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COVID-19 Deaths So Far:
Where Is the Crisis? (Updated)

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Posted By: MissMolly, 3/27/2020 5:11:07 AM

I have updated this chart a number of times, based on data from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control, and will continue to do so. It shows, for one thing, how far COVID-19 has to go before it equals the average seasonal flu mortality, worldwide. If I had to predict, I would guess that it will eventually reach the average level. Will it get to 2x the average number of flu deaths, worldwide? Looking at current trends, I don’t see how that will happen. But time will tell. Likewise in the U.S. You still can’t see the bar for COVID-19,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: IowaDad 3/27/2020 5:41:31 AM (No. 359421)
Approx Deaths in the US, per year: Total 2,813,000 Injuries 150,000 MVA 50,000 Influenza 50,000 Suicide 45,000 Homicide 20,000 COVID (Kung Flu) 1,050 Abortions 450,000
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Reply 2 - Posted by: franq 3/27/2020 5:58:51 AM (No. 359425)
They told us 60 million in this country had H1N1. Hussein was pResident to it was no big deal. They now tell us COVID can live up to 72 hours on surfaces. Yet when AIDS came out they worked at breakneck speed to tell us how fragile that virus was, so as not to cast a stigma on the homosexuals. They are hammering this crisis like there is no tomorrow. And for the libs, there won't be if they can't crash society. Lord, please have mercy.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: MissGrits 3/27/2020 6:11:37 AM (No. 359432)
What any sane person has been saying from the get go!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Bur Oak 3/27/2020 6:44:45 AM (No. 359444)
In a few weeks when people find they've been harmed without good reason they are going to be quite angry.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: gone2pot 3/27/2020 6:54:48 AM (No. 359449)
Typically Congress shoots we the voters in the foot, then their solution is to make us overpay by thousands of times for a wire bottle brush and margarita salt. Congress then sets up huge foot hole reamer department bureaucracies forcing us not only to pay for their disasters that they swear are the ONLY solutions but enact laws forcing us to get our foot holes reamed out. then they're outraged if we don't act like we're grateful. However, THIS Chicom virus power grab with its 6 trillion dollar debt addition forces us into modern monetary theory where Congress can spend quadrillions, literally quadrillions for foot hole reamers and all the fed has to do is print currency into existence forever AND they can force us to pay Congress to hoard the Constitution so they can use it as their personal toilet paper. Uncle Sugar Teet is going to add six trillion dollars to the debt over a Chicom virus no more dangerous than the 1918 Spanish flu because they used their pandemic of fear and panic to totally shut down the ONLY economy in the world that matters and use that to grab infinite amounts of unconstitutional powers. Congress has morphed into Kruschev, and is GOING TO bury us. And Massie, who will be vilified and destroyed by conservatives no less, is the ONLY member of Congress who has the courage to at least say, "wait just a second folks, something's really wrong here." History buffs, remember the copse of trees at the end of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg; the "high tide of the Confederacy"? Well, by design, our government just placed us there and the cannons are a-blazin' right this minute over manufactured fear and panic. In a year or so, the canons will be ablazin', measuring this nation and will certainly find us wanting.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Mekkkk 3/27/2020 7:06:51 AM (No. 359460)
Facts.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: F15 Gork 3/27/2020 7:14:20 AM (No. 359461)
I feel like I’m watching the weather channel hyping an afternoon thunderstorm into a Cat 5 hurricane....
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DCGIRL 3/27/2020 7:23:56 AM (No. 359467)
Thank you #1. Your information is very helpful. The question is why????? Why did this happen? Was it intentional or just stupidity by the so called experts making the projections. I'm leaning that it was planned to a certain extent. I think that democrats got ahold of this information and extorted it, then the media ran with it. I truly believe that they thought if they destroyed the economy everyone in the U.S. would turn on Trump.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 3/27/2020 7:50:56 AM (No. 359483)
Been tuning in Dr. Phil the last couple of days. He is running his show from the basement of his house and talking about COVID-19. One thing I heard for the first time is COVID-19 is 20 times more communicable than the flu. Now I'm wondering if this is going to be the new talking, and where did that little 'fact' come from. The fear mongers have to come up with something new since the fatalities aren't materializing.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Winstonian 3/27/2020 7:59:55 AM (No. 359487)
CYA? From the CDC website; Mission CDC works 24/7 to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same. CDC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise. Oops!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: ARKfamily 3/27/2020 8:03:25 AM (No. 359492)
#5, who is Uncle Sugar Teet?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: MDConservative 3/27/2020 8:22:41 AM (No. 359504)
You recall when Peter was leaving Rome and ran into an apparition of Jesus asking "Quo Vadis?" He had a "significant life experience" and turned around. People occasionally have such in their lives, where an experience changes one's lifestyle or behavior - and it needn't be spiritual. Your doc tells you your blood pressure is extremely high, you're 50 pounds overweight, family history of stroke and heart attack, and you may die...out comes the diet plan for real. That's what this whole hysteria is increasingly looking to create for the nation. That "fundamental change" we've been hearing about for years didn't stop with PDT's election. Even staunch "capitalists" are grabbing at that free government money and justifying taking it. That isn't capitalism...it's some other -ism.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 3/27/2020 8:30:21 AM (No. 359512)
"What has changed?" This virus is an unknown. John throws out some maybe numbers but the fear is that they could be much higher. If they go to those levels, it will be impossible to get treatment. When people get sick, they go to the hospital. At that point, we have done all we can do even if the hospital is simply a place for them to die. The image of a person staying at home, excluded from care because of inadequate space, people, and supplies, watching them gasping for breath, and dying is TERRIFYING to most people. Few have direct experience with a dying person outside the hospital. I worked in a hospital many years ago and did see people die. I am not one to be disturbed easily. I went through it with my mother at home recently and it was unnerving. I knew I still had doctor and hospital backup if needed. If this virus gets bad, we wouldn't. The typical flu season hasn't, in general, overwhelmed our health facilities. We have tests and vaccines in an attempt to prepare. Even when the vaccines are less effective and deaths soar, the explanation is built into the system. We guessed wrong on the strain of flu. More die but the health system, while strained, manages. The difference is the unknown, fear, and the possible starkness of direct confrontation with suffering and death. The media is showing this happening in other countries. It is real and could happen here. Is the media hyping the pandemic? Yes, and this is new as well, unfortunately they are now showmen and BREAKING NEWS is being screamed nonstop. Bad, bad, bad, bad. If someone were in your house constantly bombarding you with doom and gloom, most people would go crazy. At least we can shut the TV off. Sadly, some of us are like a moth to a flame. Further, since they are so political, they are questioning leaders and experts with foolish chatter, undermining faith that something effective is being done. And while the numbers so far are reassuring to people like me who know them, I can also recognize that the numbers a week ago were much less and the US is now THE country with the most cases. For me, that raises concern. For many it evokes panic and fear, justified or not. There is the crisis and then there is how people feel about it. The first can be watched and measured. The second just IS.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: udanja99 3/27/2020 8:40:00 AM (No. 359523)
#1, I don’t know where you got that number on abortions - it may be just the number from Planned Parenthood alone. In 47 years of legal abortion there have been almost 60 million in this country - that works out to more than a million each year. 1.27 million to be exact. It is the number one cause of death every year.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: udanja99 3/27/2020 8:43:16 AM (No. 359529)
#11, he’s Uncle Sam - or you can call him the US government. And he’s got millions of Americans feeding on that sweet teat. Courtesy of you, the taxpayer.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Doc1 3/27/2020 8:46:32 AM (No. 359532)
Exactly. That's what I have been saying. People have gone crazy.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: msjena 3/27/2020 8:49:56 AM (No. 359535)
I have been wondering--what if we posted the number of common cold infections daily? Or the flu? Wouldn't the numbers be staggering and, with the cold at least, far greater than the Wuhan virus numbers? Relatively speaking, the numbers are fairly small. In New York, the infection rate is less than 4% if my math is correct, with around a 1.5% (1.5% of 4%) mortality rate. Of course, any mortality rate is too high, but it appears than most who have died had a serious pre-existing condition that the virus aggravated. So the virus is not entirely responsible for the deaths, especially in the very elderly population. I wonder how many elderly residents of nursing homes die from the flu or even a bad cold? Probably a lot.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: ARKfamily 3/27/2020 8:54:33 AM (No. 359539)
Thank you #15. Couldn't tell if it was a pet name for Donald Trump. Given that I don't know anyone on this website, it is 50/50 whether you support this President or not. I agree with the fact that the media hyped this up but Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place and I happen to think he is trying to do the best he can with the circumstances. People are experiencing death or loss or both and he cares about America. Opinions are cheap and free but I will support this President during this virus outbreak.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 3/27/2020 9:03:33 AM (No. 359550)
Either this was ginned up from the get-go or the media did their usual hype, and somebody saw an opportunity. Make no mistake, it was engineered at some level, and way too many cows stampeded.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: 3XALADY 3/27/2020 9:07:05 AM (No. 359553)
@11 I wonder if he is referring to Nanzi. She says there will be two more of these bills to sign.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/27/2020 9:08:18 AM (No. 359556)
The central questions remain - was this a pre-planned crisis? Or purely accidental? What was the Wuhan lab doing with the virus in the first place? Did they develop the virus themselves or did they steal it from someplace else. And it just happens to be an election year in America and the Chinese, like the msm, hate the President. So a little election meddling was in order? If we had a President Billary, would this virus outbreak have happened at all? Would we have the current level of hysteria being ginned up by the msm and would America be sitting on its hands with 50 percent of the economy shutdown with the federal government forced to print another $2 trillion to keep the country afloat? And curious that Russia's Putie just happened to be ready to damage America's oil & industry by continuing to glut the market with crude oil and gas right after the virus pandemic started, forcing spot prices down and thus wiping out American oil & gas companies. Or the Chinese developed the virus themselves for whatever reason and sloppy procedures allowed the virus to escape the Wuhan lab and Putie had separately planned to tank the oil & gas market, anyway?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Rumblehog 3/27/2020 9:43:23 AM (No. 359593)
The reason people fear this Flu is because of published "uncertainty" from the medical establishment. "We know nothing of this new fresh hell!" was broadcast far and wide, nearly equating Corona to Ebola, and now the world's in panic mode. Kung Flu fear will soon give way to Cabin fever angst.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: planetgeo 3/27/2020 10:24:37 AM (No. 359654)
The leftists and their enemedia have unquestionably been exploiting and hyping this epidemic. And without providing any parallel comparable statistics (as Hinderaker has done, and #1 has done), the raw numbers, speed of increase, and showing of worst case videos (Italy, Seattle, NYC, etc.), function like pouring gasoline on a fire. It's taken a few weeks here to get a decent read on the key stats (for me it's the percentage of deaths to confirmed cases - about 1.3%), but I believe, as both Dr. Brix and Dr. Fauci confirmed yesterday, that this has now settled in enough to confirm that it's not deadlier than previous pandemics like H1N1 or the Spanish Flu, which had NO enforced general quarantines. And therefore , the extreme measures taken, perhaps useful for slowing down its spread, do not justify any long-term extension of the general quarantine (though possibly still useful in isolated hotspots). But let's take a look at why certain politicians could so easily order a general lockdown and destruction of businesses and livelihoods. Aside from the obvious political motive of damaging Trump by destroying the great economy he clearly was responsible for, I believe there is another factor that needs to be understood and corrected going forward. Namely, NONE of these politicians or their most important voting bases (government workers, academicians, etc.) have lost anything as a result of these actions. Their pay continues without interruption. Their pensions continue to be contributed to. Their Cadillac healthcare plans continue to be paid for, etc. In effect, they are getting an unlimited leave with full pay. It's a feature, not a bug. This must end! To insure that such extreme measures are never taken again (like possibly next year's relapse season for COVID, for example) without a DISINCENTIVE to these politicians and their support base, they all need to suffer consequences along with the rest of us. No more, no less. I therefore propose that in any such future quarantine (which may in fact be required) that all politicians and publicly funded employees (local, state, federal) be included in loss-of-pay provisions. Furthermore, in identifying which jobs are deemed essential, that both private AND government entities be triaged in such a list. THAT will end the capricious or politically motivated lockdown decisions. And if not, we go to the Constitution for the Final Remedy.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: weejun 3/27/2020 10:30:58 AM (No. 359661)
#13, I suggest you watch Dr. Birx’s comments during the White House presser: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/26/dr_birx_coronavirus_data_doesnt_match_the_doomsday_media_predictions_or_analysis.html. This woman knows more about pandemics than anybody on the planet, and I choose to trust her before anybody in the media. By the way, I can’t find this anywhere on the news because it doesn’t fit the media’s doomsday narrative.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 3/27/2020 11:05:28 AM (No. 359713)
George H.W. Bush was conned by Dick Darman into believing there was a "fiscal crisis" in 1992. George W. Bush was conned by Alan Paulson into believing there was a "financial crisis" in 2008. And now - - Donald J. Trump has been conned by Tony Fauci into believing there is a "pandemic crisis" in 2020. I can understand how the brain-dead Bushes were easily conned. But Trump? How disappointing - - how terribly disappointing.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: darnright 3/27/2020 11:31:22 AM (No. 359750)
Very interesting 24. I believe the good Dr. Birx is the Godfather of experts on this entire topic. As it is today, I would vote for her for president 5 years from now...
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Luandir 3/27/2020 11:58:30 AM (No. 359801)
"Never let a crisis go to waste." It also gives authoritarian elements a chance to test how much we'll put up with.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: NotaBene 3/27/2020 12:08:10 PM (No. 359814)
With Trump, hydroxy-Cloroquine, azithromycin and masks we have this bug beat.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: garyhope 3/27/2020 12:47:11 PM (No. 359865)
This whole thing is a scam by the toilet paper, paper towel and bottled water industries to sell more stuff.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: DVC 3/27/2020 1:04:39 PM (No. 359889)
Wuhan flu is 5 to12 times as deadly as the common flu. Since most take almost zero precautions against the common flu, even ignoring the vaccinations, the common flu has a huge number of cases, so that even with a 0.1% death rate, the death numbers run around 35,000 per year, plus or minus 20,000 deaths. With this higher death rate, had we responded like common flu, we would expect 20 to 30 million cases, like common flu. If the death rate is like Germany, about 0.6%, that is up to 180,000 deaths. If the death rate is at the more likely 1.2%, that is 360,000 deaths. At the more than 3% China was reporting, that is about a million deaths in the USA. These are the numbers that were spooking even the calmer epidemiologists early on, when all we had was Chinese "data". But, with our massive changes in behavior, the infection numbers are officially about 86,000 in the USA, perhaps twice that unreported, perhaps 250,000 total cases in the USA at this point. So, about 1% of the normal penetration SO FAR, compared to common flu. So, our behavior changes have eliminated 99% of the cases, eliminating 99% of the deaths, so far. This is good. But it has come at a cost. But like any event which didn't happen, or was dramatically mitigated, people hate the inconvenience "for no good reason".
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Deborah Grannet 3/27/2020 2:17:14 PM (No. 359999)
'Namely, NONE of these politicians or their most important voting bases (government workers, academicians, etc.) have lost anything as a result of these actions.' Bingo, #24. I work as a contractor at a public school, and I love my school colleagues, almost all of whom are dedicated, decent, hardworking folks. But there would be a lot more howling and skepticism from them if they, like me, were losing pay.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Red Ghost 3/27/2020 2:44:48 PM (No. 360028)
Blessings and prayers to Rush Limbaugh. Listening to him speak about this crisis today for the half hour he was on, it struck me that this is the Left's ultimate victim dream. The entire country now is a victim and the only way out is for overwhelming government intervention. Democrats will be going to the mattresses to institutionalize these $1,000 payments to citizens and other radical elements of this pork laden bill. Republican good intentions turn really fast into Democrat accepted and demanded policy. Hopefully, Trump will not let that happen. Who would have thought a few weeks ago, that winning the November election, keeping the Senate, re-electing Trump and crushing the House would become even more critical. If the Dems take over, given these "stimulus" packages, we really won't recognize this country not years from now, but months from now.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Skeptical1 3/27/2020 6:21:36 PM (No. 360212)
The healthcare system seems to take seasonal flu more or less in stride, even though the total number of flu hospitalizations may be much higher. COVID may be different for a couple of reasons. First, I think the cases may be more concentrated in specific areas, so hospitals in some areas are disproportionately affected. The total flu numbers may be higher, but I suspect the cases are more spread out than COVID. Second, COVID may be more resource intensive, requiring a higher level of care over a longer period of time. Just comparing numbers of cases and deaths may not capture the real difference.
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Governor Gretchen Whitmer from the Michigan Directorate has threatened to turn the eye of the state upon any doctor or pharmacist who would attempt to prescribe chloroquine to treat their patients suffering from coronavirus. Medical licenses may need to be revoked. The agency’s March 24 letter warns physicians and pharmacists of professional consequences for the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine). Beyond the rational recommendation against hoarding, the letter includes threats of “administrative action” against the licenses of doctors that prescribe hydroxychloroquine.
Meghan and Harry forget all about their
vow to never live in America so long as
Trump is president, moving to Hollywood
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Posted by PageTurner 3/27/2020 5:50:46 PM Post Reply
Meghan Markle and hubby Prince Harry weren't as sour about sharing a country with President Trump as we last heard from Meghan. According to Page Six at the New York Post: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have fled coronavirus in Canada to set up a permanent home in California, taking a private jet to Los Angeles, a source confirmed to Page Six. The couple, with their 10-month-old baby, Archie, took a secret flight to the LA area, leaving their recent bolthole on Vancouver Island after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the country's borders were closing last week.
Coronavirus: Illegal Aliens Demand
$1.2K Each in Taxpayer-Funded Checks
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Posted by PageTurner 3/28/2020 7:28:42 AM Post Reply
Illegal aliens are demanding they too receive $1,200 in federal checks from the government as part of a Chinese coronavirus crisis relief package. Open borders organizations like the George Soros-funded United We Dream, the National Immigrant Justice Center, and the National Immigration Law Center — all of which represent the roughly 11 to 22 million illegal aliens living in the United States — are pleading with the federal government to cut federal checks to illegal aliens who have Individual Tax Identification Number (ITINs).
New Yorkers irked to feel unwelcome
in states fearing coronavirus spread
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Posted by NorthernDog 3/28/2020 12:41:02 PM Post Reply
Many New Yorkers say they are miffed at being treated as the poster children of the U.S. coronavirus outbreak, unwelcome in some states even if they are symptom-free. This week, Rhode Island, Florida and West Virginia appeared to roll up the welcome mats to residents of the Empire State. Rhode Island went as far as to post state troopers at its border to stop cars with New York license plates, requiring occupants to go into quarantine if they intend to stay. "How is this fair?" said Michelle Chu, 44, a graphics producer who lives Manhattan. "I mean, this thing is
MI Gov. Bans Hydroxychloroquine;
Constituent Who Credits the Drug for
Saving His Life Wants to Talk
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Posted by JackBurton 3/28/2020 8:16:11 AM Post Reply
The Detroit News’ Kathy Hoekstra reports that Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) has sent a letter to all physicians and pharmacists in the state warning of “professional consequences” if they prescribe or dispense hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to treat coronavirus patients. Hoekstra writes that “beyond the rational recommendation against hoarding as production of this medication needs to be ramped up, the letter deviates into open threats (snip)
Coronavirus in New York: Letitia James
leads fight to stop Texas abortion ban
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Posted by Ribicon 3/27/2020 2:11:23 PM Post Reply
New York Attorney General Letitia James is leading a coalition to stop Texas from blocking abortions during the coronavirus pandemic, her office announced Friday. Earlier this week, Texas issued a directive banning all non-emergency surgeries and procedures, including abortions, to free up resources. “Texas and other states are using the coronavirus as an excuse to deny women their constitutional right to an abortion,” James said in a statement. “This is a full-on assault on women’s reproductive rights not only in Texas, but across the country, and I will not allow any state to usurp the rights of women enshrined in the Constitution.”
Coronavirus likely to kill 81K in
US over next four months,
study warns
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Posted by AltaD 3/27/2020 1:58:36 PM Post Reply
The coronavirus is likely to kill more than 81,000 people in the US over the next four months — but the death toll could be twice that if precautions like social distancing are relaxed too soon, according to an alarming new study. Deaths from the contagion are largely expected to peak in the second week of April — later in states where the spread (Snip) an analysis by the University of Washington School of Medicine forecasts.The final death toll is unlikely to be less than 38,000 nationally and could be as high as 162,000 — with the team predicting the most likely number to be 81,114 deaths.
Kathy Griffin sticks to COVID-19 angle
despite being sent home from hospital
with abdominal infection
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Posted by ladydawgfan 3/27/2020 11:25:04 AM Post Reply
Comedian Kathy Griffin continued to dramatize her stint at a hospital coronavirus isolation ward despite being sent home with an abdominal infection. Griffin bashed the Trump administration when she revealed she was in a hospital Wednesday but could not get tested for COVID-19 “because of CDC (Pence task force) restrictions.” Though the 59-year-old entertainer showed none of the coronavirus symptoms and was sent home with a different diagnosis, she took to Twitter to claim she “still has no idea” whether she tested positive or negative for the virus. In a series of tweets Thursday, Griffin quoted from a Los Angeles Times article on her experience,
COVID-19 Deaths So Far:
Where Is the Crisis? (Updated)
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Posted by MissMolly 3/27/2020 5:11:07 AM Post Reply
I have updated this chart a number of times, based on data from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control, and will continue to do so. It shows, for one thing, how far COVID-19 has to go before it equals the average seasonal flu mortality, worldwide. If I had to predict, I would guess that it will eventually reach the average level. Will it get to 2x the average number of flu deaths, worldwide? Looking at current trends, I don’t see how that will happen. But time will tell. Likewise in the U.S. You still can’t see the bar for COVID-19,
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