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Tom Nichols: Never Trump really meant
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Posted By: Dreadnought, 11/30/2022 12:33:13 AM

Tom Nichols has a piece at the Atlantic today explaining why Never Trump didn’t really mean he’d never vote for Trump, it actually meant he’d never vote for Trumpism and that now includes all of the Republican Party. In one of the most appalling appropriations of a political banner in years—or at least since Trump decided in 2012, after years of changing party registrations, finally to settle on calling himself a Republican—some of the conservatives hoping to salvage the GOP’s fortune after the 2022 midterms are trying to seize and redefine the term Never Trump to mean a rejection of “only Trump, and no other Republicans who are like him.”

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Reply 1 - Posted by: sanspeur 11/30/2022 12:44:41 AM (No. 1345361)
i thought this john Sextonguy was an actor from the “Beach Blanket Bingo “ movies of the ‘50’s and wondered why he was into politics .. this scribbler should have been that guy .. a lot less intellectually constipated and far happier a person
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Reply 2 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 11/30/2022 12:44:49 AM (No. 1345362)
To those who despise 45, they despise MAGA. They do so at their own risk. They are Deep Staters. They are the enemies of the working people. They are the Uniparty who feed at the same Govt $$$ trough.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: anniebc 11/30/2022 2:03:29 AM (No. 1345375)
A traitor by any other name is still a traitor, Tom. Explain away, but we don't care what you think.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: judy 11/30/2022 5:39:23 AM (No. 1345450)
Hot Air needs to go out of business....unreadable garbage. Without the word Trump they could not compose a sentence.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Italiano 11/30/2022 6:04:45 AM (No. 1345460)
Tom Nichols is a tool, but he's not alone. You'd be surprised at the so-called "conservative" Never Trumpers who may tsk tsk liberal/leftists from time to time but absolutely trash the present-day prominent conservative voices out there. Or maybe not so surprised.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: F15 Gork 11/30/2022 6:15:53 AM (No. 1345468)
President Trump is not the problem. The GOP’s problem is cowardice and stupidity.....
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Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40 11/30/2022 6:41:05 AM (No. 1345488)
What is Trumpism? A roaring economy, low inflation, plentiful availability of common goods and services, lowest minority unemployment, secure southern border, energy self sufficiency, strong military and peace in the Middle East? Which ones don't you like? Oh the mean tweets!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Californian 11/30/2022 7:02:22 AM (No. 1345504)
Liar claims to be true conservative and support all conservatives -except- for Trump? So he is upset and wetting his bed over mean tweets? No. He's just establishment anti-American garbage pushing the same lie the Never Trumpers have been pushing since Trump walked out the lobby. Go away lying America hating garbage person. Just go away.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: normal user 11/30/2022 7:53:14 AM (No. 1345534)
So many of the comments are attacking Hot Air and John Sexton. Do you folks even read the entire article? He is going after Tom Nichols who is no longer a Republican.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: mean Gene 11/30/2022 7:58:10 AM (No. 1345539)
So, how did we get into the mess we are in? Both dems and repubs have done this to us. The dems stand for world communism, and the repubs stand for global corporate interests. Two sides of the same coin. Trump is a warrior for the liberty and prosperity of the American people. He gets my vote for free. All other candidates must pay me $20,000 cash for my support. Cynism or just reality?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Sully 11/30/2022 8:58:37 AM (No. 1345592)
This is a tedious article presenting nuanced, competing definitions of "Never Trumpism." Bottom line takeaway: Today Never Trump is actually Never MAGA, Never Reagan, Never Conservatism, and Never America First. And never ever ever again electing a Republican party to majority anywhere of consequence in this country. Republicans are to play the role of foil to woke power brokers who are to run our government in perpetuity from now on. Dems are the Harlem Globetrotters who can't lose and repubs are the Washington Generals who make a "game" possible. This is the consequence, intended or not, of Never Trumpism. Congratulations.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Krause 11/30/2022 9:03:24 AM (No. 1345601)
Never Trump and left media is like a car dealer who wants to give you a brand new car, but you don't take it because you don't like his personal style.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ARKfamily 11/30/2022 9:17:05 AM (No. 1345612)
I was not a fan of Donald Trump in 2016 - I had my preferences. With that said, I appreciate everything he has done but some of the people choices he made were head-scratching. I am not a "Never Trumper" but when he started bashing Ron DeSantis, it was beyond head-scratching and more mind boggling. Don't get that part of his personality. I will vote for Donald Trump but I'm having a difficult time convincing myself for a one-term, old-as-Joe-Biden person. My personal observation of government and leaders is we have a lot of "infantile" adults governing us. Government people are paid with our earnings and what do we get out of that? Infantile adults that act like babies and can't lead worth a darn. . .
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Reply 14 - Posted by: MDConservative 11/30/2022 10:32:07 AM (No. 1345684)
What is Trumpism than Reaganism redeux? Remember that three-legged stool of smaller government, low taxes and a strong national defense? Reaganism has been at the heart of the Republican party since 1980, at least. However, the formula, particularly "smaller government", has not been followed. It wasn't followed under Reagan, either. Since 1980 Federal government employment retreated under one President...named Obama. Speaking for myself, I'll support FPDT when he earns that support. Today, he's not there. This recent nonsense with (Kan)Ye and Fuentes is just another example of his political blindness. I know his next term will be even more dramatic than his last. The UNIPARTY has a new stockpile of kitchen sinks to throw his direction. And I wouldn't rule out another "impeachment" even with a GOPe House majority. And where does that leave the nation? The closest parallel is Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, running his Bullmoose Party to defeat Taft, which led to Woodrow Wilson. Not far behind was Ross Perot's run to punish Bush 43 that led to Bill Clinton and to today's highly corrupt Arkansas-style government. The cultists will look upon any disagreement with disdain. And the truth is that they had better have a Plan B because the UNIPARTY will not allow Napoleon back from Elbe this time. One hopes that's not to sit out '24 to teach the nation a lesson with President Newsome. Didn't "real conservatives" do that with Obama?
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Zigrid 11/30/2022 11:16:17 AM (No. 1345732)
I don't find voters..out here in MAGA country...concerned about President Trump...they are eagerly waiting for his return in 2024...he is a took him 2 years of court fights to get his wall built...although not finished because of Obama/biden...but it should explain for doubters as to his ability and tenacity ...and Washington's swamp creatures who are trying to pit desantis against President Trump for political gain should remember that WE stand with our hero..President Trump...he's like General Patton...who won the war in Europe...although Eisenhower and Montgomery got the credit...
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Reply 16 - Posted by: SouthernYankee 11/30/2022 1:24:20 PM (No. 1345828)
Hot Air, Twitchy etc no longer gets clicks from me. They have been anti Trump which tells me they are on the swamps side since 2015. F Sexton, F allaa$4hOle f them all. They are not on our side.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: faceincrowd 11/30/2022 1:39:19 PM (No. 1345835)
Knowing that Demoncrats/Progressives/Liberals/The Woke actively support & provide cover for pedophiles should be enough for anyone with morals to take the opposing side.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Geoman 11/30/2022 1:56:42 PM (No. 1345841)
The actual article doesn't mention Reagan, except in the comments following the article and in above Replies. Equating Trumpism to Reganism is so incredibly false that the very statement cannot be taken at face value, unless all one knew about Reagan and Trump came strictly from the late 20th - early 21st century MSM. Smaller government is not simply a tally of federal office square footage in DC or the federally employed rears-in-seats in DC and throughout the country. Reagan made it a point to roll back the Regulatory State, which he largely controlled as president, reducing its footprint on the lives of normal Americans and on the businesses that employ Americans. Because Reagan knew that getting his agenda-supporting policies in place required using the mostly liberal media of the time to get his conservative message out to the populace, working with his party in Congress to get legislation passed, and co-opting, to the extent feasible, conservative (Blue Dog) democrats, who actually still existed in the late 1970s - early 1980s. Reagan used humor in getting his consistently conservative world-view out, instead of nastiness in dealing with a media that had greater influence on Americans than does the more tarnished media today. By the time Reagan left office, our taxes had been substantially reduced, inflation tamed, and revenue into the treasury was up. More importantly, conservatism was largely embraced by college students of the time and to a lesser extent, by Hollywood. Our military was at its strongest, with ever-increasing war fighting capability, along with an actively re-building Navy capable of projecting our war fighting capability over most of the globe. That did not make Reagan an economic "globalist," as some have suggested. The second "A" in MAGA, standing for making America great "Again," implies a time period when America was great, a time to which a return is desired and envisioned. That time, the "A" in MAGA may well be the political, economic, and societal conditions of the mid-to-late 1980s. I've never heard anything different or more compelling, regarding the When and What of what "Again" is intended to convey. Without a definition, MAGA is essentially political jingoism, like the '70s bumper sticker, "My Country - Love it off leave it," its meaning left to the eye of the beholder, impossible for a nation to know when/if they are "there" yet.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Sully 11/30/2022 2:57:48 PM (No. 1345882)
#18 Ronal Reagan was my 1st vote for President. I didn't learn about him later. Reagan served with a hostile Congress headed by Tip O'Neal and the phrase "Dead On Arrival." Meaning every single policy initiative. Regan got his tax policy, regulation reduction, and military beef, and he gave up fiscal discipline and immigration "compromise" on which both parties simply lied to his face. His press was as hostile as they could muster at that time with Sam Donaldson screaming gotcha question from the WH lawn. But also honest brokers (Liberals) like Tim Russert, which Do Not Exist Today, plus Conservative giants like Buckley and Limbaugh. There were no tech oligarchs broadcasting lies and hoaxes about Reagan via ethernet and unplugging the mic on any response. Outside of a reality based immigration agenda, there is Not One jot of policy difference between Ronald Reagan and Donald J Trump, Not One. They hate Trump for his Policies. For his Policies. Not for his personality, bc he was never hated before and his personality didn't change. And if you'd ask em they'd tell you: they hate Reagan even more. AFTER Reagan came OBAMMA. Whose every effort was to "manage the decline" of the USA. THAT is what President Trump defeated with Make America Great Again.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Strike3 11/30/2022 6:27:52 PM (No. 1346025)
Trump supporters and republicans may exist in overlapping groups but not the same, ever.
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