What Life Is Like In California’s
Post-Apocalyptic Landscape

We have controlled burns in FL. Californian's do not deserve what governs them but will they keep electing liberals ?

"We failed to emulate that practice, and, as even Mother Jones concedes, so much fuel accumulated in the wilderness that megafires began burning year after year." "WE' did not fail . The tree-huggers and the Climate Change panic merchants and the left corrupt politicians who though they would coast to power on their coattails as the next populist agenda of the "woke" generation did. when they stopped the seasonal winter " controlled burns" of the forest floor debris made up of dead branches, fallen DEAD trees and useless undergrowth making up the tinder dry fire fuels. for the sake of "respecting nature". Respecting nature has turned out the MURDER of hundreds of thousands of mature trees, hundreds of thousands of animals, thousands of homes and hundreds of human lives, and millions of tons of polluting carbon into the atmosphere. The same applies to that other famous seasonal Bush Fire country, Australia.

Keep voting for the democrat communists California and you are getting everything you deserve. No sympathy whatsoever. Reap what you sow.

When is someone in the California government going to bring up clear cutting fire breaks? Since they seem partial to letting prisoners out, why not give them a state job at minimum wage upon release clearing out the underbrush? That'd be a heck of a lot cheaper than the mess they've got now and have had.

Good thing the California grandees banned smoking and vaping to protect the citizens’ health.

i have a ? why are there no fires in canada answer no crazy dem arsonist this is all planed dems will destroy america to win power

Ah yes, breathe deep and truly experience the Democrat LIEberal new landscape. Quite an accomplishment for the Democrats.

What Dan Crenshaw said, "See what happens when you put democrats in charge of energy policy" We have controlled burns in NC, too.

Last year our high school friends sold their home in Meadow Lakes, CA, just east of Auberry and moved down the mountain to Clovis where we all grew up. Their former home and property was completely destroyed along with the rest of Meadow Lakes. They’re selling their home in Clovis and escaping to Idaho. Don’t worry Idaho, they’re conservatives. We witnessed controlled burns our whole lives growing up in California in the late fifties through the seventies. The end of controlled burning was the beginning of the huge fires. We left for good in ‘94. Marxism is evil and can only destroy.

Can't you just picture a bunch of democrats standing around with puzzled looks on their faces? What happened? What caused this? It's not our fault. Impeach Donald Trump!

Oddly enough, the state of Michigan is full of beautiful forests. We very rarely have forest fires that get out of control. Logging goes on constantly and has for a century and a half. Most of our land is accessible by motorized vehicles as a result of the logging ( and oil/gas) roads which allow access to fire fighting equipment. Only rarely do we utilize fire planes. lt's not exactly magic. Just requires a conservative government at least once in a while. You cannot trust ANYTHING to leftists for very long......

What the dims forget is that they need the conservatives to pay for their folly. Sure there are some very rich dims - but for the most part - the bulk of the taxes come from the conservatives. What happens to Calif if the conservatives abandon the state? They will quickly run out of other people's money and have to support it with their money. Won't happen. Dims like tax deductions too. One other quick point - communism is capitalism repackaged. The perfect communist state would be equal sharing among the many at the point of a gun. But who holds the gun? The communist capitalists - who have confiscated the wealth of the many for their own benefit. In the end - it is all about the money. Capitalism actually is much more fair than communism. Communism indiscriminately steals from every one. Capitalism allows freedom and the resouraces are allocated to those who provide the most value to society - this is called supply and demand. In communism, they got the demand down pat - but they don't know how to create supply. This is why communism fails. It is all about the unjust mistreating the just.

Year after year the Environmentalists insist that letting all the dead brush, branches and trees accumulate is natures way, don't touch it. The Conservationists have been telling them that all of that dry dead stuff burns faster and at higher temperatures. If the dead stuff is remove before it gets too deep by controlled burns, the trees get scorched, but survive. If dead stuff is allowed to get too deep, it burns longer at higher temperatures which kills the trees. The reason for the massive fires in California is not caused by "global warming." It is the result of gross neglect of proper forest management.

I was in San Diego, September 1970, during the Laguna, Kitchen Creek fires. Orange brown sky with ashes falling like snow. Power lines were the suspected cause then. Mother Earth is angry! Really, Nancy? She's been angry for a long time.

“Keep voting for Democrats”. The Democrats represent 46% of the voter registrations right now. Not even a simple majority. But it is considerably more than the 24.6% Republicans. There is a similar number of No Party Preference voter registrations. Not Independents with a capital I, but Unknowns. We 5,018,332 registered Republican voters would love to know how you’d work it out… We don’t vote for Democrats, yet get hit with the same thoughtless brushstroke.

Correction: California Republican registrations = 24%.

They will probably keep voting for the same policies and the same crooks that destroyed their livelihoods. I just cannot feel sorry for any of them.

California voter registration data: https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/ror/123day-gen-2020/historical-reg-stats.pdf

The 'warming' comes from the hotheads who run California. The golden state has been destroyed by the democrats there.

Anyone that thinks islam is not involved with this are not paying attention.

All they would need to do is approve selective logging areas to cut down narrow swaths of forest, harvest the trees for lumber and thus create fire breaks. And adopt proven forestry management practices by starting underbrush fires during periodic California rainy seasons. The logging would create thousands of jobs and reduce dependence on Canadian lumber and plywood. New growth would flourish. Interesting observation from the article that this would likewise increase rainwater percolation to replenish the aquifers. To a previous poster's point, a personal friend in Michigan contracts with the state for his tree-cutting crews to remove tree growth that creeps onto the highway shoulders there. He also has contracts with power companies to remove the trees growing under the big power lines, to limit fires and interference with the lines. This isn't rocket science, but it is proven science.

When you elect democrats who are in bed with environmentalists and their ignorant policies, this is the results you get. Elections have consequences, writ supersized. This is not on the climate, this is on democrats and their willful mismanagement and diversion of Federal forestry funds. I say that about Oregon and Washington as well. Preventing loggers and companies from cleaning up the fuel that makes these fires burn so hot and for so long is why we have them, not climate. #4, I think that is what they used to do in all three coast states, using minimum security, low risk prisoners, going out to help cut those, and clear out the debris. But the cost of the guards to supervise is something the Leftists refused to pay anymore. Again, failed democrat policies. Disclosure: I live in Oregon, and have all my life. So I have had 6 decades of watching democrats in action. I saw what used to work, and what does not. We are now in the 'what does not' phase and have been since the 80's.

A big part of the problem is one PARTY rule. They can do or not do whatever they like. Some of them must know that these policies are not working, but they're too busy coming up with inane laws so they'll have something - anything - with their name on it. A constitutional amendment is necessary to correct any such law and the PARTY does everything to fight that. Prop 6 to repeal the onerous, additional gas tax was a prime example. There have been recall petitions for the incompetent governor, but the PARTY controls the machinery and wasn't even sending the collected petitions to the capital. The politicians feed the unions and vice versa, so forget reason, logic, fair play or any concern for the average citizen.

My wife and I will join the exodus. We're getting ready to put our house on the market. Hopefully, someone choosing to remain behind will have the resources to buy the home in which we raised our son. Sad realization that our native golden state has deteriorated to a point of no return.

#1, disagree. Californians DO deserve their government. They chose it, year after year. They voted for the absurd social, energy and environmental policies that directly created the misery they now inhabit. Worse, they try mightily to foist their absurd policies on the rest of us. They coddle the Follywood elite who hector us, they foster the illegal alien immigrants who undercut the wages of tax paying citizens. The fires of Hell are now upon them? Karma’s a bad distaff dog.

I really want to know what infects a persons brain to vote for reprobate politicians like California Governor Gavin Newsom. In the midst of the state burning down from over 12 wild fires this idiot has the unmitigated gall to say the reason for the fires is Global Warming. This numbskull is the problem because he and his mentor Jerry "Moombeam" Brown allowed the Sierra Club to dictate the forestry policies related to undergrowth mitigation in the forests. No control burns and little or no vegetation removal. RECALL GAVIN NEWSOM!

How soon will the state of California have a fire sale?

The California Republican representatives regularly raise the point that when cattle and other livestock grazed the hillsides, the forests were logged and the the brush routinely cleared manually, or via controlled burns the fires were much less serious. The forest back roads were passable even to a passenger car. Wise environmentalists stopped all that to save nature or something. The fire trails/logging roads were cabled off and allowed to wash out, become brush choked and blocked by landslides and fallen trees while the forests and wildlands became piles of fuel. Why aren't the idiots voted out? The Los Angles coast and the Bay area are usually air conditioned by sea breezes and the smoke is trapped in the central valley where all the deplorables live. So the wealthy liberal lotus eaters have a couple more tokes and mumble "what bad air" and vote democrat. And say things like "too bad those people lost their homes but they should move here and give the forests back to mother nature" and "its not my demigod Gavin Newsome's fault, its climate change caused by those evil Republicans". And "just because the democrats stopped the building of roads, reservoirs and and power plants and invited 13 million undocumented guest in from Mexico. its not the democrats fault we have traffic jams, water shortages and rolling black outs its you evil deplorables who just don't conserve properly". And their loyal legions of ballot fillers just keep working until the proper outcome is reached. Around Los Angeles and the Bay Area amazing numbers of people vote. Simply unbelievable numbers. But they count.

We did not vote for this. Radical environmental policies were forced upon us by malicious lawsuits, upheld by the Ninth Circus. Californians voted not to allow illegals welfare. The commies took the citizens to court and a judge stole our vote and forced the care of illegals upon the legal. Californians voted against homosexual "marriage" and once again the commies took the citizens to court and gave the win to the losers. When the commies wanted a "jungle primary" the Republican leader of the state senate (Abel Maldonado, spit) gave it to them in exchange for the passage of one year's budget. The last two elections for U.S. Senate offered only two Dim candidates. Even the alternative parties are shut out of the "primary top two" on the general election ballot. Orange County fell in 2018 due to the now legal practice of ballot harvesting. The CA RINO party is too pure to do the same and too cowardly to take the commies to court. California is a victim of the Uniparty. Conservatives can launch successful ballot propositions, forced to get three times the necessary signatures because the Secretary of State has a much higher rate of disqualifying signatures for us than for Commie initiatives. Then once on the ballot, the same Secretary of State writes the title and the summary. We're trying to recall Gruesome Nuisance, but the state keeps invalidating our signatures. Where is the CA Republican Party? Shaking in their boots because every last one of them is a Never Trumper. California is a victim of the Uniparty. We've been hearing a lot from the square states in the middle about standing your ground and defending your property. Yet, Californians fleeing from those responsibilities are considered the smart ones and encouraged to leave, as long as they don't settle in your area bringing along with them their commie cooties. The entire nation has the commie infection and the legacy Democrat states are in the ICU on life support! How is it possible to be the United States of America without California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Massachusetts or New York? The Golden State is my birthright. I am staying to fight for her. California citizens have the right to be full United States citizens. Right here. In our own state! In 2012, when we were facing Obama's second term, did we Americans abandon our country? We had no idea Donald Trump was discerning his destiny, yet we stayed to fight for America. I urge my fellow and sister Californians thinking of leaving to thoughtfully reconsider. Stay with me and fight for our heritage. We will be rescued during President Trump's second term. MAGA: Its for all 50 states or it ain't worth a damn.

Ya but now adults can have sex with kids, Democrats are beyond sick. I grew up in California, it used to be a leader in the good sense but I have been watching while millions moved here from "back east" for over 50 years. Maybe now they will move back to the pit they came from.

Brava, #29!!!!!!! (She’s a true patriot who fought and campaigned her heart out for Donald J. Trump in 2016!!!) This native Californian and her native Californian family and their kids are going nowhere. This is our home. I drove across the entire country when I was only 18, straight across all those flat square states. Days and days of cornfields. They need their cornfields! We need our miles and miles of beautiful ocean and beaches, our magnificent mountains, our fascinating deserts, and our valleys full of gorgeously abundant fruits and vegetables, not to mention dear Rep. Nunes and his splendid dairy cows. And did I mention four seasons of beautiful weather and gorgeous seasonal flowers? Leave all this? Beyond price. Not a chance. Born here. Will stay here. Politics can be fixed. It appears that the grifter class is moving out. That is an absolutely swell idea.

# 24 all conservatives are welcome here in Georgia. We have a beautiful state with low taxes, the first $65,000 of your retirement income is exempt from state income tax, and what's left is taxed at a low rate. I live near the Tennessee line but can reach the beach in 5 hours and the mountains in thirty minutes, gasoline prices are low as are the utilities. I have lived here all my life so I guess I am a little biased but it's a good place to retire.

I love you, Timber Queen! Yes, one million times, YES. Born and raised So.Cal and not leaving. The rest of you who live in alleged Nirvana, no natural disasters (?), please. Ha ha, at least we have great weather and high property values. Just shut up. We’re staying put for ourselves and our son. We fight on. With or without you. Pathetic that conservatives in CA have been abandoned by our brethren in other states.

Thank you, #33! Yes, we hear unity, but don’t experience it here. I remember when so many California LDotters manned this forum around the clock for several days to provide contact points for those who had been hit by Hurricane Katrina. Now we get jabs that the fires have to do with karma (we have a half dozen good Christian friends on evacuation warnings right now - they should not be having karma problems). Years and years of supposedly "good Christian Conservatives" hoping California has an earthquake that causes it to fall in the ocean. I can’t imagine having thoughts like that when there is hardly an area in the country that is exempt from some kind of natural disaster. Why would I wish it on them? Why would I wish them ill just because of the state where they happen to live, perhaps were born and raised? Some of what is posted here makes no sense to me. I still remember the woman who posted from Texas: “I’ve never been to California, but I know I wouldn’t like it…” /s/A Happy Native Californian