Army helicopter was warned about American
Airlines plane twice — with final alert
coming just seconds before DC crash
New York Post,
by
Melanie Marich
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
2/2/2025 4:14:13 AM
The Black Hawk helicopter that crashed into an American Airlines plane was alerted to the plane’s presence by air control twice, the first time at least two minutes before the deadly crash, according to a Washington Post report.
Aviation experts reviewed Wednesday night’s radio transmissions, obtained by The Washington Post, and said that a soldier on the Black Hawk requested “visual separation” so that the helicopter crew could maintain a safe distance from the plane, which it could see. Both times, the request was approved by air traffic control.
At 8:48 p.m., about 12 seconds after the second air traffic control tower alert, the helicopter and passenger plane collided.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
EJKrausJr 2/2/2025 6:04:12 AM (No. 1887255)
Both the FAA ATC in the tower and the Black Hawk pilot screwed up. Both are to blame. Whether DEI infected them both will be determined in due time.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
5 handicap 2/2/2025 6:38:28 AM (No. 1887260)
DEI Strikes again! A little more deadly this time...Boeing was glad it wasn't them this time!
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A more descriptive warning would have been needed than "Do you see the plane?"
Something like "get down to your required altitude immediately" or "crash is imminent, turn right and dive down".
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
privateer 2/2/2025 7:40:46 AM (No. 1887296)
But to give such a urgently necessary instruction, one would have to understand how aviation and ATC work. So how come that didn't happen? There is only one person left alive who can explain that.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
anniebc 2/2/2025 7:43:44 AM (No. 1887298)
I thought there were two planes, one that was seen by the BH and another unseen/unknown. The confusion seemed to be when they went to visual with communication from the ATC about only one plane.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Venturer 2/2/2025 8:02:47 AM (No. 1887321)
We knew this long before the WAPO reported it.
All of us who have been following this heard those words,
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Alecto2 2/2/2025 8:11:25 AM (No. 1887332)
Was this Black Hawk one that could be remotely controlled?
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/black-hawk-helicopter-matrix-autonomy/
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Strike3 2/2/2025 8:23:20 AM (No. 1887343)
A joke about women drivers would be totally inappropriate at this time but one has to wonder. A helicopter is more difficult to fly than any aircraft except maybe the SR-71 so only the best and most skilled should be trusted in that role. With the hundreds of military bases scattered throughout the wilderness of this great country, is it wise to conduct military training in one of the nation's busiest commercial air spaces? Using it as VIP transport to Washington is even more questionable.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
TCloud 2/2/2025 9:47:28 AM (No. 1887427)
It was like Fort Belvior or Bust the way that chopper entered the left of the screen and made impact with the jet. Captured on the earthcam website!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
rytwng 2/2/2025 9:56:07 AM (No. 1887433)
The helicopter was on straight line headed for the airplane. Was it on purpose?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 2/2/2025 10:15:29 AM (No. 1887451)
Air Control warned the helicopter pilot - - but unfortunately that pilot didn't speak English.
Simple solution - - all aircraft should have a translator on board. No more crashes.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Tusker 2/2/2025 10:16:01 AM (No. 1887453)
A video aired showed the chopper below, at altitude, then abruptly gaining altitude describing now an angle directly into the AA plane.
Explain that.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
RobertJ984 2/2/2025 11:24:45 AM (No. 1887520)
"Allahu Akbar”
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bighambone 2/2/2025 11:43:17 AM (No. 1887540)
Well common sense will tell you that if the American Airlines commercial aircraft was flying at about 325 feet from the ground as the NTSB investigator told the nation last evening, with the Army helicopter flying at or within the helicopter’s authorized 200 foot ceiling from the ground as they passed each other, the American Airlines aircraft in the established glide zone to the runway threshold at Reagan National Airport, and with the Army helicopter following the helicopter route along the Potomac River that they would not have collided and crashed? So chances are the Army helicopter, for some unexplained reason, was flying about 100 feet above its authorized ceiling of 200 feet resulting in the air to air collusion that occurred.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 2/2/2025 11:49:18 AM (No. 1887543)
The pilot of the helo suddenly went way too high, from 200 feet to at least 350 ft, according to the radar data.
And the error/lying started yesterday as the NTSB guy said that the "radar tab" (alphanumeric tag alongside the aircraft symbol on the radar screen) showed that the airliner was at 200 ft just before the crash. This is false. I have seen the radar screen data and the tab showed "0004" in the altitude position, indicating 400 ft. He either made a mistake, although he went through a long winded story about it, or he flat out lied.
Are they now starting to push the blame onto the CRJ airliner for being too low? This 'everyone made just a little mistake' kind of crap is typical of leftists. The data shows that the airliner was where it was supposed to be and the helo was way above the maximum permissible altitude on that helo route. I still say this is all on the helo pilots. They repeatedly reported that they saw the CRJ and would 'provide visual separation', meaning the same thing as when you are driving your car, you see another car and won't run into it.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Sunhan65 2/2/2025 12:14:03 PM (No. 1887565)
My understanding is that women are safer drivers overall. Whether that translates into great ability to fly helicopters safely isn't clear. My guess is it probably doesn't.
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#11 I'm not sure where this information came from. She is white girl who was in ROTC and worked at the white house. Hopefully, we will hear the black box conversation soon!
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