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The Iowa Dad Is Wrong. Paying
People Back Who Had Paid for
College Wouldn’t Be Fair Enough.

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Posted By: Pluperfect, 1/27/2020 5:03:26 AM

During Elizabeth Warren’s campaign stop in Iowa on Monday, a man asked the presidential hopeful whether her student-loan debt-forgiveness plan would also reimburse people who had already paid for school. “My daughter is getting out of school,” he told Warren, while standing in her (what else!) selfie line. “I’ve saved all my money.” “She doesn’t have any student loans,” he continued. “Am I going to get my money back?” Warren immediately replied: “Of course not.” The man, unsurprisingly, was not satisfied with her answer. “So you’re going to pay for people who didn’t save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed?” he said.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: ZeldaFitzg 1/27/2020 5:10:31 AM (No. 299221)
Excellent clear explanation of the problem. One feature of socialism is paying for someone else's irresponsible decisions.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 1/27/2020 5:50:58 AM (No. 299239)
"talking about this issue only in terms of money truly minimizes the fact that, really, it’s about so much more." So true. In fact, it can sum up the individual's decisions made over a lifetime. To try to examine all that and determine who "deserves" to get "repaid" and who doesn't is an impossible task. That's why liberals don't want to judge and always go to outcomes. At THIS moment in time, you don't have the money to pay for whatever, so the government should help you. The fact that you just got back from a Los Vegas vacation and blew $100,000 gambling or blew $10,000 every year for the last 2 years is of no importance. The government is going to take MY money, that I have because I did NOT blow it in Los Vegas, and give it to you. In fact, a lot of decisions the government gets involved in are based on the current OUTCOME and are totally unfair. For example, why is a White person hired instead of a Black Person? Or why is a man promoted instead of a woman? These situations can extend beyond the individual. Why is one area given a government grant but another area excluded? Or why are women's salaries collectively lower than men's? In each case, there can be many good reasons why the outcome resolved as it did and NOT the often implied "bias". However, it takes careful examination and judgement of the history of all involved, something the government is not good at and is NOT interested in doing. And the results when the government makes simple decisions based on outcomes? It undermines the good behaviors that society would like to see carried out. Why bother to save for college when the government will pay for it all? All those lessons of delayed gratification to EARN money to pay for something build character, brick by brick. No lessons, no character. In fact, not having the lessons of struggle and perseverance to have to pay for it, a student may not have the character and mindset to succeed in college. Citizens carried on the backs of government are enslaved by the experience and will never experience the full richness of life of independent effort and the rewards of individual accomplishment. THAT is why Socialism always fails and why a dem party lusting for paying off voters with government handouts is dangerous and does not deserve our consideration or our votes.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: maryann4629 1/27/2020 6:11:45 AM (No. 299244)
Why don't the PTB understand that the reason college has become so outrageously expensive is GOVERNMENT MONEY??? College costs would plummet if students and/or their parents had to actually foot the bill. Instead, colleges charge whatever they want--so they can hire scores of (useless) administrators, and pay ridiculously high salaries *cough*LizWarren*cough*. Meanwhile, gullible students buy the lie that they neeeeeed a college degree, and borrow whatever they have to in order to get it. Back before there was so much $$$ available, it was entirely possible for a student to put him/herself through college with part-time and summer jobs, and end up owing little or nothing. The lucky ones were those whose parents were willing to pay--and if a college charged more than the parents wanted to pay, there were plenty of others that wouldn't. In other words, colleges were responsive to their market. If this foolish plan is ever enacted, costs will multiply and students will borrow more and more, knowing that their debt can be cancelled--er, um, transferred to the taxpayers by some vote-buying politician.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: 4Justice 1/27/2020 6:37:53 AM (No. 299257)
All great comments!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: JrSample 1/27/2020 7:43:28 AM (No. 299287)
This is nothing compared to Warren's "Medicare-for-all" scheme. All of us who have held jobs have paid into Medicare our entire working lives with the understanding that it would help us pay for our medical bills when we get too old to work. Now, Warren wants to include everyone; people who have not paid one dime into the program and even people in the country illegally. So, under Warren's scheme some skinny illiterate campeseno can wade across the Rio Grand go to a hospital in Del Rio and his costs are covered by medicare, using the money that we have all paid into the system over our adult working lives. She is very generous with other peoples' money.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bur Oak 1/27/2020 7:48:04 AM (No. 299292)
Senator Warren thinks everyone should lie and cheat just like she does.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Rather Read 1/27/2020 8:04:54 AM (No. 299311)
When my daughter went to college, we were determined that she not be burdened with debt. She had a small grant since I didn't make all that much and we set up a plan. She took morning classes and then worked part time in the afternoon, and I worked full time and part time. I would go to work at my full time job. Get there at 7:30 am and get off at 4:30pm then leave for my part time job where I'd work till 9:30pm. I'd also work on weekends. I did that for four years and still marvel how I got through it. But she graduated with no debt and a degree in business that has served her well.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: hammondb3 1/27/2020 8:12:59 AM (No. 299318)
#3, I went to Georgia State University from 1976 - 1980. My classes started out at 15.00 per quarter hour and when I was in my last year that had risen to 18.00. A 15 hour load was 270.00 plus something like 40.00 for a student activity fee. I never spent more than 1000.00/year for courses and books.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: ROLFNader 1/27/2020 8:46:05 AM (No. 299340)
At first, I considered the "Plumber Joe" tag to be just another example of the laziness of the media( which they usually deserve) but I believe it may well be the demise of Warren's candidacy. The original "Joe" story involved a candidate who had a bulletproof melanin vest while Lizzie reminds most people of an even 'whinier and bossier' version of Hillary Clinton.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: cor-vet 1/27/2020 9:12:56 AM (No. 299370)
I don't understand Fauxahontas' reluctance to pay this man back, when she and every other passenger in the clown car, think the American taxpayer should pay reparations to the possible descendent of slaves. The Iowa father has a much stronger case than the welfare mother with a half dozen dependents or their baby daddies.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All 1/27/2020 9:17:43 AM (No. 299375)
You are so right #1. And abortion fits right into that mindset where some one else pays for your poor decisions and lack of planning. At least in the case of college tuition only money is involved, but the underlying driver is identical.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All 1/27/2020 9:20:30 AM (No. 299377)
And if you think college tuition is high now, just wait until the sluices are opened and all that "free" government money comes pouring out unimpeded. If there more money is available the universities will find ways to spend it.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: HotRod 1/27/2020 10:07:34 AM (No. 299433)
Warren is pandering to the young voters. She knows that college can never be free. For one thing, there isn't enough money- even by ''taxing the rich.'' For another, the administrators and professors would soon find their salaries and perks decreasing, because the government would now have a new source for cutting funds. They would move on to other jobs, and the faculties would degrade. Further, the government would have to take over maintenance of the buildings and grounds, provision of utilities, security, and all the rest. Lizzie is lying to the young people to get their vote, then she will move on. She has already shown her true colors, so anyone who believes her is a fool!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Plex 1/27/2020 10:27:03 AM (No. 299449)
Warren's reference to the start of Social Security exposes her ignorance. SS was started as a savings program with benefits based on mandatory contributions. No benefits were available at the start of the program. No one was treated unfairly.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: jacksin5 1/27/2020 10:46:06 AM (No. 299479)
And just what courses would the students be signing up for with their "Free" tuition? Due to good grades, my Grand-daughter was allowed to take an Honors course in Philosophy. The course uses episodes of Star Trek- The Next Generation, and various cartoons as study guides. When I was in Junior High, we studied the Greek and Roman Philosophers first, then went on to the Rennasance. Whether or not a robot could be considered human was not brought up.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: KatieJo 1/27/2020 1:16:46 PM (No. 299612)
She's absolutely right. I also worked very hard and sacrificed to get through college with my husband's support. It is something I am proud of, I look back with a certain fondness on those difficult days. We further diminish these young people by handing them even more things they don't have to work for. You don't really appreciate anything you don't work for.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: RedWhite&Blue2 1/27/2020 1:44:46 PM (No. 299633)
Kat Timpf? From Gutfeld show on Saturday night? Really?
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