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It's not a coup. It's a civil war.

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Posted By: Magnante, 12/13/2019 6:05:04 AM

Lately, it's been convenient — and self-serving to some — to call what is going on with the Trump administration a coup. It's a "soft coup" or a "silent coup" or a wish-it-were-a-coup. (snip) When a group, no matter how large or small, decides it wants to step beyond the constitutional means for changing the government and change it to fit their own ideals of government, and superimpose those ideals on everybody else, we .a true conflict (snip) and so they decide to overthrow it and replace it with their own views or ideas, we have a war.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Deety 12/13/2019 6:20:13 AM (No. 260688)
If the Dims continue to successfully shred the rule of law in the legislative branch, their treason will end up in the judiciary - from there, if their corruption goes deep enough, it (the coup) ultimately becomes a military crisis. We assume the Trump Administration understands full well who the enemy is and what the stakes are.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: dolphin 12/13/2019 7:15:11 AM (No. 260713)
No. It's an Uncivil War.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: walcb 12/13/2019 7:28:54 AM (No. 260721)
FTA: "As Khrushchev said, our nation will fall from within ("Your own working class will bury you," 1963), and communists will prevail as a result. That is what we are witnessing: a civil war, not a coup." I agree, sort of. Presently it appears the working class are the ones fighting against communism. I would say it is the free stuff crowd combined with the ruling/elite class against the working class.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: pros7767 12/13/2019 8:24:37 AM (No. 260762)
One of the biggest problems we have is that both the Dems and Republicans pick their candidates to support in the primaries which makes them beholden to the party and eventually to the donors. We have been lucky with a few like Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz but overall, the parties control the candidates. That's why President Trump is such a breath of fresh air. He's beholden to no one except WTP who put him there.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: GO3 12/13/2019 8:26:57 AM (No. 260764)
I don't agree with his premise that tanks would not roll down the streets of DC. Maybe not streets of DC at all but what about main street USA? Yes, maybe I'm exaggerating, but the pooh-poohing of a shooting war is wearing blinders. Crises response is scaled in the US. First local police, then state police, then National Guard, then Federal forces if the governor requests it. Not out of the realm of possibilities. Who will lead active duty forces? Think about this. Since the Vindman incident, we have heard nothing, nada from his military chain of command as to his fate. The Army and the Joint Chief's silence is deafening. I believe many of the hierarchy think of themselves as above the crowd of deplorables and rubes who hold to traditional values and the constitution. Will not one of them make a statement about Vindman to the American people? Their continued hiding within the walls of the Pentagon will only confirm the worst.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: bpl40 12/13/2019 8:29:09 AM (No. 260768)
Its not Trump but 63 million legal voters who supported him that are the real target. Even after Trump exits the scene (hopefully after 01/20/25) the war will go on. Get ready. IMO a team of Pompei/Don Jr. will be a good successor.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Clinger 12/13/2019 8:30:25 AM (No. 260771)
Brilliant article. I have moved from coup to Open Rebellion as my description. FTA: "Note that the purpose of the Constitution is to limit the power of government and the tyranny of the majority. But it also makes us a nation of laws, not votes alone. A majority cannot vote to expel all people who are from a certain nation or of a certain religion. Majority alone does not rule. A majority must first conform to the rule of law. These civil warriors seek to negate that premise and foist upon us their own view, whether we like it or not." Many people get the limits on government part but the protection against the Tyranny of the majority escapes many. Our constitutional inalienable "negative" rights cannot be voted away by 51%. In the world of positive rights, your neighbor must provide for your healthcare etc. the majority rules with tyrannical unlimited power. We are seeing the left simply refuse to comply with our constitutional covenant to coexist with respect for everybody's inalienable rights. They are driving us toward the common practices of the past turning their backs on the grand experiment that created the greatest quality of life for everybody. Not to mention the most benevolence toward other nations we chose to lift up rather than crush when we had a monopoly on the greatest military power in history.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: hammondb3 12/13/2019 8:42:54 AM (No. 260789)
The last line of the article attributed to Kruschev is almost exactly wrong... It will NOT be America's working class that buries us. It will be America's NON-working class - those on welfare, those in academia who live in a deeply flawed and highly insulated state of intellectual isolationism, and those in Hollywood who achieved their station in life due to good looks and a lack of inhibitions. America's workers are not stupid.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Krause 12/13/2019 9:11:20 AM (No. 260811)
It is an intentional uprising of the lawless against the State, needing to be put down, permanemtly.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/13/2019 9:13:01 AM (No. 260813)
I hope it remains relatively non-violent.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: SpentPenny 12/13/2019 9:20:38 AM (No. 260821)
The new Virginia governor is already threatening to use the National Guard to confiscate legally held weapons from citizens. If that should materialize we cannot stand by and quote the Constitution, else we are no better than George Will.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 12/13/2019 9:33:55 AM (No. 260841)
Here is something from the article with which I totaly disagree - - "A relative handful of people would superimpose their views as a minority onto the will of the majority because they believe themselves to be smarter, better, and more correct." Absolutely not. They don't conspire because they believe they're smarter. They conspire because they know they're NOT smarter. Their underlying sense of inferiority clashes with their desire to be superior - - and leads them to become evil. These are insecure, corrupt people - - who turn to crime because it's all they can do.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: HotRod 12/13/2019 9:48:14 AM (No. 260858)
A bloodless war is not possible as long as we have corrupt lawyers and judges. For some reason, their actions and pronouncements are taken as inviolate. They are just as biased and corrupt as other government employees and officials, and they must not be off-limits for investigation and prosecution!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Strike3 12/13/2019 9:53:25 AM (No. 260868)
#5, there are militias all over this country made up of military-trained people and they outnumber anything the National Guard or the military can throw out there. Their first priority is freedom and it's backed up by the Second Amendment. Personally I believe that most of the Armed Forces or the NG would refuse orders to attack their own neighbors over this impeachment scandal. If the vote goes the wrong way and they attempt to remove the President, Congress will be the first target. I hope they have safe and quick transportation to that underground facility in West Virginia where they would scramble to hide like the cowardly weasels that they are. If war were to become widespread there would be millions dead. However, full Civil War would see Russia and/or China jumping in to take advantage of a country that could no longer defend itself from outside so it would be lights out for everybody. There is a reason why there has been intense focus on disarming civilians, Congress knows the outcome so let's hope they think before they vote.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: chumley 12/13/2019 10:03:57 AM (No. 260885)
I read until I saw his definition of civil war. In an attempt to sound academic he is dumbing down the language and using the wrong word. It is not a war until large numbers of people are fighting and being killed or injured. Its looking more and more like that will happen, but it hasn't happened yet. A coup does not need violence. A war does.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Maggie2u 12/13/2019 10:07:40 AM (No. 260892)
Well, we could have a civil, civil war. Split the country as equally as possible, debts, credits etc. In one country could be all the normal, decent, patriotic, hardworking God-fearing Americans and in the other country would be all the democrats.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Foghorn 12/13/2019 11:35:09 AM (No. 260987)
We, the USA, is beginning to look like a third world country. All we need now is for the legislature to ask Putin to come in and take over the oil industry and we'd be like Venezuela in a few months. The socialist is a danger to the country because they will do away with the Constitution as Warren has promised to just do away with some of the Articles. You can't just do that without the approval of the legislature, but she would make it an executive order and fight.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 12/13/2019 3:39:09 PM (No. 261261)
It is sedition, pure and simple. 150 years ago it's leaders would have been hanged. Now, they run for the presidency.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 12/13/2019 5:27:21 PM (No. 261391)
And AG Barr had better start taking down a bunch of them before we decide that the Committees of Vigilance were a really good idea.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 12/13/2019 6:09:35 PM (No. 261434)
Not sure there are two clearly defined sides for a Civil War. Especially in our government. Its not clear how many allies Trump has in government. The people in government are supposed to be our leaders. There are far too many in government that a majority of people would never actually follow.
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