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After Supreme Court Bans Mandatory
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Posted By: MissMolly, 3/15/2020 5:04:58 AM

In 2018, Mark Janus convinced the Supreme Court that mandatory government union dues violate the First Amendment. Now he wants his money back. After his triumph at the High Court, Janus asked a federal trial judge to require the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) pay out about $3,000 in agency fees the union collected from his paycheck between 2013 and 2018. The judge declined and Janus lost on appeal, prompting a new petition to the Supreme Court. So-called right-to-work cause lawyers including the Liberty Justice Center and the National Right to Work Foundation are litigating some 30 cases

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Reply 1 - Posted by: RuckusTom 3/15/2020 7:06:11 AM (No. 346761)
Public unions should be outlawed. The taxpayer to public employees to union dues to fat cats to democrat legislatures to keep the public employees in place is a perpetual motion contraption that needs to be stopped.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: mythman 3/15/2020 7:11:22 AM (No. 346762)
Agency fees are not union dues. They are the expenses a union entails in negotiating contracts and benefits for its workers. If an employee does not want to pay these minimal charges for benefits, s/he should negotiate his/her own contracts without any of the protections enjoyed by participating union members.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: worried 3/15/2020 7:25:20 AM (No. 346768)
If they aren't union dues, #2, why was I forced to pay the full amount of the dues? And why was I forced to pay dues to the local, state and national teacher's union? Not just "agency fees", but the full amount? And we had no choice in the matter.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: 4Justice 3/15/2020 7:29:54 AM (No. 346772)
Government employees should not be unionized...period!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: RCFLyer98 3/15/2020 7:58:25 AM (No. 346792)
Exactly #3. I paid dues to the union, which the lion share went to the state and national union. Those entities had no part in negotiating wages and benefits that the local achieved.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Strike3 3/15/2020 8:24:33 AM (No. 346818)
Unions do exactly nothing for workers except drive a wedge between them and management and create constant animosity. Their other "benefit" is to make sure that the bottom feeders in the work force keep their jobs for life no matter how useless they are. More money is spent by the union to keep their officials dressed in expensive tailored suits than to actually help workers and the organized crime relationship has been a factor for decades.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jacksin5 3/15/2020 8:38:33 AM (No. 346832)
It has been my experience that Public Employee Unions do two things, Collect money in order to lobby (bribe) the DNC and protect incompetent employees.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: mobyclik 3/15/2020 8:48:39 AM (No. 346848)
They also need those dues for their annual meetings at places like Las Vegas, Miami, San Franfreako (not so much there anymore) the Bahamas, Hawaii or NYC. What's wrong with Peoria or Wichita or some other part of Flyover Country?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: TLCary 3/15/2020 9:24:21 AM (No. 346894)
#1 and #4 Even Franklin Roosevelt agreed. Unions are not and never have been an example of democracy in action. They are an oligarchy of mob bosses over a bureaucracy of fascist thugs. All the union members get to vote on is who gets to be their next thug. They certainly don't get to decide who gets their collective political campaign donations.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Strike3 3/15/2020 9:51:07 AM (No. 346932)
There is a reason that union "representation" of the work force has dropped to 8%, people eventually figure out that they are better off without them. It would be even lower if the democrat party did not force membership in situations where they can. If you are good at your job, the employer needs you, not the other way around.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: VietVet68 3/15/2020 10:02:39 AM (No. 346946)
In the beginning unions provided a valuable service to workers and protected them from corrupt corporate practices. Now the workers need protection from corrupt union practices not to mention the corruption associated with politicians who enjoy the support of union leaders. Their time seems to have come and gone.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: DVC 3/15/2020 11:25:38 AM (No. 347023)
Damn straight. You stole my money, and I want it BACK. I hope they have to cough up every penny and that it hurts them a LOT. Darned leftist thieves.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: padiva 3/15/2020 11:49:35 AM (No. 347045)
In the mid-70's I worked for the state of NJ. The union helped several employees file an incompetency complaint against the immediate supervisor (on Dec 24th). It took 9 months to get this supervisor fired. Yes, he was incompetent. During this 9 months, he was caught driving the state car to Trenton for a hearing while he had a suspended drivers license. (drunk driving) Everyone was happy when he was gone.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DrOstrow 3/15/2020 12:38:21 PM (No. 347110)
Unions are almost, by definition, socialistic - everyone gets paid the same for doing the same job. Nice theory, but everyone doesn't do the same quality of work and after a while the ones doing good work start to wonder why because the loafers and deadbeats are getting the same pay/benefits/etc. The meetings, at times, are used to re-enforce the idea that the unions are absolutely necessary. Something along the lines of - If we weren't fighting for you stupid fools everyday, why, the greedy owners of this company would have you working for 25 cents a day !!. Maybe when they were first created but not anymore. Now they are simply parasites. I never could see what the union was doing for me that I couldn't do for my self and a lot cheaper. I can negotiate my own pay, benefits etc. and I don't need a union for job security. Sorry, I'll pass.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: stablemoney 3/15/2020 12:42:59 PM (No. 347115)
The SEIU should have to return every cent they stole from stay at home workers taking care of the elderly. Then the SEIU leaders should be put into prison for the scam.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 3/15/2020 1:07:18 PM (No. 347136)
It's sad that they think there is money waiting to be turned over in a successful law suit. That money has been spent bribing democrats and building lake houses.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: DVC 3/15/2020 1:38:26 PM (No. 347174)
#14, in our large aerospace weapons manufacturing company, the biggest union problem was just as you point out. We might have 12 people working in a particular job, but when we had a really important thing that HAD TO be done properly, I would talk to the supervisor and make certain that it was assigned to one of the 6 or so of out of those 12 "identically skilled" people, paid the same, who would actually be certain to do it skillfully to the best standards and not require rework when schedules were tight, or the budget tight, couldn't stand the scrap rate from the less competent folks. And we could NOT pay the good workers any more, union rules. VERY frustrating, and very costly BS.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: 24tea@Mag 3/15/2020 2:53:05 PM (No. 347242)
Union dues are about greed and contributing to Democats. It’s about time they are outlawed. Do you really think you will get what your promised. Gone when needed.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Timber Queen 3/15/2020 4:21:25 PM (No. 347317)
The SEIU (spit) extorted $4,550 from me over my seven years hard-time at Socialist Services. I'd argue with the union rep over it every year when he called to get me to be a full member. The only satisfaction I ever got out of that money.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Timber Queen 3/15/2020 4:43:04 PM (No. 347337)
Please indulge a second comment. I just read the posts. #15 - Yes! I was the analyst for the In Home Supportive Services for my county and had to implement the program. I remember when the SEIU was "organizing" our home workers. Their scare tactics and manipulation of simple, good people was disgusting. When the union began sending out their packets I prepared a letter from my Adult Services Director to explain important information neglected in the union materials; that the County Board of Supervisors approved union organization if only 13% of the workers voting voted for it, therefore people who were against the union had to vote no. It seemed obvious to me that it was the County's responsibility to make sure the workers were fully informed. When I presented the letter to the Director she told me that the County "couldn't" get involved in the union vote at all. I saw the collusion between local governments and the SEIU in person. I tried my best to get the word out among the conservative social workers (there were 2), but our people were sold down the river. The SEIU leaders are thugs and need to be jailed.
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