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How The Federal Government
Nullified the Second Amendment
to 'Ban' Automatic firearms

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Posted By: Magnante, 8/14/2019 9:47:55 AM

There are two competing theories being debated today about American individuals’ “right” to gun ownership. (snip) The notion that the federal government could “ban” gun ownership was such an anathema to American sensibilities, and so clearly afoul of the Second Amendment’s intent as had been clearly understood up to that point, that the NFA could not be passed as an overt federal restriction upon individual ownership of firearms. The law was constructed and upheld upon the federal government’s presumed ability to tax, not upon its ability to restrict ownership of firearms.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog 8/14/2019 10:00:36 AM (No. 151924)
The 2nd Amendment was enacted to put every citizen on a par with the state. British abuses of persons and property were fresh in their minds and they didn't want their new government to engage in those practices. The reality is that individual sovereignty as symbolized and enforced by gun ownership has been eroded since, say, the Civil War. One or two flatfoot cops may think twice about entering private property but they will simply call SWAT for overwhelming firepower and numbers. And then there are the feds, armed to the teeth and storming houses and buildings on a regular basis on the flimsiest of pretexts. 'Oh we can't have people owning tanks and Apache helicopters' sneer the intellectually lazy. To them I say - why not if you can afford it? Eventually it will be traditional firearms against Star Trek-type weaponry and then it will be too late because government isn't going to err on the side of the Constitution.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: bigfatslob 8/14/2019 10:45:45 AM (No. 151983)
I hate when the likes of Chris Fredo Coumo is referred to as some voice of sanity and reasoning. He's a leftist dumb jerk. Debating the left is a waste of time. Almost any gun owner knows the facts about ownership of fully automatic weapons. The feds get around things by taxing or levying taxes on items they deem prohibited. I do not even refer to certain firearms as semi-auto they are single fire (as in pull the trigger for each shot to fire) but they are auto loaders be it handguns or rifles. 19th century technology in the 21st century. Republicans should not touch this or debate the democrat gun grabbers about this and certainly beware of taxing what the public has the right to own through the Constitution. I might hate red cars but my neighbor has the right to own as many as he wants but a leftards might want to ban that which they dislike.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: jacksin5 8/14/2019 10:50:05 AM (No. 151990)
Under Obama every Federal Agency has been issued firearms, and has LEO powers. Given the amount of Federal Statutes, it is easy to imagine that every citizen is in unknowingly in violation of some Federal Law, (Medical Marijuana is a good example), and could be subject to the Manafort Treatment.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DVC 8/14/2019 10:52:14 AM (No. 151996)
The government was CERTAIN that banning machine guns and short barreled guns in 1934 would be immeditately reversed by the Supreme Court as clearly unconstitutional. So, they decided to make the guns economically unattractive and had a large, PITA bureaucratic barrier with a long, expensive and intrusive, and LONG "background check". This apparently passed muster, although it was never actually tested. Currently, the "background check" for a suppressor (silencer) takes about a year, after filling out a lot of papers, notarized statements, fingerprints and photos. AND paying a $200 "tax", on what is about a $300 to $700 item. I haven't purchased a machine gun, so don't have first hand knowledge of the delay time, but it is probably at least as long, a year's wait. And of course, they DID ban any NEW machine guns being registered after 1986, so there has been a massive shortage of them, driving prices up by huge factors. A machine gun that cost $800 in 1985, can sell for $25,000 today, due to the artificial shortage created by the '86 ban. The government is very pleased with themselves on this. And the 2nd Amendment says "the right to keep and bear ARMS, shall not be infringed". It does not say what kind. And their INTENT was that civilians would be able to match the police and military for firepower so that We, the People could prevent tyrants from taking over. IMO, the ban on automatic weapons is unconstitutional on it's face.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 8/14/2019 10:54:17 AM (No. 152001)
RE; #1's last paragraph. In the Civil War, all the states provided militias for the fight, and there were a few militias which had wealthy benefactors who were able to afford to purchase and bring cannon, real artillery. The expense made it a bit rare, but there was no hint that owning heavy artillery by a private militia was any sort of illegal or untoward.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: BarryNo 8/14/2019 11:07:48 AM (No. 152027)
Before the civil war, if you could afford it, you could buy it, was the norm for every type of weapon. A large number of 'military' weapons in that conflict, were privately owned. You had volunteer cannon units, manned by volunteers and equipped by a wealthy patron. There was one company equipped by its captain with some of the first live-action carbines for their calvary, which meant they were 4 or five times as effective in combat as their less well armed opponents, who had to rely on government issued weapons Government has no right to restrict access to any weapon. Though, honestly, I would react badly to a George Soros sponsored bomber with nuclear weapons.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: JonR 8/14/2019 11:50:43 AM (No. 152078)
Slowly but surely, the objective of the liberal left (Democrats) in this country is an outright ban on firearms of any sort! They cannot inflict their Communist agenda on the country without disarmament. The crocodile tears over the latest mass killings by deranged individuals are nothing but a cover for this agenda! The left in this country has already discussed a 25 million reduction of lives in order to put their agenda forward. The choice for this country is this; either stand up for the Second Amendment and the Constitution as a whole or learn to live as subjects on your knees with the American way of life destroyed. Your choice!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Ribicon 8/14/2019 12:01:37 PM (No. 152090)
As governor of Massachusetts, the bold patriot Mitt Romney enacted a permanent ban on "assault riles" such as the common AR-15 semiautomatic.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: curious1 8/14/2019 1:35:18 PM (No. 152192)
#6, that could be neutralized by a Trumpian F-22 squadron. :-) And the above posters are correct. Just read some actual (not modern revisionist) history to see what the founders had to say about all this and what the attitude towards government was when the constitution was written and exacted. Then listen to the conniving leftists spew their lies and while you contrast and compare.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Mushroom 8/14/2019 1:36:42 PM (No. 152195)
As many of the fine Ldotters above have said, NFA34 is unconstitutional on it's face. It is approved for taxation only. So how does it still stand? By using the massive resources of the US to bankrupt anyone caught the challenges it. Then, suddenly, the DA drops the charges so it never gets an honest challenge. *This* is the tyranny we live under. As we learned when WTP asked about Obama's citizenship/birth we were told we had no standing and it's none of our business. NFA34 and 86 are two peas in a pod. However since our betters have no such limits, too bad for us. We are moving back to a serf/lord state and it needs to be stopped. *now*.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: RenoVet68 8/14/2019 1:53:59 PM (No. 152201)
Is an assault anything like apepper rifle?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Hazymac 8/14/2019 2:11:12 PM (No. 152209)
I'm one of those who until he gave it further thought, thoughtlessly supported the banning of automatic weapons and the support of the 1934 and 1986 gun control laws. Now I realize that I was wrong. It turns out that I know, and know of, some people who do own machine guns, and regularly take those guns to the range and shoot them. A fellow in Kentucky has a heavy machine gun: a .50 BMG*, invented by John Moses Browning a century ago. (*BMG stands for Browning Machine Gun.) My local indoors range has a Tommy gun aka Thompson .45 ACP submachine gun aka Chicago typewriter aka typewriter, and that gun sees a lot of use by renters at the range, supervised, naturally, by an expert who shows how to do everything right and safely. When my newly engaged godson next visits, we're going to rent the typewriter and a few magazines, maybe a drum, and blast some paper silhouette targets, play 'em a little tune on my violin. The rare individuals who own .50 BMG, .45 ACP, or .30 automatic weapons never would commit crimes with those guns. They're for shooting pleasure. I imagine it's going to be a rush to try to fire Tommy accurately, probably three rounds at a time. The Second Amendment reads "...shall not be infringed." That doesn't leave much wiggle room. Still, if I want to fire a Glock 18*, I have to go to Smyrna, GA's Glock HQ and take a shooting or armorer's course. Would be worth it for the experience. (Saddam was captured in possession of a Glock 18 in his spider hole. At a cyclic rate of 1200 rounds per minute, a Glock 18 will empty a 33 round magazine of 9x19 Parabellum ammo in 1.33 seconds. Impressive. Better hold on tight.) (Glock 18C)
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Hazymac 8/14/2019 3:10:43 PM (No. 152268)
FYI, here's a demonstration of the awesome B.A.R.: the Browning Automatic Rifle, chambered in .30-06 Springfield, carried by soldiers in World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. Soon into basic training in Whittier, Alaska in 1950-51, my father, serving in the U.S. Army, watched a soldier shoot down a substantial tree with a B.A.R., just to show what the enemy had to face. The video following with Middle Tennessee's Hickok45 shows what a formidable weapon our soldiers had in that gun. There are some places where you can find a B.A.R. to shoot and experience your soldier ancestors' astonishment when that weapon opened up. It won't be cheap, but you'll have a good time, guaranteed. John Moses Browning was a genius. His M2 (Ma Deuce) .50 caliber machine gun, firing 12.7 x 99mm rounds, was invented 100 years ago. And it's still in use by all branches of our military. It's hard to improve on perfection. In its own way, Browning's B.A.R., as well as the M1911 .45 ACP and a host of other inventions, are still the basis of most modern guns. (Browning Automatic Rifle)
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Hazymac 8/14/2019 3:36:03 PM (No. 152282) One more video of the Tommy gun, in 1921 and 1928 configuration (900 rpm vs 600 rpm). Another formidable weapon, used in wartime to clear bunkers of multiple enemy soldiers.
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