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Vatican warns US bishops over get-tough
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Posted By: Moritz55, 5/11/2021 12:36:54 PM

The head of the Vatican’s doctrine office is warning U.S. bishops to deliberate carefully and minimize divisions before proceeding with a possible plan to rebuke Roman Catholic politicians such as President Joe Biden for receiving Communion even though they support abortion rights. The strong words of caution came in a letter from Cardinal Luis Ladaria, prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, addressed to Archbishop José Gomez of Los Angeles, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. The USCCB will convene for a national meeting June 16, with plans to vote on drafting a document on the Communion issue.


God forbid the Church do something “politically polarizing” to speak truth to power and possibly save unborn lives!

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Reply 1 - Posted by: planetgeo 5/11/2021 12:41:28 PM (No. 781992)
Translation: "Whoa, Nellie...let's not be so hasty in requiring politicians to follow the same church doctrine that every other Catholic is required to follow!"
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Reply 2 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds 5/11/2021 12:49:16 PM (No. 782000)
One set of Rules for the Ruling Class, another for the Serfs... Guess not much has changed since the Middle Ages after all...
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 5/11/2021 12:56:40 PM (No. 782008)
The Vatican could use a dose of real men acting in the best interests of the faith and the faithful, instead of a Marxist Pope hellbent on destroying the Church.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: kono 5/11/2021 1:00:13 PM (No. 782013)
"even though they support abortion rights" If it was just support, there might be less of an issue. But Biden and Pelosi, in particular, champion (and even aggressively promote) those 'rights'.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: kono 5/11/2021 1:03:44 PM (No. 782020)
(Not to mention that they have worked to get American tax dollars to pay for abortions, which means forcing Catholics to commit an act that incurs excommunication. It's more than just contrary to our teaching.)
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Reply 6 - Posted by: SALady 5/11/2021 1:03:54 PM (No. 782021)
While I firmly disagree with this stance, I also understand it. Just look around. All over the world, Christians are being arrested and detained indefinitely for daring to be Christian. Just look what happened to that minister in Canada a few days ago that stood up to the Gestapo government troops who tried to invade his church. With the current anti-Christian Demon-Rat government in this country, combined with spineless Republi-Can'ts, lie-beral activist judges all throughout our legal system, and a useless Supreme Court, mass arrests of Christians, ministers, priests, and common Christians in the pews, is, sadly, very realistic in the coming days. All they need is an excuse. And when not-my-VP Matressback Whorish deposes not-my-president Lyin' Joe biden, it's going to get massively worse!!! While I truly wish the Catholic bishops, Baptist ministers, Lutheran pastors, and all other Christian "leaders" would take strong and principled stands, they have to balance the safety of their members. These truly are the "end times"!!!!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: rochow 5/11/2021 1:07:07 PM (No. 782023)
But of course, you would not expect anything less from the Commie in the Vatican! The commander in thief wants to destroy America and the Commie is trying to destroy the Catholic church!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 5/11/2021 1:10:55 PM (No. 782026)
Yeah....better to just jettison 2,000 years of Catholic and Chrisitan principles rather than 'be polarizing'. The new twist on the old joke. Is the Pope a Catholic? No, he's a Communist.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: jimboscott 5/11/2021 1:26:51 PM (No. 782045)
The Vatican was and still is a mostly political entity. No mortal was ever meant to be the head of the Church.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rather Read 5/11/2021 1:32:11 PM (No. 782051)
The late Bishop Rummel of New Orleans is turning over in his grave. He decreed that Catholic schools in the diocese were to be integrated. Some of the old die hards refused. He excommunicated them.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: BarryNo 5/11/2021 1:40:44 PM (No. 782060)
I say to the good cardinal, "stop acting like a politician, and act more like a man of God!! It is because the laxity see the church accepting sin, and accommodating sin, that the church is weakening. Stand up for God's tenants! Extend God's mercy where sin has been confessed and the contrite desire forgiveness. But enough!! Be careful, when judgement day comes - and it WILL come, that you are not driven from God's presence like Christ chased the money changers from the Temple."
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Reply 12 - Posted by: cor-vet 5/11/2021 2:11:45 PM (No. 782085)
Actually, Poster#8, the answer is no, he's not Catholic. A few years ago, there was a excommunication of a hospital worker that assisted in abortion procedures, but she wasn't a fake president.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/11/2021 2:14:19 PM (No. 782087)
#6 - I respectfully disagree with your ending statement, "While I truly wish the Catholic bishops, Baptist ministers, Lutheran pastors, and all other Christian "leaders" would take strong and principled stands, they have to balance the safety of their members." Temporal safety was not a concern of Our Lord Jesus Christ and it should not be the concern of the Church Militant, we members of the Communion of Saints here on earth. We've been attending Mass via live streaming from our Cathedral with Bishop Vasa of the Diocese of Santa Rosa. Last Sunday he gave the most powerful homily I have ever heard. He opened with a warning that soon we would be hearing news about things that could be disturbing to many Catholics. He masterfully noted the difference between the sentiment "black lives matter" and the organization "Black Lives Matter" which he identified as political with its own goals. He then moved from "black lives matter" to "all lives matter" to which all persons can agree; which included the most vulnerable of life, the baby in the womb of its mother. Abortion ends that life. He actually said the word "abortion" from the pulpit! (I audibly said, "God bless this man!") He talked of public officials claiming the mantle of "Catholic" that need to be censured. He was very clear about whom he was addressing without stating names. He encouraged all Catholics to read Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco's Pastoral Letter titled, "Before I Formed You in the Womb, I Knew You", and then to prayerfully consider the evil of abortion and its affect on our society and country. Here is the link to Archbishop Cordileone's Pastoral Letter: AMDG - For the Glory of God
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Reply 14 - Posted by: ARKfamily 5/11/2021 2:15:03 PM (No. 782089)
So my mom can be ex-communicated because of a divorce that was thrust on her but care needs to be taken for supporters of abortion?
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Reply 15 - Posted by: dst4life 5/11/2021 2:22:53 PM (No. 782097)
Berglogio and his nitwits at the Vatican are bunch of heretics and cowards.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: starbaby 5/11/2021 2:34:10 PM (No. 782123)
This coming from the Holy See of St. Peter. St. Peter who spoke boldly to the Sanhedrin, "to their rulers and elders and scribes...and boldly charged them of their guilt and sin." The same St. Peter who was crucified for his faith. I wonder what he would think of these imposters. They are not fit to call themselves Catholic. They are cowards and dishonor so many who were tortured and killed defending the Church and proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ. (Quote from "Peter, Keys to Following Jesus" by Tim Gray.)
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Reply 17 - Posted by: bad-hair 5/11/2021 2:53:58 PM (No. 782150)
Oh for the good old days of the aging Catholic Parish priest who muddled along and prayed that when his help and assurances were need that he didn't screw up too bad.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/11/2021 3:04:45 PM (No. 782164)
#14 - Unfortunately, the Catholic teaching on divorce prior to Vatican II was inadequately understood by clergy and laity alike. Even today the old misunderstandings linger. The Catholic Church does not consider a civil divorce as the end of the Sacramental Marriage. Should a Catholic suffer a divorce, against their will or with it, they are still considered married in the Church. As long as they do not co-habitat with another partner, they are free to receive Holy Communion. If either party remarries or co-habitats without a formal annulment, then that party is considered as committing adultery, a mortal sin, and no longer eligible to receive the Eucharist. However, everyone is always welcome to attend Mass and receive Spiritual Communion. The Sacrament of Marriage is a life-long relationship and given its permanence the Church recognized the need to prepare couples for this level of commitment. Since the late 1960's the Church requires couples to complete "Pre-Cana" marriage preparation. (The reference is to the marriage feast at Cana where Christ performed His first public miracle changing water into wine.) Marriage is a Sacrament that is conferred by the couple upon each other; the priest is only the witness for the Church, as well as for the state. Before the vows are exchanged, the priest asks each person if they are giving their full and free consent. This is the fulcrum on which the Sacrament is validated. Therefore, whether or not a Catholic marriage can be annulled rests on the question if one or both parties misrepresented themselves when they answered that question before God on His altar. A Marriage Tribunal requires a lengthy, very personal, questionnaire be filled out and an investigation into the circumstances of the marriage at the time it took place. Because the focus of the Church is on the level of commitment at the time the marriage was made, and not what took place during the marriage, people are reluctant for such a deep personal reflection and do not pursue the option that would keep them in full Communion.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: SALady 5/11/2021 3:14:03 PM (No. 782170)
#13, I am a realist. It's easy to talk from the safety of an anonymous website. But how are you going to feel as you are being shackled and thrown in a cell, while watching your wife and children being taken away to an unknown fate?!?!?!? If you want to be a martyr, go for it. There are lots of chances today. But I could not survive knowing that my children and grandchildren are being sent to "re-education camps" to be turned into nice little communist atheists!!! But we are not far from that!!!
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Reply 20 - Posted by: udanja99 5/11/2021 3:33:28 PM (No. 782187)
Ask me again why I no longer attend mass.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: dst4life 5/11/2021 3:35:00 PM (No. 782189)
#19, how do you know you are anonymous on this website? The surveillance going on in this country is massive. Every totalitarian regime engages in massive surveillance. And we are now a totalitarian regime. If you want to save yourself and your family, you need to stop posting. Period.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: KTWO 5/11/2021 3:42:13 PM (No. 782194)
Not a Catholic. No dog in that fight. But it seems to me as if the Vatican needs the Catholics of the world more than said Catholics need the Vatican.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: jimincalif 5/11/2021 3:54:44 PM (No. 782204)
I knew this was coming.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: sailannapolis 5/11/2021 4:35:15 PM (No. 782233)
Born and raise and scholled in the Catholic faith, I am so done with it.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Vaquero45 5/11/2021 4:59:04 PM (No. 782251)
Like a few of the posters here, I was born and raised a Catholic. I jettisoned that religion years ago. It has hollowed itself out from the inside.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: JHHolliday 5/11/2021 5:29:30 PM (No. 782272)
#21 is correct. However, as a life member of the NRA, a life member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and a Christian I am surely already on the left’s s*** list. I have lived a long enjoyable life and ready to goo but I am depressed about what my grandchildren will face in the future.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: MickTurn 5/11/2021 6:36:02 PM (No. 782326)
The current Pope is a COMMUNIST, Next Question.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: TexaTucky 5/11/2021 6:59:00 PM (No. 782367)
You are correct, #9. That’s why Christ is the head of the Church. We are His body.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: bighambone 5/11/2021 10:09:52 PM (No. 782521)
Bottom line, as usual with big time Democrat plastic Catholics, they will end up doing nothing.
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