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You don't have to break a law to be
impeached. Trump's defenders need
a better argument.

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Posted By: Moritz55, 10/28/2019 11:03:08 AM

The tactics some Republicans are using to defend President Donald Trump against being impeached (or indicted) by the House and convicted (or removed from office) by the Senate include confusing the public about what these terms mean. One thrust is to suggest that for a president to be impeached, he must have committed a crime.


The next line of attack. Since they have nothing, they have to create something. Of course, by this standard, Obama could have been impeached and removed many times over.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: heartsurgeon 10/28/2019 11:07:10 AM (No. 219935)
This sure sounds like an admission that the President didn't break any laws. Reminds me of when Dan Rather admitted the memos were fake, but the information was real. Or, like Trump colluded with Russians, even though $45 milllion later, no collusion established.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Flyball Dogs 10/28/2019 11:09:38 AM (No. 219938)
We are on the outskirts (and can see the city lights) of The Twilight Zone.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney 10/28/2019 11:17:30 AM (No. 219949)
No, Trump supporters don't need a better argument. Our President is the greatest ever, and he is going to be President through 2024, maybe 2032, like Roosevelt.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 10/28/2019 11:27:13 AM (No. 219968)
She is admitting by default that Trump has not comitted a crime. This is a coup d'etat.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: HammerDax56 10/28/2019 11:27:42 AM (No. 219970)
Writer is channeling Pelosi.”we ain’t got nothing but we’re gonna find something.”
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Reply 6 - Posted by: OMGtherageisreal 10/28/2019 11:28:34 AM (No. 219973)
Are you kidding me?! I just read the article and they actually refer to Nixon using the IRS as a weapon against his "enemies"... As I recall Obama did exactly that and Lerner got an all skate pass too... Obummer never got close to being impeached, let alone being actually held accountable for numerous abuses of power!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Scribelus 10/28/2019 11:35:41 AM (No. 219984)
Bullfeathers! “High crimes and misdemeanors” is without significance? Not in my Constitution!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Boston Federalist 10/28/2019 11:42:01 AM (No. 219997)
United States Constitution, Article II, Section 4: "The President...shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Elizabeth, those reasons for removal and impeachment are called crimes (yes, including high...misdemeanors). The Constitution says that. I know you hate the Constitution, and would revoke it and every one of the Bill of Rights if you could, but that's what it says.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: TJM 10/28/2019 11:42:23 AM (No. 219999)
I thought USA Today had gone out of business
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Reply 10 - Posted by: CEP 10/28/2019 12:29:13 PM (No. 220048)
"The Constitution gives Congress the authority to impeach and remove "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" upon a determination that such officers have engaged in treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. ..." Aren't those things because they have broken a law???? You can't impeach a President or anyone because you don't like them.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Mass Minority 10/28/2019 12:29:36 PM (No. 220050)
#6, Nixon only talked about using the IRS to smoke out his enemies, he never acted on it.. Obama acted on it.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: bighambone 10/28/2019 12:44:32 PM (No. 220062)
The House Democrats are misusing their Constitutional authority to essentially overturn the 2016 election by impeaching the President for taking effective action to see that a foreign country receiving a large amount of US foreign aid cooperates with the US Department of Justice that is conducting an official criminal investigation into Americans being involved in corrupt activities. In the specific case involving Joe Biden and his son. When Joe Biden was Obama’s point man to hand out a huge amount of US foreign aid to Ukraine, that was originally US taxpayer’s money. Joe Biden’s son was given a high level well paying job with a Ukrainian energy company for which he had no expertise. That Ukrainian energy company was being investigated at the time for corruption by a particular prosecutor in Ukraine, who was a threat to Biden’s son and his well paying position at that company. Joe Biden has since publicly admitted that he told the Ukrainian Government to fire that particular prosecutor if they wanted a billion dollars in US foreign aid. The prosecutor was then fired, and Ukraine was given the foreign aid. The question should rightly be, how much of that US foreign aid went to the Ukrainian energy company and then into Biden’s son’s pockets? Clearly the Democrats don’t care about, and are attempting to defect from that Biden corruption scheme, and now since Biden is a failing Democrat Presidential candidate, the Democrats are attempting to project Biden’s corrupt dealing in Ukraine fraudulently upon President Trump, and are seeking to impeach Trump for essentially requesting the Ukrainian Government to cooperate with the US Department of Justice in their conduct of a legitimate criminal investigation.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 10/28/2019 1:32:45 PM (No. 220121)
Well, no, I guess the president DOESN'T have to break a law to be impeached, but we don't call that "impeachment." We call that "overthrowing the government," and it doesn't sit too well with those of us in fly-over country.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Jethro bo 10/28/2019 1:34:12 PM (No. 220125)
But when Clinton and DID break the law with prejury, USA Today and most all Kneepad Media screamed it was an unimpeachable offense. So laws don't matter when it comes to Democrats (nothing unusual there) but feelings matter when it comes to Rebublicans. USA should be ashamed of its hypocrisy but of course, will never be.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Maggie2u 10/28/2019 1:49:27 PM (No. 220139)
Poster #14, you have to remember, innocent until proven Republican.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: msjena 10/28/2019 2:00:46 PM (No. 220149)
What is the meaning, then, of treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors? Nixon was accused of obstruction of justice, a crime. Clinton was accused of perjury and obstruction, crimes. Where is the precedent for impeaching a President based on policy or personal characteristics? Those are exactly the things voters are supposed to assess. I think the Senate could dismiss the charges if they are based on non-criminal acts.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: msjena 10/28/2019 2:04:55 PM (No. 220154)
Sorry to post again, but the impeachment charges against Nixon were never voted on. So he was never impeached for something that was not a crime (or for anything). Other articles of impeachment against him were crimes.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: bpl40 10/28/2019 2:10:00 PM (No. 220159)
There is a way to settle noncriminal differences. It is called elections.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 10/28/2019 2:10:25 PM (No. 220161)
I think the best argument, Miss Drew is, you don't impeach a President because you hate him. There actually should be some offenses you can put a name to and give the American people the list of those offenses, not just some fuzzy "we don't like this guy because he doesn't hold his pinkie out when he drinks his tea" excuse. Being rough in answering your critics is far from an impeachable offense. Telling the press that they are worthless is not an impeachable offense. And on that one most of the American people agree with him. Your credibility is shot and to write this kind of tripe just furthers the impression that you are mere puppets in a DNC stage play. It also does not help when we turn on our TV's and hear the same words and phrases being repeated on the myriad leftist outlets. It seems as though you are all given the word or thought for the day and can do nothing but repeat them over and over. By the way I notice that your used Nixon's use of the IRS to harass his opponents although he only dreamed of doing it while you never mentioned that Obama and his friends there actually did the deed. Sorry Miss Drew you are a very pathetic and tainted source for real news and your analysis of impeachment is sorely lacking what we might call value. Most of what the articles of impeachment against Nixon were for things he wanted to do, Obama on the other hand did most of them and you and your muppets sat in silence and never uttered a word. Give us a break find a more suitable vocation, perhaps writing fiction or children's books would be more suitable to your very weak talents.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: ROLFNader 10/28/2019 2:12:36 PM (No. 220163)
Aww, lookie here- the McPaper's trying to nip our president's ankles.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: jacksin5 10/28/2019 2:17:08 PM (No. 220170)
USA Today, the free newspaper you trip over on the way out of your hotel room.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: cold porridge 10/28/2019 2:23:04 PM (No. 220177)
Apparently Elizabeth Drew is not related and has no characteristics of Nancy Drew, but does have the markings of Nancy Pelosi.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: America Rising 2020 10/28/2019 2:31:30 PM (No. 220188) ignorance on display....Nazi Pelosi and Her Gestapo
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Right Time 10/28/2019 2:38:21 PM (No. 220195)
Wahh! We don't like the mean orange man. He says mean things. Impeach Him.!
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Reply 25 - Posted by: RuckusTom 10/28/2019 3:24:11 PM (No. 220252)
At least they're admitting that impeachment in the House is a political process and not a legal one.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: montwoodcliff 10/28/2019 4:34:18 PM (No. 220304)
This irrelevant old bag is still around? I haven't heard of her since the HW Bush days! These people are trying to get Trump impeached by hook or by crook. So what if he stopped Amazon from getting a 10 bill contract! Maybe they don't have the proper facilities to do the job, but maybe either IBM or Microsoft does. Go back under the rock from which you crawled out from under, lady. I don't know about you readers, but I'm sick and tired of these liberal media types playing lawyer. They've been doing it since Clinton and Whitewater...anything to defend their corrupt leaders or their bete noirs.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: judy 10/28/2019 10:48:55 PM (No. 220543)
Silly Elizabeth , the dems have been trying to find any reason for 4 years. Did she give the definition of high crimes & misdemeanors??? Elizabeth, this all happened during the Obama years. The only crimes the Mueller report produced were in the JD, Hillary’s campaign & the Obama WH. Trump is probably more morale than his know like the 374 people in congress accused of sexual harassment that cost the taxpayers 17 million $$$
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