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Trump administration seeks to juice
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Posted By: Ribicon, 8/8/2019 2:22:52 PM

For years, consumers have complained about slower, noisier dishwashers that produce dirtier dishes, the result of tighter federal efficiency regulations that the Trump administration is now seeking to unload. The Energy Department last month proposed a rule to create a new dishwasher product class that would finish a normal cycle in an hour or less by using less stringent energy standards than permitted under the current rules. Sam Kazman, general counsel of the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute, which led the charge for the regulatory clean-up, said the ever-tighter restrictions on energy and water have produced machines that take twice as long without getting dishes as scrubbed


The reverse Midas touch of government has many facets and unintended consequences (as they do not think things through). Better still, restore the phosphates to dish and laundry detergent so they work as they once did. Eliminate the ethanol mandate, which would address the fertilizer runoff problem that triggered the phosphate removal to begin with.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: coldoc 8/8/2019 2:30:51 PM (No. 146585)
We gave up on dishwashers years ago. "Prewashing" the dishes never made any sense.Made the space into a great 2 drawer pot and pan storage.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: cedar 8/8/2019 2:31:06 PM (No. 146586)
Please do the same thing for washers and dryers.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jethro bo 8/8/2019 2:34:02 PM (No. 146589)
But, but, this will eliminate all those great high paying dishwasher jobs! Typical liberal complaint coming from a Kneepad Media type near you (Sac off). Thank you for making dishwashers great again!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird 8/8/2019 2:37:17 PM (No. 146592)
YES. And restore phosphate to dish and laundry detergents as OP states. Bring back incandescent lightbulbs.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: hammondb3 8/8/2019 2:40:00 PM (No. 146596)
We bought a new dishwasher a few years back after having used one made in the early 90's. For weeks my wife and I would just look at each other and say "Is that thing EVER going to stop running?". Seemed like it would take 2 hours to finish a cycle.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: athina 8/8/2019 2:50:16 PM (No. 146602)
Haha #4 - that was my thought too. I’ve thought the trouble with dishwashers is the nonphosphate detergents - when they became mandatory, my dishes were no longer clean.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: ho72 8/8/2019 2:50:21 PM (No. 146603)
We bought what amounts to a lifetime supply of the good dishwasher detergent before they took the phosphates out. We run the 1 hr quick wash and it's all good. Still, I'm all for rolling back these ridiculous regs.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 8/8/2019 3:07:48 PM (No. 146615)
I remain 100% satisfied with my vote for Trump.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Pearson365 8/8/2019 3:11:16 PM (No. 146617)
A. Why are regulations imposed by Obama’s leftist fanatics so difficult to rescind when Obama was free to impose this madness without congressional approval? Will someone please explain why Obama’s actions are sacrosanct while Trump’s attempt to change are impossible? B, Why is the federal government even invoked with dishwashers, energy efficiency standards, gasoline mileage standards, corn in ethanol (shame on Trump for his mad 15% 365 days a year requirement) and so much more?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: HPmatt 8/8/2019 3:51:12 PM (No. 146643)
#4 I saw the regulation coming - want to say they started that in Kalifornia - and bought a 'lifetime' supply of the 'good' dishwasher soap about 10 years ago. Got 5-6 large Sam's club size boxes in garage.....right next to several cases of 150w incandescent flood lamps that fit our 1975 house light fixtures.... This will upset the multinational supply chain making super-sharp-accountant-pencil pretty stainless steel engineered to expire in 7 years kitchen appliances made/assembled in Mexico, with parts made in China. Our d/w died about 10 years ago, after noticing 'Kitchenaid' had been hollowed out by accountants, ending up buying a super-engineered Asko d/w that performed extremely well, and is still cranking out clean dishes - when using 'good' dishwasher soap.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: HotRod 8/8/2019 4:09:49 PM (No. 146650)
Global warming/climate change is no longer justification for all these silly regulations. It has been debunked and causes more harm than good.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Kate318 8/8/2019 4:15:01 PM (No. 146654)
My dishwasher takes 99 minutes to do a regular load. My washing machine takes 79 minutes to complete a cycle for washing whites. ‘Nuff said.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: iraengneer 8/8/2019 4:32:00 PM (No. 146664)
Forgive my stupidity, I beg of you. Try as I might, I am unable to locate in my copy of our Constitution any SPECIFIC grant of power enabling the FEDERAL goobermint to have any say whatsoever on this, or a million other matters. Lacking such a grant in the Constitution AS WRITTEN, it would seem that the matter is a "nunya" as far as a Federal involvement. Bluntly, it would seem to be illegal, and demanding that the proles bow to it seems to be "high crime" in itself.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: jalo1951 8/8/2019 4:44:54 PM (No. 146670)
When you have to run the dishwasher twice, same for the clothes washer, an flush three times it doesn't save anything.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: couchguy 8/8/2019 4:50:26 PM (No. 146679)
I'm not a great housekeeper, sometimes food dries on the plate. A third of a cup of TSP(the real thing, Home Depot) added to regular Walmart non phosphate dishwasher detergent and presto spotless plates and beautiful glassware.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: mc squared 8/8/2019 4:52:21 PM (No. 146683)
I would replace my 2 yr old DW if I could get one that doesn't take almost 4 hours to clean the dishes. I still have to throw a few back in. It's why I keep fixing my old top loading washer - It cleans!.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: earlybird 8/8/2019 4:57:23 PM (No. 146686)
Our ancient Insinkerator dw works great. We use Finish with the little red buttons on top and a soup spoon of Lemishine booster. Found out about the latter early on when the phosphate disappeared. A load takes less than an hour on Normal wash and No Heat dry. We have an older big top loading washing machine. A little harder on clothes than ones I’d had before, but a quantum leap ahead of the dopey new ones. Natural gas dryer. The best.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Readaholic 8/8/2019 5:58:29 PM (No. 146727)
And start making cars out of steel again.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Daisymay 8/8/2019 6:01:13 PM (No. 146731)
If Trump can get this done, he is assured of the votes of every woman who owns a Dishwasher and Washing Machine. My Bosch 3 years old, takes three hours to do a full load. Dishes come out sparkling and the machine is so quiet you don't know it's running. However, I would go back to my old GE dishwasher in a heartbeat. It ran for under one hour! I bought a new washer when they came out with the washers that didn't have an agitator. I wanted one. I hurried to Sears and bought the old fashioned one, top loader, no bells or whistles. As for light bulbs, we're good. I think lots of folks went out and stocked up on the old bulbs. Go Trump! Make us ladies happy again!
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Reply 20 - Posted by: chance_232 8/8/2019 6:48:01 PM (No. 146769)
Washers, driers and dishwashers have quadrupled in price. If the computer craps out, its almost cheaper to replace the unit. And yes..... the dishwasher now takes forever. Ive also had to change dishwasher soaps for one that works, since the phosphates have been removed. My first dishwasher was 12 years old. I replaced it with an 800 dollar unit and gave had to replace it three times in the past 10 years.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 8/8/2019 7:01:29 PM (No. 146786)
The idiots in the Dept of Energy and EPA have been steadily ruining all of our consumer goods. Gas cans that are nearly useless, and more expensive. Dishwashers that won't wash dishes....but save water in the process. Clothes washers that don't get your clothes clean....but save water. Clothes driers that use less energy and take forever. Autos that are smaller and smaller and more and more expensive. No wonder that PUs and SUVs are the most popular are more tightly regulated and "trucks" like PUs and SUVs have more lenient regulations, are closer to what people WANT. They really need to get the ignorant, destructive hand of government out of our lives and especially out of our appliances and cars.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: DVC 8/8/2019 7:02:47 PM (No. 146787)
#5, our dishwasher, about 8 years old does literally take 2 hours to wash a load of dishes. It has a timer on front, and when you hit start, it says "2H" meaning it will be done in 2 hours.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Jennie C. 8/8/2019 7:18:45 PM (No. 146794)
Good! Mine is more than 20 years old, so it's probably still a good one (seems to be, anyway). If this happens, I can buy another good one that will hopefully see me out :)
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Jennie C. 8/8/2019 7:21:08 PM (No. 146796)
I am buying the current soap, and my dishes still seem to be clean (unless something's dried on, like egg or cheese, but that seems reasonable to me). I never use the dry cycle, however: it just wastes power and doesn't seem to get them dry anyway. So, as we used to say before we had one, "let God dry the dishes." :D
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Poliskeptic 8/8/2019 7:22:29 PM (No. 146797)
There is a product we order online called Cascade Fryer Boilout which is the same product as the old Cascade Professional DW detergent with phosphates. Read the reviews on Amazon. We prefer it a bit to Bubble Bandit which also has phosphates. Our glasses come out sparkling but there are two problems: the dishwasher still takes 2+ hours to run and it's a Proctor and Gamble product which I have sworn off since the Gillette toxic masculinity ad!
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Lawsy0 8/8/2019 9:35:01 PM (No. 146842)
Oh please hurry, Sir. My fine 30 year old GE dishwasher has just 'bit the dust.' I'll buy 2nd hand or scratch & dent until the better ones are available. Luckily, I only have a full load every couple of weeks.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Fosterdad 8/8/2019 10:34:08 PM (No. 146853)
These water standards were required because of all of the idiots moving out to the Southwest where there is no frickin' water. Meanwhile, those of us smart enough to live where there is actually an adequate water supply have to suffer the consequences.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: DVC 8/9/2019 12:39:55 AM (No. 146882)
Exactly so, #27. Here in KC two giant rivers flow, bankful, through our city, and we have no problem with a water shortage. So water saving toilets, dishwashers and clothes washers are a total crock of Californicated garbage, working poorly and a higher cost.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Trigger2 8/9/2019 3:34:51 AM (No. 146915)
A normal cycle for my fancy dancy new dishwasher takes 4 hours to complete a cycle. When I bought my new washing machine, I asked the clerk if there was any brand sold that didn't use plastic parts that failed time after time as I wanted metal parts. The only brand was Speed Queen. When I had to buy a new refrigerator I told the clerk I wanted one without a fancy dancy computer which costs $2,000 to insert new chip(s). Got one w/o the computer too. All these fancy dancy new products are engineered to fail in about 2 years so you're forced to buy another one at about the same cost needed to repair it.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Strike3 8/9/2019 4:17:24 AM (No. 146919)
Hopefully toilets are next. There is a slow but steady push on to replace gasoline engines in cars with electric motors, against our will. That should cause more uproar than plastic vs steel. Cars did not have real price increases for a long time until the new, unwanted electronic "safety" features started being installed without customers requesting them. Who needs a backup camera in a Honda Civic? It's silly.
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