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The Statue Wars: Was Secession Treason?

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Posted By: MissMolly, 8/5/2020 4:23:34 AM

When mobs are attacking statues of Ulysses S. Grant, it is difficult to have an intelligent discussion about why some Confederate generals and officials deserve respect. No one today defends the role of slavery. However, if belief in racial equality is the sole measure of the worth of Americans at the time, few people, including in the North, would pass muster. Racism was rampant, and many northerners objected to slavery not on grounds of humanity and liberty, but because it created sectional division and, in their view, harmed white laborers. Most northern states denied free blacks the right to vote and serve on juries, and imposed other disabilities,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Periwinkel 8/5/2020 7:25:32 AM (No. 500394)
My favorite statue removal was when the "woke folks" pulled down the statue of Frederick Douglass. Did any of those people go to school at all? And while they were there did anyone teach anything besides catastrophic global disaster of various kinds?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Strike3 8/5/2020 9:30:44 AM (No. 500547)
Most of us believe slavery was wrong, it was wrong to bring any of them into this country against their will and deny them the wonderful life they would have been enjoying in Africa today.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: JackBurton 8/5/2020 9:49:35 AM (No. 500573)
Whatever it was, it's been over for 150 years. If you are still bothered by it, you have mental problems. Need help. Shouldn't be heard from. It's as if you're still wearing a cast on your leg from a break you had twenty years ago.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: MDConservative 8/5/2020 10:06:01 AM (No. 500602)
If the act of secession was not treason, taking up arms was, especially when one loses a war. Those who fought were pardoned after taking an oath of loyalty. Seems like they thought so, too.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: red1066 8/5/2020 10:40:42 AM (No. 500654)
In all of this racial talk about what happened prior to and during the Civil War, no one talks about the Irish. The Irish were considered of even lower class than the negros. Irish were scum and lazy and of no worth. When the Civil War started, the Irish brigades from New York, Boston, and Philadelphia were assembled and immediately sent into the worse fighting of every major battle. The thinking was, let the Irish do the dirty work. After all, they're just Irish. The draft riots in New York right after the battle of Gettysburg were caused by this very thinking. Many of the hardest and most dangerous jobs in the country were performed by the Irish immigrates because they would do the work for less money. Look at how the Chinese immigrates were treated out west building the transcontinental railroad. Same mindset toward the Irish.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: JHHolliday 8/5/2020 12:42:23 PM (No. 500815)
I realize that Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union, not end slavery. There was also another reason Lincoln invaded....money. With the loss of the South, no more tariffs from Southern states would have been a massive loss to the Federal Government. Add in the fact that they would lose the warm water ports....Charleston, Savannah, Mobile, New Orleans, etc. In the winter, the northern ports became ice-choked and couldn't be used by the wooden ships of the era. Lincoln had the businessmen screaming about the loss of import/export trade and is the main reason he invaded the South and started a bloody, illegal war.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: zoidberg 8/5/2020 2:34:21 PM (No. 500915)
I like causes that aren't lost.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623 8/6/2020 3:21:18 AM (No. 501403)
To some of US, they weren't "statues" but the founders of this country and our ancestors. Personally, I am never forgiving Nikki Haley for starting this 'mess' For the record, I have never owned a slave and there are no living slaves, just extortionist.
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