Dan Bongino on police shooting in Atlanta:
‘Well, what would you do?’
BizPac Review,
by
Jon Dougherty
Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan,
6/15/2020 9:07:29 AM
Former NYPD officer and Secret Service agent Dan Bongino lamented the deadly use of force by Atlanta police officers on Friday but noted they were only presented with “a bad and worse option.”
According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI), police responded to a complaint about a male “parked in the drive thru” at a Wendy’s “asleep, causing other customers to drive around the vehicle.” The report said police had the man perform a field sobriety test, which he did not pass.
At that point, officers attempted to take the man, later identified as 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks, who is black, into custody. He “resisted and a struggle ensued,”
Reply 1 - Posted by:
MickTurn 6/15/2020 9:12:03 AM (No. 445089)
I don't think this item has been mentioned...How did the officers KNOW he didn't have a GUN pointed at them? He could have had one hidden in his pants or an ankle holster...Just asking.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 6/15/2020 9:21:58 AM (No. 445105)
If you watch the complete body-cam video from the very beginning, you will see that the officer(s) patted Brooks down earlier. He didn't have any other weapons but he was so intoxicated he didn't even know what county he was in.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
felixcat 6/15/2020 9:49:31 AM (No. 445141)
So Dan is okay with this shooting but not okay with the knee against the neck?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
tsquare 6/15/2020 9:51:32 AM (No. 445144)
While understanding the complexities of this encounter, and not able to offer a good option...a man running away from you, drunk, with a spent taser is NOT a lethal threat. Homeowners are taught that an intruder has to present a threat before firearms can be used...and there are numerous instances of “bullets in the back” where murder charges have been brought. I would be charged with a homicide if following Biden’s advice of firing a shotgun through the door...and think that a trained police office with a whole police force behind him should have nore restraint than a threatened homeowner.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Strike3 6/15/2020 10:04:54 AM (No. 445160)
Why is every victim a huge, drunken or drug-addled black man? These people need to pick better heroes.
Bongino is exactly right, anybody else in the officer's position would think of their own safety and act accordingly. Remember forty or so years ago when public drunkeness was raised from a minor offense that resulted in a ticket and an overnight in jail to a huge deal that cost thousands of dollars in fines and lawyers and includes jail time? People were all for it. Groups like MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) pushed for severe penalties. A drunk driver who is allowed to get back on the road is a dangerous weapon in itself.
One question remains, how do you allow a Taser to be taken away from you?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Phantomll 6/15/2020 10:14:47 AM (No. 445174)
If he tased the police officer, he could have then taken the officer's gun while the officer was incapacitated.
Cops have split seconds to decide - kill or be killed.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Clinger 6/15/2020 10:24:20 AM (No. 445191)
Did they run the plates and know things we don't know? Option "B" would have been to risk getting tazered while in pursuit and potentially having your sidearm also confiscated. Could they have followed him out of tazer range until he gave up? I wonder if it is feasible for both police officers to give chase or does one have to stay back and guard the squad with its weapons which could have otherwise been filched?
Asking the police to be perfect in such an imperfect scenario is irrational. This is no George Floyd scenario where there was a clear option to let up on a restrained man.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
chiller 6/15/2020 10:28:21 AM (No. 445198)
What would have happened if the cops offered/insisted on taking Brooks home, leaving his car ? The assumption being he's drunk.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
MDConservative 6/15/2020 10:42:51 AM (No. 445221)
What if the cops had let him run? He was blowing a .10+ and already passed out. What danger did he present to the community? They had his car, and maybe his burger and fries. It is likely they would have found him on a sidewalk snoring shortly thereafter.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
WestCoast 6/15/2020 10:49:34 AM (No. 445239)
I've got a plan, go to the British system, most cops are unarmed, call for armed response when needed, hire 5 foot 90 pound police officers (we already do that). Then set standards so that in any confrontational situation, the officer just walks away to avoid any potential use of force, the 5 foot ninety pounders already do that. Then make sure that officers obey all traffic laws enroute to all calls, discipline, 5 day suspension if a citizen complains they are speeding (see LAPD c late 80s)
I don't know if this latest shooting was justified or not - did the officer know he had lost his taser? Taser use a small explosive charge to fire the darts, they pop, so does a .22 or .32.
I've about come to the conclusion that many people on this and other forums should never be allowed near a jury because they have no idea of 'presumption of innocence. When a bunch of seasoned officers and detectives (my self included) saw the video of the Rodney king beating, the consensus was that 'someone's (cop) was going to jail. We were right in part, two cops went to jail after being found not guilty if a reasonable trial then found guilty in a kangaroo civil rights trial.
I don't know what happened in this shooting, but I've been in three law enforcement shoot don't shoot situations where the hammer was half way back, two turned out to be unarmed, one was a dog. I should have shot the dog, it was charging my partner.
I don't blindly defend anyone, nor do I jump to conclusions. Some of you should try it.
I've
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
blueline 6/15/2020 10:59:11 AM (No. 445251)
Another tragedy, and once again, we're treated to the wisdom of the TV-Internet trained critique squad. With all due respect, some passing judgement don't have a clue about the complexities of this incident and the applicable laws and precedents. There's not enough space here to cover it adequately, but here's a place to start:
If you violently resist arrest, assault two officers, steal their weapon (even that "less-lethal" Taser) and point it at them (even over your shoulder while running away) you have met the standard of Graham vs. Conner and most likely will meet the standard of TN vs. Garner regarding use of lethal force by an officer. It's quite possible you will wind up like Mr. Brooks did here. While unfamiliar with GA statutes, I would guess that by stealing the weapon and pointing it at the officers during the struggle, he'd committed one or more felonies already. If Brooks was this desperate to get away, he was doubtless capable of inflicting severe injury or death on someone nearby. I didn't say LIKELY; just capable of it. Under the totality of the circumstances these officers considered, he was apparently deemed a continuing deadly threat.
While time and the investigations will reveal many facts to us, what matters legally is what was perceived by those two officers about the ongoing threat of a violent, fleeing felon to themselves and to the public.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
moebellini3 6/15/2020 11:18:38 AM (No. 445282)
The simple question is, when do blacks and I don't mean all blacks, start accepting responsibility for their actions. Every freakin week, murders, assaults, looting, burning buildings and its always somebody else's fault. Then a guy refuses to take responsibility for his being drunk and attacks the cops. He's shot dead and guess what, no responsibility, its the cops fault. And, when cops start quitting their jobs in droves, guess who gets hurt. You got it, the innocent law abiding citizens. The police don't deserve this and they don't deserve placing their lives in danger every day in these crime infested war zones. This country better wake up soon.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Starboard_side 6/15/2020 1:44:52 PM (No. 445413)
Police need to start reacting to the situation better, as there was little reason for them to fire upon that man as he was running away.
They knew he was drunk, they had his vehicle, it was likely they'd find him in short order without any further incident, particularly deadly force.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
doublesharp 6/15/2020 4:20:21 PM (No. 445522)
Why is the drunk said to be sleeping. He was passed out cold in a drunken stupor.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
XCenturion 6/16/2020 2:13:01 AM (No. 445914)
I have serious question that needs to be addressed. Are certain segments of the black population raised to show total disregard for the rule of law and any respect for authority? Here's some advice to my black brothers if they want to reduce their chances of getting seriously injured during an interaction with a police officer. Don't fight with the officer, don't resist the police officer, and don't run from the police officer!
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Bongino makes sense, but we can't have this in this day and age!! Meanwhile, the fired officer, who is black BTW, is being denied his due process rights.