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Posted By: Hazymac, 1/10/2022 8:26:37 AM

The political push to transform our electrical grid into reliance on “renewable” wind and solar energy keeps running into the laws of physics. The laws of physics are going to win, but the economic carnage in the meantime will be terrible. My colleague Isaac Orr documents, not for the first time, the futility of wind energy when the weather gets cold: "It is a well-understood phenomenon that wind generation in the Midwest essentially disappears when the mercury dips below -22° F. Electricity generation from wind turbines drops under these circumstances because wind turbines are programmed to automatically shut off when the temperatures get this cold

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Hazymac 1/10/2022 8:31:30 AM (No. 1033802)
The entire green energy system should be shut down forthwith. It's unreliable and horribly expensive. Nuclear makes more sense.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: NorthernDog 1/10/2022 8:52:33 AM (No. 1033824)
It's also worth noting there's enough known coal deposits to last hundreds of years. A little exploration would probably discover more massive deposits. It's plentiful and isn't going away anytime soon.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Highlander 1/10/2022 8:56:00 AM (No. 1033831)
If it weren’t for the political party that identifies with an ass, there wouldn’t be a single windmill standing except for those who want one in their back yards. That goes for solar farms.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: red1066 1/10/2022 9:18:34 AM (No. 1033853)
It does get cold in the mid-west in the winter, but minus 22? Perhaps in North or South Dakota, but further south a temp of -22 is kinda rare. It does happen on occasion, but not very often. However, even temps in the teens are uncomfortable and I wouldn't want to depend on the wind to generate power to heat my home.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: columba 1/10/2022 9:40:17 AM (No. 1033877)
It began when the Dodgers moved to the west coast. The push of everyone to "go west, young man" ended. Then and there we needed to concentrate on making the nation better of the common good. But no one began at the start, and the need to make us all users of Stopette deodorant took over. The idea crept in that America was really all a sham, and the most important thing in life was to find out how many women one could lay on one's drive to the golf course. It is not about green energy, it is about us. We seek the right track, but refuse to acknowledge that the right track lives in the same house as we already occupy.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Hazymac 1/10/2022 9:50:02 AM (No. 1033887)
Two of three Power Line principals have Minneapolis as their home base, and are familiar with mercury readings of far below zero degrees Fahrenheit. Montana has the record low temperature for the Lower 48: -70 F. The record in Minnesota is -69 F. Alaska's record is -80 F., set in 1971 at Prospect Creek, about half the way up the Dalton Highway to Deadhorse. Numerous Alaskan towns and settlements can approach minus eighty. Canada has North America's record (1947): -81 in Snag, Yukon, about 15 miles east of the Alaska border. The world record, exclusive of Antarctica*, is -71.2 C., which equals -96.2 F. in Oymyakon, Siberia. At colder than fifty below boiling water in a saucepan turns instantly to ice when the boiling water is flung upward into the air. An Australian 60 Minutes segment in Oymyakon showed a completely frozen banana being used to hammer a nail into a board. *Antarctica's record is -135.8 F.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 1/10/2022 11:26:38 AM (No. 1033979)
On December 31 in Alberta Canada, the coal fired TransAlta Keephills Unit 1, which was scheduled to be retired that very day, was still putting out 302 megawatts, of its 395 megawatt rated capacity. At the same time, Alberta’s entire fleet of 13 grid-connected solar facilities, rated at 736 megawatts, was contributing 58 megawatts to the grid. The 26 wind farms, with a combined rated capacity of 2,269 megawatts, was feeding the grid 18 megawatts. Voodoo power can never met the needs of the baseload.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Proud Texan 1/10/2022 11:33:03 AM (No. 1033989)
One comment above notes that such low temperatures are kinda rare in the midwest. Very, very rare temperatures killed people in Houston, Texas last year. Another day would have had a lot more people running out of heat. I lived next door to a propane dealer was withing six hours of running out of propane because he didn't have electricity to pump it, although the town a mile away and the rest of the county had 30 minute on, thirty minute off. The "rare" occurrences are the ones we have to be prepared for.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Proud Texan 1/10/2022 11:36:39 AM (No. 1033993)
To add a little more to my comment, even after last year the birdbeadter blades keep on driving by for the windmills, and large amounts of acreage are going under solar panels in the surroundind counties, all subsidized by government money and locusts from out west keep moving in swarms to bring their failed henhouse ways with them.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JubilationTCornpone 1/10/2022 12:26:12 PM (No. 1034052)
I read about two windmill fires over the weekend at local windmill farms here in Oklahoma. I think they’re supposed to automatically shut down during high winds, but apparently the clutches didn’t engage.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 1/10/2022 1:45:49 PM (No. 1034162)
Note the really, really flat line....that's nuclear power. Clearly the nuke plants just RUN and put out the real baseline power. The coal and nat gas are adjusted up and down to match demand, and the damned wind wanders all over the place, doing whatever it does - no control is possible. Solar, piddling nothing.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rinktum 1/10/2022 4:08:54 PM (No. 1034254)
Just stop the insanity of trying to use a method to create energy that is not sufficiently developed to the point of supplying what is needed. This is just mind blowingly irresponsible. Keep researching but for goodness sake, don’t throw the country into a climate nightmare because you won’t admit the science is not there yet. Let’s use some common sense!
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