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The Supreme Court Just Ruled On
The Census Citizenship Question

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Posted By: Imright, 6/27/2019 11:20:41 AM

The Supreme Court ordered further proceedings in the dispute over a citizenship question on the 2020 census form Thursday, saying the Trump administration apparently concealed its true reason for adding the query. Chief Justice John Roberts delivered the Court’s opinion, portions of which were unanimous. “It is rare to review a record as extensive as the one before us when evaluating informal agency action — and it should be,” Roberts wrote. “But having done so for the sufficient reasons we have explained, we cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given. Our review is deferential, but we are “not required to exhibit a naiveté

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Reply 1 - Posted by: winmag 6/27/2019 11:27:54 AM (No. 108026)
What kind of dirt to the dems have on Roberts? He is a total waste. Please resign and let Trump pick a new judge.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: qr4j 6/27/2019 11:29:23 AM (No. 108028)
So why is it okay to ask on a census form what race or gender one is? We don't base representation in government on either of those attributes.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Refried 6/27/2019 11:42:34 AM (No. 108035)
Roberts is as worthless as Dubya was.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: aasilver 6/27/2019 11:45:06 AM (No. 108037)
Ask the basic question - what is the purpose of the census? It is to determine representation of the people and to determine distribution of tax revenue. Neither one of these basic reasons should be influenced by non-citizens. Why are we wasting 10's of millions of dollars on the census? Do the 5 judges that voted against the citizenship issue have ANY common sense. NO!!!!!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Readaholic 6/27/2019 11:47:15 AM (No. 108041)
#3 is absolutely right. And to think we were relieved that we got Roberts instead of Harriet Miers. No difference after all.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/27/2019 11:51:32 AM (No. 108044)
Mr. Roberts, what about the other questions on the census. If an innocuous question like "are you a citizen" cannot be asked, I really cannot see how any of the other questions can be asked. Certainly ALL the questions deserve the same scrutiny as the citizenship question, Mr. Roberts.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Jubal 6/27/2019 11:57:25 AM (No. 108047)
This is Rip van Winkle and I had a question, but it's been answered. I was wondering what happened to Justice Kennedy, but — no problem, that Roberts fellow seems like a good replacement.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: john56 6/27/2019 12:05:44 PM (No. 108053)
Okay. I'm just going to answer name, address and age stuff. Anything else obviously is unconstitutional. Roberts reprises his Obamacare bailout role.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: bighambone 6/27/2019 12:07:47 PM (No. 108054)
When you go behind all the legal delay and trickery, this time going into the deliberative process behind the decision of the Trump Administration decision to place the perfectly reasonable citizenship question on the 2020 Census what do your have? The reason that the Trump Administration wanted that question on the Census was so that it could be determined how many US citizens and how many aliens are actually in the country and where they are living. Common sense will tell you that very few US Citizens are going to refuse to respond to the Census because of that question. The leftist and liberal Democrats do not want the citizenship question on the Census, because they claim that millions of aliens who the Democrats claim to represent will refuse to answer the Census and therefore will not be counted because they do not want to disclose the fact that they are non-citizens, with about 22 million of them being in the country illegally. If that were to happen it would adversely impact the Democrat run big city immigrant and low income communities where congressional districts have been moved over the years, through Congressional District reapportionment, based upon the total census figures from prior Censuses. That would mean that the Democrats would have a harder time winning those seats if they were again reapportioned to much less Democrat politically dominant areas of the country, based upon only the population figures of US citizens, and if they were moved to a different State the corresponding Electoral College vote would also be moved. In addition such a possible under count would affect the amount of federal money being send to those Democrat dominant inner city communities. When you get to the bottom line, what all this this boils down to is should Congressional District lines continue to be reapportioned and drawn based upon the total population figures of an area, consisting of both US citizens, and aliens who cannot vote, with up to half the alien population consisting of illegal aliens, or should future Congressional District lines be drawn based only upon the numbers of US citizens counted in each Congressional District to ensure the equal Congressional representation of US citizens across the USA? Clearly, for now at least the Supreme Court ducked that issue.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: web 6/27/2019 12:32:14 PM (No. 108079)
Beyond asking how many in the household, the only other questions that are relevant to the census are: are you a citizen, or are you a legal immigrant. We need to know how many citizens, legal immigrants, and criminal aliens are in the country.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: lakerman1 6/27/2019 12:33:19 PM (No. 108081)
Chief Judas Roberts no longer surprises me with his legal reasoning. His epilepsy medicine must play havoc with his brain.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: DVC 6/27/2019 12:36:36 PM (No. 108087)
Dammit, this is frrustrating. And Roberts continues to be a traitor, probably still being pressured on his questionable adoptions.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: jimincalif 6/27/2019 12:40:52 PM (No. 108096)
Look for MSM articles about how Roberts has "grown" in office. Gag.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 6/27/2019 12:41:36 PM (No. 108098)
So, the Dred Pirate Roberts takes another swig of rum and cackles out his "decision."
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Reply 15 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 6/27/2019 12:43:16 PM (No. 108100)
All is not hopeless. If illegals are counted in the census, algorithms can be used to determine where they are. Eliminate normal birthrate percentages and the legal naturalizations, ala - you have located the illegals. My bet is California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, New York, Chicago, Florida.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: RapierWit 6/27/2019 12:43:39 PM (No. 108101)
Roberts - The most disastrous appointee since Earl Warren. Either his his liberal cards close to his vest prior to his appointment OR he was turned whilst on the Court itself. Kavanaugh is traveling that same road. Expect more of the same
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Reply 17 - Posted by: RedWhite&Blue2 6/27/2019 1:03:45 PM (No. 108115)
Are you an American citizen? Que? Are you here legally? Bueno? Did you sneak into America? Si! Get these home invaders outta here! Veterans for Trump 2020 KAG
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Reply 18 - Posted by: BarryNo 6/27/2019 1:23:23 PM (No. 108135)
I'll be straight forward here to the SCOTUS justices. No matter what reason Trump and Team have for wanting the census, I as a U.S. citizen demand it to keep my vote from being annulled. My vote and representation as a U.S. citizen MUST BE PROTECTED, from politics that attack it. If a state gets extra representation due to counting non-citizens, in the House - that harms ME. If illegals and others forbidden from voting can more easily defraud me - that Harms ME. If the government, my servant, harms me, I will resort to my second amendment options, and remove my government from power.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: iraengneer 6/27/2019 1:28:11 PM (No. 108139)
Roberts is worthless or worse. If he had been worth "a tinker's damn", Bush would not have made the nomination. The revenge of the Republicrats in action, once again.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: chillijilli 6/27/2019 1:35:56 PM (No. 108144)
I never do the census. Nothing has ever happened to me; my wrist has never been slapped. Do you really think they have enough employees with enough authority to come storming into my house, knocking down doors when I can simply claim I can't read because I'm visually-challenged. And I can't hear what they're asking me because I'm hearing challenged. And I'm identifying as something different on a daily basis and today I think I'm am introvert trannie so please stop harassing me and respect my need to be left alone. I figure I've got my bases covered. Another idea I recently had was to just wear a burkha when they come knocking. And just shrug whenever they ask a question.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Daisymay 6/27/2019 1:37:12 PM (No. 108147)
The Supreme Court had this case before them for a LONG time. Does anyone think it was by accident this was the LAST Case of the Term to be decided? I don't think so! It was done so that there would not be time to print the Census forms with the question. I did read that asking that question would NOT be unconstitutional. So, since the Supremes couldn't bring it upon themselves to make a decision, I would PRINT the form, WITH the Question on it. What are they going to do about it? I would just print and mail. The sooner the better. Let them scream and march and argue about the poor ILLEGALS and how they would be afraid to fill it out. Ya think! THE'RE ILLEGAL! This is such a stupid game! Legal Americans have filled out this form all their lives. Our government needs to know how many CITIZENS are in the country. It doesn't matter if the ILLEGALS aren't counted. The Democrats only want them counted so they can have more Reps in Congress, but ILLEGALS don't need to be represented because they have no RIGHTS in this country. Simple as that. I say print the darn form WITH the question on it and let the chips fall where they may!!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: bighambone 6/27/2019 1:39:27 PM (No. 108150)
Get ready for another congressional investigation commenced by the Democrats trying to use this Supreme Court decision to impeach both President Trump and Commerce Secretary Ross. This decision follows the Democrat propensity to attack the deliberative process used by the Trump Administration to make final decisions that are in the end correct. As the court said here, the decision to put the citizenship question on the Census is constitutional and legal, but that the process used by the administration to reach their decision must be further reviewed by the federal courts who can routinely now nitpick that internal administration process for years. In the end this is all about Congressional representation. Should Members of Congress represent the US citizens who voted for them, or should they represent a greater universe of constituents including the 22 million illegal aliens who are now unlawfully in the country. As we witnessed last evening during the Democrat debate when much time was taken up by leftist Democrat politicians arguing if mass uncontrolled illegal immigration should be decriminalized, and instead encouraged, at a time that about 100,000 intending poor, uneducated, and socialist minded illegal aliens, many of them unemployable in any job more skilled than manual labor, are successfully gaining unlawful entry to the USA each month through the insecure borderline?
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Reply 23 - Posted by: EQKimball 6/27/2019 1:41:39 PM (No. 108153)
The best way to innoculate adminstrative decisions and executive orders from judicial interference is to create an administrative record that starts at the bottom, meaning studies, collected research and the solicitation of competing arguments that culminate in a recommendation to the head of the agency. Orders and actions that appear driven by political calculus and have suffered from over-exposure in the political arena are vulnerable to today's decision. Done quietly and with evident scholarship, courts will almost always defer to the administration. If the President hopes to have a better outcome the circuit court on this he must avoid further comment.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: davew 6/27/2019 1:41:59 PM (No. 108155)
As EJKrauseJr correctly states the non-citizen questions provide enough information on previous residency, ethnicity and country of birth, and work history to reasonably determine citizenship status when correlated against other public records. The point of the citizenship question would be to create a perjury trap with legal consequences if the person lied or failed to answer this particular census question. If illegals are concerned about their discovery and deportation based on filling out the census form the lack of the citizenship question should not give them much comfort.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Wary American 6/27/2019 1:55:19 PM (No. 108164)
Yeah...they call it the Supreme Court...and like so much of the rhetoric out in the 'media' these days...IT IS A LIE. "Keep your powder dry fellow Americans.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 6/27/2019 3:12:40 PM (No. 108232)
With allies like Roberts, who needs enemies? The Trump administration apparently concealed its true reason for adding the query? Are the judges on the Supreme Court mind readers now? What is their evidence? They have none! If the census includes illegals, how many more Representatives will be added to Congress? Will they all be in left leaning states in left leaning cities? There are good reason to not include illegals in the census. They aren't citizens! Don't need to hide anything. Its easy to tell what the Democrats and the rest of the hardcore left are up to. They don't hide their intentions much. The real snakes are Republicans that seem OK most of the time until needed by the lefty Democrats, and then they turn on you. The census debate isn't over, and one can see where it is heading.
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