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Posted By: earlybird, 4/2/2020 5:53:34 PM

More than 6.6 million Americans filed for unemployment benefits last week. (Snip)C.D.C. is expected to advise all Americans to wear cloth masks in public. The Trump administration is expected to announce as soon as Thursday that all Americans should wear cloth masks or other face coverings if they go out in public, based on a forthcoming recommendation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that would mark a shift in federal guidance amid new concerns that the coronavirus is being spread by infected people who have no symptoms.


This is a highlights column. Many of the most current topics, updated frequently. NYT articles on coronavirus are free, no paywall. Skip if you wish, but they are pretty good. Posting a NYT protest on threads about the coronavirus looks pretty lame about now… save it for when we’re back in election mode...

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Reply 1 - Posted by: caljeepgirl 4/2/2020 6:12:27 PM (No. 366492)
And just where are "all Americans" supposed to obtain these "cloth" (aka surgical) masks? I don't want to be stabbed or shot on site by some crazy who thinks I'm depriving medical personnel of their PPEs! I can't believe they caved when so many doctors believe this is useless.....
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Reply 2 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 4/2/2020 6:20:20 PM (No. 366498)
In the case of mouthy yet ignorant Dems--- Pelosi, for example--- I recommend a muzzle.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: AltaD 4/2/2020 6:23:31 PM (No. 366501)
And where are all these non-medical masks to be found? Pharmacy and hardware stores ran out of masks weeks ago.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: ByteGuru 4/2/2020 6:28:14 PM (No. 366506)
#1 - not totally useless ... plain cloth is less effective than a PPE but can be made at home and will help. Be sure to use a dense cloth folded over at least once, twice is better. An old bed sheet of 1,000 thread count is a good candidate for the material. Burlap bags ... not so much. The internet has several design that are easy to make. My wife is working on some today. Remember that in most cases unless you walk through someone's sneeze droplets, there is only a slim chance that you will inhale enough virus to be a problem. Having even a simple mask offers more protection than no mask at all.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: synchronicity 4/2/2020 6:30:26 PM (No. 366507)
Checked Amazon - they are available in a month or so. We could all get cowboy bandanas and look like we are attempting to rob the establishments we frequent.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: bogeegolf 4/2/2020 6:52:45 PM (No. 366519)
I’ve been wearing the same two masks for my remodeling job for three weeks. I can’t buy any new ones anywhere. BTW I won’t wear one other than for work. I just won’t, even if the best president in my lifetime tells me to.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Peach1 4/2/2020 6:57:09 PM (No. 366526)
Sorry, but after the video I just saw where cloth masks are being made in some third world country where the masks are allowed to fall on a filthy concrete floor, no, I won’t do it!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Phantomll 4/2/2020 7:10:02 PM (No. 366536)
What are they going to do if I refuse to wear one?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 4/2/2020 7:15:28 PM (No. 366540)
I've read studies that show cloth masks only help if you are already infected; they do nothing to stop the spread of the virus. Pathetic!
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Reply 10 - Posted by: DCGIRL 4/2/2020 7:25:56 PM (No. 366551)
No way will I wear that thing.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Phantomll 4/2/2020 7:36:42 PM (No. 366567)
Sorry about the second post - looks as if they'll " recommend" not "mandate."
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Mike22 4/2/2020 8:03:45 PM (No. 366590)
Last night? I heard Dr Fauchi discuss how far the virus could travel - he reared back and sneezed mightily into the air. He indicated under those circumstances droplets could travel the 20 feet the questioner was indicating. He believes that is unlikely. UC Davis published an advisory today indicating that it is possible that the virus could be transmitted from droplets emitted in ordinary speech and these droplets can hang in the air. That, I believe is the reason for the revised advice. The article indicated that the louder the speech the more droplets are emitted. So when you gather in a large group and sing hymns - well that might be unfortunate. All this is speculative, but..... (How important is speech in transmitting coronavirus? UC Davis Health April 2, 2020.)
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Reply 13 - Posted by: MuncsSister 4/2/2020 8:29:16 PM (No. 366608)
Fine. I will tape a coffee filter to my face at this point if it means reopening the economy. Back to work on Monday. ENOUGH.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena 4/2/2020 8:36:08 PM (No. 366611)
How about a trade-off? Everyone wears a mask and we all go back to work.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: anniebc 4/2/2020 8:47:55 PM (No. 366622)
Bandanas, folks. Be careful with those colors if you live on the west coast, though.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 4/2/2020 9:02:39 PM (No. 366636)
These are not to protect the wearer, they keep the wearer from spreading what they have but may not know it yet.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Italiano 4/2/2020 9:20:25 PM (No. 366644)
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Reply 18 - Posted by: hershey 4/2/2020 9:20:36 PM (No. 366645)
I have been staying at home 99% of the time, only going out to the store, that being said, I keep a mask in my car hanging on the rear view mirror. When I get back in, I hang it back the heater on pretty high and park in the sun to heat the car up when I get home (if there is sunshine)...fresh air and heat and sunshine...just the things for disinfecting a mask...
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Reply 19 - Posted by: TXknitter 4/2/2020 9:25:45 PM (No. 366651)
Yes #1, but we have TV doctors all over the place saying the opposite. Its pretty much an idea at this point that can’t hurt.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Safari Man 4/2/2020 9:40:24 PM (No. 366660)
This is a great time to be an armed robber. No suspicions raised when you walk into the liquor store or 7/11.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: bighambone 4/2/2020 10:13:28 PM (No. 366673)
There are no manufactured masks to be had at the retail level today in the USA. It is being reported that 3M manufactures 10 million masks a week. Apparently the 3M distributors, about 20 companies, are selling large amounts of those masks for cash to foreign countries, rather than US healthcare entities that are in dire need of those masks. That does not seem right! President Trump mentioned today that he is using the Defense Production Act against 3M. Obviously 3M is engaged in globalist endeavors and is not putting America First. If 3M makes 10 million masks a week, and all the masks stayed in the USA, it would take at least 33 weeks for 3M to make one mask for every American. Since those masks would have to be changed frequently there is definitely a big problem. Of course 3M is not the only mask manufacturer.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Tet Vet 68 4/2/2020 10:25:48 PM (No. 366677)
Screw their paywall I won't put-up with anymore NYT go to hell
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Reply 23 - Posted by: rushie 4/2/2020 11:13:15 PM (No. 366685)
In the press conference today they talked about it. Some are pushing it. Trump not. He said you could if you wanted or even use a scarf. Dr Birtz said if they do, it would just be another element to the social distancing. She said it gives false security. Your eyes are open. Your hands touch your eyes?? Then not good. Paraphrasing poorly but I don’t think it will be mandatory.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: stablemoney 4/3/2020 1:04:29 AM (No. 366716)
I am getting tired of the wear masks, stay back 10 feet, walk in single file, go this direction, stay home, don't buy more than one, threats of arrest and fines, advice from people I do not know, experts that look awful, and talk that does not convey competence, repeated everyday, as if I did not hear what they said yesterday.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: ZeldaFitzg 4/3/2020 1:18:40 AM (No. 366722)
Women (and men sew-ers) all over the country are making the masks. Hospitals and clinics all over are requesting them. Not a third world country operation, as someone above said. As a spin-off group from the Linus Project in our town, many of us in our town are making the masks from patterns and instructions found on you-tube. We donate them by the hundreds to two hospitals in town ** because they are requesting them ** . One of the most often used videos is from Deaconess hospital. I have made several myself for donation to this cause. No, they are not N95 grade, but as others have mentioned, they can be helpful. We donate, and the hospitals and other care providers put them through their own sterilization process before using them. Google it and find out the positive aspects in preventing the transmission of germs. ** They do not prevent the transmission of coronavirus in a medical setting, and nobody is claiming they do. They do, however, help prevent coronavirus contamination by keeping your hands from your nose and mouth while in a setting where the virus is present. ** Please research this before discounting it off-handedly.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623 4/3/2020 3:16:38 AM (No. 366753)
You can't even buy a paint mask here. I have a couple and been wearing them for a couple of weeks. Cannot afford to get sick.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 4/3/2020 6:06:37 AM (No. 366781)
Umm...hospitals are out! 3M has been selling millions of them to overseas buyers for more money and won't sell to our own hospitals... Where EXACTLY are the American People suppose to get a mask??? Look online. I dare you to find a mask anywhere. We will be wrapping up with scarves and wearing glasses if possible. Feeling a bit helpless out here...and I DON'T LIKE feeling this way!!! Give us more guidance than wear a mask!!!
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Reply 28 - Posted by: ROLFNader 4/3/2020 8:58:07 AM (No. 366940)
Unfortunately, in the current predicament, we are finding that many 'recommendations' become mandates. Our governor ( who should just stick to campaigning to be Joe Biden's VP). Grinchin HalfWitless, is prone to doing just that. She was among the first to make us stay home/stay safe and just the other day, ended the Michigan school year ,with a mere wave of her wand.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: kono 4/3/2020 2:03:04 PM (No. 367337)
Cloth masks ought to be about as effective at blocking viruses as fishnet body stockings are at hiding the bodies beneath them. The spaces between threads in the cloth are orders of magnitude bigger than the virus they are supposed to filter.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: earlybird 4/3/2020 5:06:25 PM (No. 367521)
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Reply 31 - Posted by: earlybird 4/3/2020 10:38:49 PM (No. 367740)
The COVID-19 virus is sticky. It sticks to fabric. Sticks to surfaces. Not likely to pass through the recommended double layers of fabric. We have a choice. Read #30.
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