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Posted By: MissMolly, 12/28/2019 5:01:59 AM

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: mobyclik 12/28/2019 5:57:18 AM (No. 272828)
FTA: ''If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.” I'm shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you, that no one has come up with this brilliant idea before! Unicorns, butterflies, peace and love everywhere. We can call it Utopia! And I'm going to go into the Wall Building and Private Security business out there in LooneyLand. Pure INSANITY.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: BillW. 12/28/2019 6:03:22 AM (No. 272829)
peace circles and restorative justice programs? And who better to head them up than Zippy O and The Mooch? --Vets for Trump 2020
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Reply 3 - Posted by: blueline 12/28/2019 6:29:02 AM (No. 272837)
When stupid people vote...
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Paperpuncher 12/28/2019 6:30:19 AM (No. 272838)
Return to Mad Max. That will be the day I convert to open carry rather than concealed carry.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: F15 Gork 12/28/2019 6:55:15 AM (No. 272849)
I give you Chicago. The black & and brown people there are doing a swell job policing themselves....
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Reply 6 - Posted by: anniebc 12/28/2019 7:10:14 AM (No. 272859)
What will you get if these clowns are successful at doing away with current policing? An oppressive, violent, racist, leftist gestapo. Snowflakes are brats and with a little power they can and will become the most brutal animals the world has ever seen. Still dumb, but brutal.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: udanja99 12/28/2019 8:05:10 AM (No. 272910)
Affordable housing and investing in the community has eliminated poverty? Why didn’t anyone tell me about this?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/28/2019 8:06:09 AM (No. 272912)
Next we can eliminate lawlessness and crime by eliminate all the laws. If there are no laws, then there is nothing for people to break. And, there would no need for police if there are laws to enforce. Some how I don't believe this will result in utopia.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Newtsche 12/28/2019 8:15:41 AM (No. 272921)
They're on to something with the circles.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: walcb 12/28/2019 8:21:40 AM (No. 272926)
This concept is so absurd it does not merit conversation. Even the leader of the movement admitted that the police were the only organization to turn to in the case of a murder.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: bamapreacher 12/28/2019 8:34:15 AM (No. 272940)
Insanity. The last time there were no police in a city, before police forces were established, there were vigilantes. Police for the most part act under the rules and guidelines set for them by officials, vigilantes have no rules and guidelines but their own.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 12/28/2019 8:49:56 AM (No. 272957)
As long as there are a-holes, thieves, thugs, murderers, and monsters, we will need police. It is the ugly side of human nature. The people calling for the abolition of the police are either hopelessly naïve or dishonest. Do you want these people in charge of anything?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ROLFNader 12/28/2019 8:55:55 AM (No. 272967)
So, could rural crime be eliminated if farmers created more crop circles?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: franq 12/28/2019 8:57:54 AM (No. 272969)
Just give every adult 10 million dollars. Then crime will vanish.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Congar 12/28/2019 9:36:27 AM (No. 273002)
Another clever leftist idea hits the news stands. These people are beyond laughable.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: MissileMan742 12/28/2019 9:43:42 AM (No. 273010)
Ah, yes. Back to the days when "Due Process" was called "a bullet".
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/28/2019 9:47:01 AM (No. 273013)
The intelligencia of the left IS scrapping the bottom of the barrel now, aren't they. Just who are these so-called "advocates and activists". Most likely, they are products of America's indoctrination centers.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: red1066 12/28/2019 9:53:14 AM (No. 273016)
Baltimore, a city of 600 thousand has at this point in time 340 murders for the year. New York City, a city with 14 times more people than Baltimore has had 310 murders to this point in the year. Baltimore and the thugs that run the city, have effectively made the Baltimore police officers the enemy of the people. The city's state attorney is an Obozo follower willing to prosecute any officer for simply doing their job. The police in Baltimore are constantly under investigation for corruption. Meanwhile, the gangs run amuck shooting and killing at will with the people running for Mayor,(all democrats) continuing the same narrative that results in 340 murders, and about a thousand additional people shot every year.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Strike3 12/28/2019 9:53:20 AM (No. 273017)
They should be careful what they wish for. We would revert to Frontier Justice and have the streets cleaned up in a matter of weeks. Then we would take care of the stupid politicians who create places like Seattle, Baltimore, New York, Detroit, Newark, Los Angeles and Chicago.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: kono 12/28/2019 10:10:50 AM (No. 273031)
''If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Since affordable housing and "investing in community" do not eliminate poverty, then her statement is absolutely true. Inferential logic states that "if (false condition) then X" is true for every X. Lots of political BS falls into this category. Like "if guns cause murder then gun ownership should be outlawed" is absolutely true, simply because guns are not the cause of murder. If Russian interference stole the 2016 election from Hillary, then Trump should be impeached. If it does not fit you must acquit. If CO2 emissions cause global warming, then we should place strict limits on the burning of petroleum. . . None of those conditions is true, so every one of those statements is logically sound.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: curious1 12/28/2019 10:12:18 AM (No. 273034)
#19, yes, without the hired thugs they call police and the purchased local judges in the blue areas the sensible citizens (non-commies) would settle the problems pretty rapidly. Then wonder why they hadn't done it sooner. How would the commies in control of the blue areas enforce their will without their police department? Gangs? Their version of Brownshirts? Antifa? One wonders. Pass the popcorn, if it comes about.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: marbles 12/28/2019 10:36:52 AM (No. 273055)
Who will be in charge of changing human nature? Technology is ever changing, human nature is a constant.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: qr4j 12/28/2019 10:59:12 AM (No. 273077)
No police, eh? What ya going to do when a murderer is on the loose? Form a peace circle? All thieving done by poor folk? Hardly. Complete and utter bull. Say “no police” to the young woman who’s just been raped!
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Reply 24 - Posted by: MDConservative 12/28/2019 11:42:34 AM (No. 273108)
Chicago...New York...Boston...Do it...just do it.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: columba 12/28/2019 11:45:05 AM (No. 273112)
Many Liberals believe that we are making "progress" (with no goal) to a friendly world where we will all co-exist. The truth is that we all have free will and a good number of people have chosen lies, greed, revenge, adultery and other negative ways of thinking and behaving. The police are there to protect us from those who have chosen the wrong path - and color of skin is not the issue.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Chuzzles 12/28/2019 12:12:31 PM (No. 273141)
Unfortunately their idea of reform still boils down to no responsibility for their own behavior. IOW, a free pass. We can see how well that is working out, can't we? Plus when your community makes the cops fear for their own safety, the community needs to bear responsibility for that feeling as well. A lot of the problems are feeding off of each side, and BOTH sides need to stop and take a breath. Most of this is also on the heads of these so-called activists. They do nothing but stir up bad feelings for their own sense of power too. We saw that during the reign of error named Obama. He did a lot to feed the problems did he not? No more social welfare, make the able bodied get a job and start putting some skin into the game. They have no personal investment in the housing, the community, and so on. So of course they aren't going to feel the same sense of pride of place that homeowners and renters actually feel. I also think that if the legal system would start cracking down on the slum lords like ValJar and a whole host of rich democrats things might start changing too. Make the slum lords live for 6 months in their own properties, freeze their funds to the same amount as their tenants have, and we might see some changes.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: legalart 12/28/2019 12:18:11 PM (No. 273144)
This anti-cop chant has been growing louder, much like the climate change hoax. And it should be seriously incorporated by the communities that advocate it. After all, they've never had to live with the results of their proposal, have they? You see, people who don't want police around shouldn't have them. It's only fair. Blue cities and towns that hate cops should be bereft of cops, including places like Chicago and Seattle. Plus, all university campuses without exception; let them hire their own security with their own money, and not the local taxpayers. Just like Venezuelans voted themselves socialism for over 15 years, the proponents of law enforcement abolition should be given their wish, in their own enclaves. Police are increasingly forced to withstand abuse from the fringe, and..... well, that's not fair! I vote to allow these anti-cop places to rid themselves of all police, while we pay less taxes for their upkeep, and relax as we watch the consequences.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Lawsy0 12/28/2019 12:34:54 PM (No. 273156)
Can EBT cards be used to purchase ammo?
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Reply 29 - Posted by: bigfatslob 12/28/2019 12:36:29 PM (No. 273160)
This is right in there with Dianne Feinstein's ridiculous statement that removing all firearms the crooks would turn in theirs because they won't need them. What moron would think evil will go away with better living conditions and peace circles. Maybe put that Kaepernick feller in charge of the peace squads and give out free Nike shoes that's the ticket. Who dreams this silliness up?
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Impacted Wisdom Truth 12/28/2019 12:58:18 PM (No. 273173)
As Glenn Reynolds is wont to say, The police exist to protect criminals from us not us from the criminals. If they were no police, it goes right back to vigilante justice. The whole point of police is for law-enforcement to have an orderly process. Without police, there will be no orderly process – it will simply be street justice. And the criminals are going to come out on the short end of that.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: cold porridge 12/28/2019 1:48:58 PM (No. 273196)
Their real goal is to destroy America. This is just another step toward that goal.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: web 12/28/2019 3:14:39 PM (No. 273242)
I think if we all just sit around in circles, smoking pot and beating on drums, thinking World Peace, then the police will no longer be necessary. What's that? It's already been tried before? Actually, what we need is more gun control. More armed and sane citizens training with their firearms for self-defense. We already have insanity running loose in the streets. Get rid of the police and we will have unrestrained chaos and anarchy.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: JediJerry 12/28/2019 3:17:06 PM (No. 273244)
Oh yes abolish the police, the courts, demolish prisons and jails and let people be free to do whatever it is they want. Sounds good to me.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: glcinpdx 12/28/2019 3:56:44 PM (No. 273261)
Hey, let's get rid of the police and just bring in UN Peacekeeping forces...we know how well that works...yeah, that's the ticket... /s
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Reply 35 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 12/28/2019 4:05:50 PM (No. 273270)
Chicago and Seattle need a prolonged case of Blue Flu to see the stupidity of such a statement.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: cartcart 12/28/2019 6:03:02 PM (No. 273320)
Inner city dwellers have an inborn instinct for personal self-control. They never commit crimes and they never will--holding themselves in strict compliance with the laws and rules of self-conduct. That is why they do not want the police around.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: wsdiego 12/28/2019 6:52:43 PM (No. 273336)
Start in Pelosi's district!
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Reply 38 - Posted by: hisself 12/28/2019 7:41:13 PM (No. 273353)
What could possibly go wrong???
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Reply 39 - Posted by: CEP 12/28/2019 8:15:30 PM (No. 273368)
So they want "The Purge" 24/7 365 days of the year.
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Reply 40 - Posted by: jacksin5 12/29/2019 11:51:00 AM (No. 273784)
Kurt Russell, contact your agent. I foresee more sequels to your "Escape from New York" movie. The South Side of Chicago is already a neighborhood only Snake Bliskin could survive in.
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A tale of two states in decline 26 replies
Posted by MissMolly 12/29/2019 4:46:56 AM Post Reply
Taxpayers in California and New York shoulder some of the heaviest tax burdens in the nation, and now new data show the two have something else in common: Their growth rates have slowed. It’s probably no coincidence. According to the California Department of Finance, during the year that ended June 30, more people left the Golden State than moved in — the first time that’s happened since 2010. Its net population grew by 141,300, to 39.96 million. That’s a increase of just 0.35 percent, down from 0.57 percent growth over the prior 12 months. Together, the two years mark California’s smallest growth in more than a century.
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