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A tale of two states in decline

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Posted By: MissMolly, 12/29/2019 4:46:56 AM

Taxpayers in California and New York shoulder some of the heaviest tax burdens in the nation, and now new data show the two have something else in common: Their growth rates have slowed. It’s probably no coincidence. According to the California Department of Finance, during the year that ended June 30, more people left the Golden State than moved in — the first time that’s happened since 2010. Its net population grew by 141,300, to 39.96 million. That’s a increase of just 0.35 percent, down from 0.57 percent growth over the prior 12 months. Together, the two years mark California’s smallest growth in more than a century.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Strike3 12/29/2019 5:47:20 AM (No. 273494)
Fewer democrats. That can only be a good thing unless you live in the state into which the expats moved.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: F15 Gork 12/29/2019 6:11:48 AM (No. 273508)
Well, at least the bum population in CA is on the rise - just watch where you step.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: TexasRose 12/29/2019 7:35:48 AM (No. 273553)
Does this count illegals? Because I read that blue states are gaining representatives based on illegal immigration!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/29/2019 8:02:46 AM (No. 273568)
I'm surprised that Illinois isn't at the top of the list. Having spent my childhood years in Lake County, family back there tells me that the county is losing significant population due to high tax burden and over-regulation. And the state is drowning in huge debt it will never get out of courtesy of the Chicago dim/mafia machine.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/29/2019 8:02:52 AM (No. 273569)
It seems that Progressives have the magic touch for making things progressively ... worse. They should be called "Regressives."
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Reply 6 - Posted by: CountryDoc 12/29/2019 8:26:07 AM (No. 273583)
Dodge Boy, Illinois still has a fairly large portion of industrious population to offset the Chicago thugs. New York and California have a money sucking city burden that is past the tipping point of economic viability. Would be interesting to graph this concept out and show the other states not far behind: I'm sure some economist has devised that formulation
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Old Army Vet 12/29/2019 8:36:23 AM (No. 273594)
Nothing surprising here. The democRATS seem to want to run everything down to the socialist level. How unfortunate for us that they are put in charge of anything larger than a trash can.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: pacman333 12/29/2019 8:42:09 AM (No. 273597)
And another problem not stated: Those exiting the states are exiting with their wealth in hand. Those newbies entering the state. Probably not so much wealth in hand.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bluefindad 12/29/2019 8:45:48 AM (No. 273600)
Born and raised in California - 3rd generation. After more than six decades, we finally left this year.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: bpl40 12/29/2019 8:52:59 AM (No. 273604)
It seems PDT is putting up the wall in the wrong place!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: BillW. 12/29/2019 8:56:01 AM (No. 273607)
Americans are fleeing both states' rampaging Latino gangs, deliberate homelessness, anti-semitism, criminal negro mobs -- and Democrats who could care less. Vets for Trump 2020
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Reply 12 - Posted by: guybee 12/29/2019 9:33:18 AM (No. 273638)
Many who are leaving are Dims who can't stand what they have created. So they are moving to places like Texas and Colorado so they can ruin those places the same way. Note where the Dims congregate - in big cities. They like convenience and luxuary. Not into work or sacrifice. Yet they want a communist state. Makes no sense.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: TJ54 12/29/2019 9:36:19 AM (No. 273642)
Exorbitant real estate taxes are driving out even the affluent in Crook (Cook) County, Illinois. Illinois has lost over 300,000 taxpayers over the past 10 years, and real estate taxes are a huge part of the reason for leaving. In some towns, taxpayers are shelling out $25,000-$30,000 in real estate taxes annually. Moving to states like Indiana, reduces their real estate tax bill to $5,000 or less, and the home is usually much larger and nicer. With a greedy, tub-o-lard and real estate tax crook, Pritzker, as Governor, and socialist Lori the Lightfoot Lesbian, as mayor of ChitCago, the exodus is accelerating. By, by, Illinois
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Reply 14 - Posted by: bigfatslob 12/29/2019 10:04:49 AM (No. 273671)
I'm seeing more of those white license plates with California written on them in our little southwest community and they are not here on vacation. I can only hope it's conservatives that are moving and not the liberals who ruined the places they left.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Shells 12/29/2019 10:13:00 AM (No. 273683)
The exact same thing is happening in CT but in a possibly more dramatic way because the state is so much smaller. A relatively few extremely wealthy individuals living in just about five cities support the entire state, and they are the ones leaving. Mostly hedge fund guys who can work anywhere so the pols should have seen it coming but they’re idiots. As are the people that vote for them. CT is done. Finished. Stick a fork in it. But hey, it’s a sanctuary state!
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 12/29/2019 10:14:26 AM (No. 273685)
Between crap on the sidewalks and violent criminals on the sidewalks, tourism to both New York and California will be dead in 10 years.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/29/2019 10:26:24 AM (No. 273702)
Avoid at all costs doing business in Ca. and NY. The taxes and paperwork are not worth it. All the blue states are the same way. If you are in business, keep the joy in your life, and avoid blue states.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Nimby 12/29/2019 10:44:18 AM (No. 273722)
Keep at it Libs! Turn everything to Shite
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Reply 19 - Posted by: jfodoch 12/29/2019 10:46:27 AM (No. 273724)
It makes sense to THEM, #12, and that's what is so scary !!
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Strike3 12/29/2019 11:47:07 AM (No. 273779)
Agree, Illinois should be in the top three. They have been working on building their democrat debt since I spend one miserable year in Chicago in 1979. Their big crash is coming soon. #3, that question can not be answered because those states do not allow anybody to ask illegals if they are illegal. They get to move around "undocumented."
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Reply 21 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 12/29/2019 12:09:46 PM (No. 273800)
New York used to have over 40 Congressional districts. Today it has less than 30, and is losing another. That tells you all you need to know about New York. This has gone on for decades. New York's decline has gone on for decades. Its part of the rust belt. The large cities might do well economically, but the rest of the state will never see an economic boom. Blame government mismanagement and corruption. Both parties. Not sure New York really has a viable Republican party anymore. While I still have my residence in New York, but I spend much of my time in Florida. I see many people that have made the jump. Don't know if I ever will myself. I noticed that California actually lost a Congressional district. Is that a first for them? Will it be a new trend?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: earlybird 12/29/2019 12:52:38 PM (No. 273832)
It may come as a jolt to some, but we all don’t live in San Francisco or Los Angeles, and California is a big, rich, beautiful place to live. I have lived here all my life, with the exception of one year, and have traveled and spent time in most of the continental United States except Alaska. There is no other place where I would want to live. We have had administrations come and go (California was for many decades a Republican state), and we have watched the pendulum swing. Most of us believe a rightward swing is now overdue and imminent. In the meantime we enjoy what we have, realize that if we lived elsewhere we would have to spend those tax dollars on heating and dealing with the extreme weather there, and traveling on vacation to nicer places than where we live. We would not have the excellent doctors and medical facilities available that we have here. Our streets are clean. No one is sleeping on them. That is going on in limited areas where they have been welcomed. It is not going on all over the state. We don’t care if people are leaving. Those we have known - a pretty wide circle of extended family and friends of all degrees - are not fleeing California, but staying put. The ones who are leaving are willing to give up the pleasures of living here for tax relief elsewhere. That is their choice. We make ours. So the NYP can poke away. Makes no difference. We really love it here for many, many reasons that we realize do not matter to others. That is what personal choice is all about.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Folsomguy 12/29/2019 4:20:07 PM (No. 273934)
Until California recognizes it's problems nothing will change. Big article in the S.F. paper today about how juvenile crime is down. What has really happened is that they have simply stopped arresting them and then say look how far down the arrests have come. it's no wonder what's happening. I must say though, that living far away from the coast, the bad impact (with the exception of taxes) is greatly reduced.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: RedWhite&Blue2 12/29/2019 5:22:17 PM (No. 273977)
They came over here to Nevada and turned it blue...and driving up home prices. Reno Vegas The imports now outnumber the Nevada-born population..more came here than born here! F’in lefties! The regressives ruin everything!
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Reply 25 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 12/29/2019 8:11:31 PM (No. 274041)
While I was visiting California for Christmas, I was surprised at the $40 bill, tip not included, for breakfast for two at IHOP. I quickly figured out that the reason was the high minimum wage in California. I googled it, and sure enough, it is $12/hour. Libs kill everything they touch. California legislature is working on killing the restaurant business.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: msjena 12/30/2019 12:24:49 AM (No. 274118)
#22, yes California is nice and if I had roots there, I might want to live there,too. But taxes are high and so are real estate prices. Illinois has a low state income tax (for now) and no state income tax on retirement income of any kind. Having nice weather year round is not enough incentive for me to pay more in taxes, especially with the new federal limits on deductions.
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