bill in history, Congress is now considering staying away from Washington for a month or more as the coronavirus makes even the routine act of legislating a dangerous risk for new transmissions. Officially, Congress is scheduled to come back on April 20 as lawmakers try to avoid traveling and congregating amid the raging crisis and as they plot a potential fourth phase of economic relief. Unofficially, it could take even longer for Congress to physically come back into session. And longer still for things to return to anywhere near normal on Capitol Hill, where
Woman Who Blamed Trump for Husband’s
Death Is Prolific Donor to Democrats
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Posted by ladydawgfan 3/31/2020 8:30:25 AM Post Reply
The Arizona woman who blamed President Trump for her 68-year-old husband’s death after he ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks, is a Democrat who has donated thousand of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates, the Washington Free Beacon has found. Although local and national media outlets withheld the couple’s names, the Washington Free Beacon established their identities through descriptions in local news reports, where the pair were identified by their first names and ages: Gary, 68, and Wanda, 61. The Free Beacon is withholding their identities at Wanda’s request. The couple took chloroquine phosphate—a different and deadly form of the chloroquine drug touted by Trump—
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