Red Flag Laws in the
Age of Political Psychiatry
American Greatness,
by
Christopher Roach
Original Article
Posted By: Garnet,
8/15/2019 9:50:39 AM
In the wake of recent horrific shooting sprees, Donald Trump and other Republicans wishing to appear to “do something” have seized the purported “middle ground”: red flag laws. These laws would permit law enforcement or concerned family members to petition a court to remove firearms from individuals deemed dangerous after a summary judicial procedure.
Laws such as these enjoy popular support and a general perception of plausibility upon first glance. After all, there is a broad public consensus in favor of keeping guns out of the hands of convicted felons and other dangerous people. Recent mass shootings where the shooter made pre-incident threats
Reply 1 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 8/15/2019 10:53:12 AM (No. 152897)
Red Flag law sounds good but sets good law abiding citizens up for abuse of the law. Politicians determining conditions of the mind when they can't get theirs' straight. Cory Booker couldn't pass the red flag and most democrats couldn't pass because of their mental state with DTS.
This is a slippery slop if a visit to your doctor for sleep disorder and a politician determines if your mind set conforms to 'red flag' then you are on a watch list and all you wanted was some sleep aid. That's how that will work. Most former military personal wouldn't be a target even retired police officers can all be determined to have PTSD. I hope the President doesn't go along with this nonsense. If the red flag is enacted and the first mass shooting happens because the government misses one person there will be cries from the left for more laws. There is no room to experiment and have failures with a red flag law in place.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 8/15/2019 10:54:23 AM (No. 152901)
"Slippery slope" not slop my bad.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
AGGW 8/15/2019 10:56:36 AM (No. 152903)
This would open the door for vindictive reportings. Bad idea.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
LadyHen 8/15/2019 12:21:30 PM (No. 152996)
The problem has and always will be who gets to be the judge. We have seen what damage out of control liberal judges and officials can do.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
LonestarM3 8/15/2019 12:29:40 PM (No. 153006)
It is difficult to find an existing or proposed gun control law that is primarily intended by its proponents to actually increase safety. The goal is to continue the move toward confiscation.
The more basic goal is to "progress" beyond the limitations imposed on government by that pesky old Constitution. Despite the fact that the Bill of Rights was added using the amendment process, they are not truly amendments, but rather conditions without which the Constitution could not have been ratified. The rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are not subject to denial by any government, including the one established by our Constitution.
Anyone who believes that he or she has the right to deprive others of "Natural" or "God-Given" rights is unfit and unqualified to hold public office, especially an office requiring an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" as do all government offices from President down to most police departments.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Nevadadad46 8/15/2019 12:54:32 PM (No. 153033)
This is exactly the back door the leftist would use to take away our 2nd Amendment rights. In truth, no one can pass a sanity test. We are all of us, by definition, a little bit nuts.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
lakerman1 8/15/2019 12:55:51 PM (No. 153036)
Kid brother is a retired psychologist.
I asked him recently if different psychologosts in a given setting tended to reach consensus on diagnosis of a potentially suicidal patient.
(His specialty was in diagnosing and predicting threats of suicide, working in an emergency room setting.)
His answer? No. The opposite is true. There are frequent disagreements..
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
John Farson 8/15/2019 1:05:41 PM (No. 153049)
If these laws are put in force there will be 1,000s’ of normal people who will have their guns taken from themselves because someone wanted too.
At one time I flew to Hawaii to visit my daughter. My Dr prescribed a pill to calm my nerves. The fact that I was treated for a nerve disorder would put me on the list. There would no end to it.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
saguni 8/15/2019 1:21:33 PM (No. 153068)
Whenever I see "Red Flag Law" I envision SWATTING...where a disgruntled acquaintance decides to "prank" someone, and calls 911 from a cellphone (not traceable) and says, I heard shots fired at my neighbor's house, I think he killed his Dad and has his Mom hostage.
Not too long ago, a man with a CCW was swatted, he answered the door with his gun in his hand, and SWAT shot him dead.
The only way I could ever support a "Red Flag Law" is if it requires positive identification of the "reporter" verified before any other action is taken.
Immediate hearing on the accuracy of the report, with legal representation, with skepticism over the report, not assumed guilt.
Any case that the hearing finds "unjustified" results in mandatory jail time for the "reporter" and possibly a large fine...double for repeat offenders.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 8/15/2019 2:40:34 PM (No. 153175)
I can't remember the name of the group of retired policemen , sheriffs and military that have sworn a secret oath to stop the left/deep state should they get out of hand in curbing our liberties and rights as citizens. As another poster stated, anyone who performed the act of ever carrying a weapon would be among the first, uh, ….targeted.
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