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Boris Johnson’s green plan brings ban on
petrol cars forward to 2030 and promises
UK’s first hydrogen-powered town

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Posted By: Ribicon, 11/19/2020 9:35:50 PM

Boris Johnson has set out plans for green investment over the coming decade, including a target to generate enough offshore wind to power every home in the UK and a ban on new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2030. The prime minister’s long-awaited 10-point plan for a “green industrial revolution” also promised the UK’s first hydrogen-powered town, four carbon capture “clusters” to suck 10 megatons of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and a new generation of advanced nuclear reactors. But green campaigners warned that the £12bn in public funding promised by Mr Johnson fell well short


Zero-emission jet aircraft, too. Wow, what a mistake this guy was. Nigel Farage, please pick up the white phone.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 11/19/2020 9:55:54 PM (No. 611035)
Insanity. Hydrogen is NOT a fuel. Hydrogen is an expensive, dangerous energy storage medium. You cannot go and "get" hydrogen ANYWHERE. You have to MAKE hydrogen, and the energy costs are huge, much energy is wasted making a bit of hydrogen. Extremely stupid, totally unaffordable. Apparently Boris' brain was fried by the virus.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: bogeegolf 11/19/2020 9:56:37 PM (No. 611036)
Are all Brits fruitcakes?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: jimincalif 11/19/2020 10:15:29 PM (No. 611064)
Did this guy pull a Schwarzenegger or what?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: TXknitter 11/19/2020 10:32:07 PM (No. 611087)
Indeed #2, it is a nation of weak and passive men nowadays. Heck even my Yorkshire relatives agree wholeheartedly. Boris will be such good buddies with Biden and the London elites and the prissy House of Lords will be so thrilled that manly Trump is gone. (He won’t be though!)
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 11/19/2020 10:46:03 PM (No. 611096)
Some recent lab scale prototypes have shown efficiency of conversion of water to hydrogen of 70%. These catalyzed systems have not passed industrial testing, to see how long the catalyst will survive. For the sake of discussion, assume that they would work -- but they may not, too. At that rate, using a coal or natural gas fired central power station, you burn 1,000 units of coal or nat gas energy, get 350 units of electrical energy. Put 350 units of electrical energy into a (unknown cost and durability) catalyzed hydrogen electrolyzer and get 245 units of energy's worth of hydrogen out. If you burn that hydrogen in a can get about 95%+ efficiency heating your home. But, burning the nat gas directly to heat your home, and you burn 1,000 units of nat gas energy to get 950 units of heat into your home. Going the hydrogen route, you burn 1,000 units of nat gas in a central power station, and make hydrogen, burn that in your home heating system...and get 95% of 245 units of heat into your home. This neglects the pipeline pumping energy costs. Such a deal. Buy 1,000 units of energy, get to keep 233 units of energy. You are throwing away more than 3/4 of the energy that you paid for. With direct nat gas, buy 1,000 units, keep 950 units. If you use a nuke power plant....OK, you short circuit the simple calculation of efficiency by using highly refined/isotope separate uranium for a fuel to make the electricity to make your hydrogen. It has been legitimately asked whether by the time you calculate the cost to mine, refine, enrich, isotope separate, turn into fuel pellets, turn those into zirconium fuel rods (mine & refine & form the zirconium, too) and build a VERY expensive nuclear power plant, and dispose of the "spent" fuel rod assemblies..... is there any net energy created by a nuclear power plant? Is all the petroleum energy used in the mining, refining, manufacturing, building, etc, etc, ETC more than the 30 years of electricity that you will get? A legit question, and I am not sure that anyone has done a really solid economic analysis of it.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: JL80863 11/19/2020 11:04:54 PM (No. 611114)
Hey kids, can you say BOOM!!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: snakeoil 11/19/2020 11:44:02 PM (No. 611150)
Boris needs to watch the video of the last voyage of the Hindenburg. Hope I'm never at a fuel station trying to put hydrogen into a vehicle. Next to a smoker.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 11/20/2020 12:07:19 AM (No. 611163)
Boris worthless, study finds.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Timber Queen 11/20/2020 12:20:25 AM (No. 611172)
Why did they even bother to leave the EU?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: NYbob 11/20/2020 2:05:18 AM (No. 611202)
Thank goodness another politician is in charge of the 'settled' science. I expect great things out of this. Reminds me of the waste processing plant Rochester, NY decided to go all in on. They spent tens of millions to build the thing, because it 'worked' in Japan. Cut the ribbon, roll the garbage truck up to it and nothing. Never processed a ton of garbage, because in Japan they are hyper about separating their garbage. That's the kind of brilliance politicians come up with. It turned out ok, because years later they spent 46 million to run ONE fast ferry to Toronto and back to Rochester, without trucks. Didn't work because it was one boat and you saved all of 20 minutes vs driving. The ferry went around the coastline instead of straight across the lake. Genius.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Highlander 11/20/2020 3:44:17 AM (No. 611224)
#5; In regards to the question you posed at the end of your post, in essence, stating, “Has anyone thought this through?”; I know for sure, Boris Johnson hasn’t.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Bur Oak 11/20/2020 8:54:42 AM (No. 611360)
The British government should show the way by immediately adopting BJ's plan for all government agencies. No jet travel, travel by electric vehicle only, no supplies transported by diesel or gasoline vehicles, and no food grown and harvested by diesel or gasoline powered equipment for government employees. Additionally for government facilities, no new steel production, all steel will have to be from recycled steel and no production of cement except with hydrogen.
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