How the House lost the witness
battle along with impeachment
The Hill [DC],
by
Jonathan Turley
Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter,
2/2/2020 8:38:48 AM
NBC host Chuck Todd recently asked guests on his show if supporters of President Trump just want to be lied to. It is a question that many in the media would never ask about Democrats, even in the face of overtly false claims. This week is an example. After the Senate rejected witnesses and effectively ended the impeachment trial on Friday, the media ignored the primary reason for the defeat, which is the insistence of House leaders to impeach Trump by Christmas. Critics of the president simply do not want to hear that the blind rush to impeach guaranteed not only an acquittal but an easy case for acquittal.
If the house had doing their job, fairly and hearing from witnesses on both sides, it would’ve opened up the Socialists to having more lights shown on their illegal activities...
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
lawdoc 2/2/2020 8:57:45 AM (No. 304915)
Turley is way off on this one. They didn't lose because of tactics. They lost because their case, even had they taken the time to prove it, was not impeachable. Pundits always want to assume its all a game of tactics, but often, as here, it's the facts that matter. And here, the fact that matters is this was an attempted coupe by the deep state against the president because they hate him for not submitting to it.
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Turkey is living on assumptions. He’s assuming Bolton has something to say that’s believable and provable. His henchman also.
Trump never wanted Bolton. I’m sure he was pressured to hire Bolton. They clashed from the beginning and Bolton was fired. You think there isn’t a California sized crop of sour grapes Bolton is desperate to see harvested?
I don’t doubt that President Trump wants the Biden’s investigated for corruption. They need to be. Desperately. I don’t care that the lying old weasel is running for President or not. He’s a crook.
Quid pro quo is how the world is run. Always has been. It’s not a crime.
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Stinking auto-correct. Turley.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
HotRod 2/2/2020 9:22:20 AM (No. 304932)
The democrats lost for the same reason Hillary lost: They didn't do the job properly. Now, like Hillary, they want to blame others. They really are children...
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
janjan 2/2/2020 9:40:01 AM (No. 304945)
Turley’s argument seems to be that if the House had worked on it long enough they would have found something to stick. In the words of Nancy Pelosi ‘they had 22 months’. Zero evidence was presented that Trump at anytime held up aid to Ukraine in exchange for a Biden investigation nor did he in fact do that. Bolton’s testimony would have been that he was ‘thinking about it’ thus making thought crimes impeachable. I doubt that the Senate wanted to embarrass themselves with this revelation.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
HammerDax56 2/2/2020 9:49:41 AM (No. 304950)
Trump Derangement Syndrome has now surpassed tulip mania as a popular delusion.
It’s a disease.
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Impeachment is all politics and its calculations. No one ever projected close to the number of "guilty" votes to actually remove PDT...no one. It was an operation to sully PDT headed into the election cycle, possibly disable or end his re-election campaign.
Had PDT's numbers slipped during the "trial" you would have seen several GOPe Senators clamor and vote for witnesses to drag out the show and further damage the President's re-election bid. In fact, had they slumped low enough, there would be a Senator imediately after announcing his primary campaign for the Republican nomination "to end this nation's leadership nightmare." The problem is that PDT hit the "campaign trail" with his rallies, drawing huge crowds in packed houses and national television audiences, and his positive numbers actually grew. Everyone on the Hill knows how to count votes. The impeachment ploy failed.
On to the next Acme/Wile E. Coyote plot.
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Next time (and there will be a next time, until they lose majority in the house), the prosecution should not walk into court and demand that the jury get to the facts of their case for them.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Strike3 2/2/2020 10:28:40 AM (No. 304990)
We won a battle that should have been a rout. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney, names that will live in infamy, only needed two more spoilers to join them. In spite of three years of obvious lies and fabrication, a secret coven of democrats casting spells under the Capitol and obviously insane demons running the cult, these two ambitious idiots turned their backs on the side that they swore to support. Romney must have some third party trick up his sleeve but I don't think even his family will support him with it. Hatred is a terrible cancer. As for Collins, she is just an evil elite nobody who hungers to see her name in print and could not possibly be elected by the normal residents of Maine. We will have a lot of house cleaning to do after November but we will have the guy in the Oval Office who can get it done.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
chumley 2/2/2020 10:55:02 AM (No. 305022)
What they did manage to accomplish is that, when the house is the opposing party, an impeachment committee will be formed on inauguration day and will be pursued throughout the president's term. Our republic is dissolving before our eyes and the ones in the best position to stop it don't seem to be willing to.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 2/2/2020 11:18:47 AM (No. 305050)
Turdley simply does not have the guts to come out of the political closet.
He's smart enough to know that the demonrats abandoned him years ago - - but not courageous enough to walk away from the invitations to their cocktail parties and seminars.
He's a pathetic wimp.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 2/2/2020 11:45:57 AM (No. 305070)
The House did not do an honest job out of the original impeachment hearings. Instead they allowed Pelosi to walk all over our constitution, and then Schiffty and Nadless to finish the job. This was an impeachment farce, a hoax based all on their hurt feelings that they lost instead of the nation suffering through a Hildabeest presidency.
They compounded the problem by insulting the senators, accusing them of being unfair among other things. Lying to the faces of the senators like Schiffty and Nadless did, they treated their colleagues like fools, then expected them to finish the job that they should have done themselves in the first place.
This was thoroughly dishonest on the part of House democrats, a farce and circus presented as being truth. When truth was the farthest thing from their minds. They cooked this up as an attack on the American people, for having the gall to hire an actual president who has a clue, not somebody corrupt like Hildabeest.
If I was as insulted by Schiffty, saying that the American voters could not be trusted at the ballot box in November, how many other voters were as thoroughly disgusted? Taking our prosperity, our jobs, our very right to vote, is the height of tyranny, all on the part of the democrats.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Shmowry1 2/2/2020 11:56:11 AM (No. 305082)
What is truly scary is that we have entered a time where for impeachment purposes, it doesn’t matter what the “crime” is. All that matters is that democrats control the house and senate. Then it doesn’t matter what the articles say or what president trump does. They will impeach him solely because they have the votes and no other reason.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Smart11344 2/2/2020 12:41:53 PM (No. 305113)
Simple, they are all idiot losers, with an overflow of manure and lies coming out of the pie holes.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 2/2/2020 1:22:08 PM (No. 305143)
Turley is dancing on the head of a pin. A little this bit of this or that and Turley thinks they might have won. That's what the dems have done since Trump was elected. Suppose this, suppose that, that's a bombshell, the wall's are closing in, ... EXCEPT none of it has yielded anything. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
The reality is that Trump has done nothing serious wrong. Certainly nothing impeachable. They don't like that he has been so successful and that there is nothing they have been able to do about it. So they have hissy fits and went as far as to torturously corrupt the impeachment process over something as silly as dropping a piece of paper on the White House lawn. The whole process was wrong from the start and there was no way to make it appreciably better.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna 2/2/2020 2:21:43 PM (No. 305178)
Pelosi's Razor: 'All else being equal, the solution set equals that idea which is most complex and convoluted, includes the most variables, flies in the face of available evidence and is promulgated by the largest and most corrupt bureaucracy.
It's called Communism and it 'works' every time.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Salt5792 2/2/2020 2:52:18 PM (No. 305188)
Acquittal was never in doubt. No way 20 Republican senators would vote to convict.
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