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Stop slow-walking synthetic vaccines!
Our bureaucracy is killing us!

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Posted By: DVC, 3/22/2020 6:01:00 PM

The world is entering an economic recession and health crisis partly due to the continuing lack of imagination and capability among experts in the bureaucracy. Perhaps these supposed experts are suffering from a disease first named by C. Northcote Parkinson several decades ago: injelitance or the rise to power of incompetents who are skilled only in the arts of preventing problems from being solved by the capable. The now legendary failure of the CDC to manage the task of developing an effective test for the virus is being compounded by the efforts of state and federal government bureaucrats to block Americans

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Is this just bureaucratic inertia? This is a very interesting technical difference between old fashioned vaccines which used some process to "attenuate", or cripple, the actual virus for a vaccine, compared to modern synthesis methods. The old method might result in a vaccine causing the disease.
Unless there is some "Yeah, but..." that is legitimate, it seems that synthetic vaccines could be pushed to use much sooner in a pandemic where people are dying.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: lakerman1 3/22/2020 6:18:01 PM (No. 354524)
salk deserves most of the credit for conquering polio. sabin was a sniper, condemning Salk, alleging the Salk vaccine was unsafe. in fact, Sabin's oral vaccine caused polio in third world countries, because the virus was pooped out, causing the disease for too many. There was a huge conflict within the scientific community. Those guys can be dangerous in the midst of those political battles. Jonas Salk deserved a nobel prize in medicine, didn't get it - shut out by his colleagues.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: davew 3/22/2020 6:27:28 PM (No. 354534)
I would defer to the medical research experts but there are some immutable laws of biology that can't be circumvented because of the urgent need for a virus. In developing immunotherapies to cure cancer the researchers used a standard measure of tumor shrinkage to determine effectiveness. When the tumors didn't shrink during clinical trials like they did with chemotherapy they declared the drugs to be failures. What they didn't realized is that the immune system has its own time table and if they had waited a month or so they would have seen the entire tumor suddenly dissolve in hours when the immune system put all the pieces together. This instant remission had never been seen with chemo. Vaccines are actually must simpler and less dangerous than turning the immune system on to attack body cells but they can have unanticipated immune response problems that may not be apparent until data is available over a longer period. The medical experts need to proceed with due diligence but they must respect the biological clock and not the political and social one.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: justavoter 3/22/2020 6:30:40 PM (No. 354537)
I am firmly convinced this is all part of the plan. Trash the economy before the election by any means possible. The deep State has figured out a way to appease the President by looking like they are doing big things, such as spending us into oblivion, and at the same time dragging their feet on the things that will do some real good. They did it to Bush 41, they did it to Bush 43, and they are doing it to Trump.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Geoman 3/22/2020 6:37:32 PM (No. 354539)
Re: OP - I don't think this is bureaucratic inertia at all; it appears, by Fauci's own prior statements, to be a concerted lobby-driven deep state effort to stop the use of preventative or curative substances in lieu of helping the politically chosen among big Pharma to develop new, patented drugs that can enrich the exclusive developer, who then throws crumbs to the government entities who facilitate their caper. Fauci said earlier today that his focus is on de novo development of new drugs, as he slammed the science behind the drugs shown to be effective. Is Fauci so political as to be an agent of our economy's demise while Americans suffer and die in ever increasing numbers? Nothing he does points to the contrary which is why the media touts him as the voice of all scientific reason, going as far as calling for the president to shut up while Fauci controls both the administration's message and implements his own glacial approach to developing a vaccine and /or cure.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 3/22/2020 7:13:31 PM (No. 354576)
Back to my first boss' reminder. He said, "Don't assume malice in events which could be equally explained by mere incompetence. Incompetence is several hundred times more common that actual malice." I tend to believe this more the older I get. Lots of stuff that "they had to do that intentionally" is because some people really are incredibly stupid, lazy and incompetent. Lots and lots of examples out there. Maybe Fauci is trying to jigger things, but maybe he is just a lifetime bureaucrat and cannot see things any other way.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: NotaBene 3/23/2020 2:01:06 AM (No. 354763)
Accelerate vaccines but administer hydroxy-Chloroquine to all right now. We need to go back to work. The paralyzing of the economy is stupid, except if you are a Socialist-Democrat.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 3/23/2020 10:57:17 AM (No. 355082)
My cellular biologist professor friend verified that synthetic virus fragment type vaccines are much safer, but re-iterated that most don't actually work, so many have to be tried.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Skeptical1 3/23/2020 11:08:11 AM (No. 355099)
They ask us to get a flu shot every year, even though it may not be effective against whatever that year's strain of flu happens to be. So in the current emergency, why get so hung up on efficacy? Blast through the phase 1 trials, give the vaccine to whoever wants it, and then prepare to offer a more proven vaccine next year
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