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Vatican nixes use of ‘Co-Redemptrix,’
‘Mediatrix’ as titles for Mary

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Posted By: Moritz55, 11/4/2025 11:56:16 AM

The Vatican’s doctrinal office said Tuesday the titles of “Co-Redemptrix” and “Mediatrix” are not appropriate ways to describe Mary’s participation in salvation. In “Mater Populi Fidelis” (“The Mother of the Faithful People of God”), the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) said when an expression requires frequent explanation to maintain the correct meaning, it becomes unhelpful. “In this case, the expression ‘Co-redemptrix’ does not help extol Mary as the first and foremost collaborator in the work of Redemption and grace, for it carries the risk of eclipsing the exclusive role of Jesus Christ,” according to the doctrinal note, released Nov. 4.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: seamusm 11/4/2025 12:01:16 PM (No. 2025759)
Pope Benedict nixed this years ago. Why has it re-surfaced?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: FormerDem 11/4/2025 12:14:01 PM (No. 2025767)
the right decision for the right reason imo.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: itsonlyme 11/4/2025 12:24:38 PM (No. 2025773)
“Co-Redemptrix” and “Mediatrix” Name names
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rather Read 11/4/2025 12:34:23 PM (No. 2025779)
I am a lifelong Catholic and a great admirer of the Blessed Virgin Mary. But she is not the co-redemptrix. That's bad theology, very bad theology. But there are some rad-trads who are going to be quite incensed over it. I am traditional but I am not a nut about it. As she herself said, Mary is 'the handmaid of the Lord". Let us all model her obedience to God's will and her great honor in being the mother of Jesus Christ. That's enough.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 11/4/2025 12:41:15 PM (No. 2025784)
Nope, those are definitely NOT "appropriate ways to describe Mary's participation in salvation" because she doesn't play ANY role in helping save people! Like Jesus, the God-Man, needs any help from any of us to save us. He needs our permission for sure, but He most definitely DOES NOT need our (or Mary's) help!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: franq 11/4/2025 1:00:08 PM (No. 2025799)
Good. And there is nothing to be gained by praying to Mary, either. Totally unscriptural notion.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Luandir 11/4/2025 1:02:14 PM (No. 2025803)
Thank Heaven there still seems to be some sense left within the walls.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 11/4/2025 1:18:50 PM (No. 2025814)
Weird. I thought this must be a Babylon Bee article when I first read the title. Who even comes up with ideas like this ???
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Reply 9 - Posted by: lakerman1 11/4/2025 2:04:46 PM (No. 2025821)
Let's be careful here! If we accept the idea that God chose Mary to bear the Son of God, that has to give her some special status with Him, "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death" sounds like good sense to me. But that does not make her a co- anything. (The Polish Catholics were responsible for the Co- stuff.)
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Pete Stone 11/4/2025 2:22:36 PM (No. 2025825)
Re #5 and others: The claim that no saints or angels can cooperate with God in working for the salvation of souls is a rejection of the Apostles' Creed. In particular it rejects the doctrine of the Communion of Saints, which states that saints in Heaven and people on Earth can pray for others. Furthermore, although missionaries who work to convert non-believers cooperate in the work of salvation, it implicitly claims that, once they die and go to Heaven, they can no longer pray for us. (That's very strange!) It also implies that, although Satan and his demons can influence us through temptations and other vile influences (including possession in some cases), saints and angels are powerless to help us resist evil. Does this mean the bad is stronger than the good? Finally, it implicitly rejects the existence of guardian angels, in spite of Jesus' statement in Matthew 18:10. (Now THAT is unscriptural!)
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Aubreyesque 11/4/2025 3:19:01 PM (No. 2025837)
THANK YOU!! If they had accepted them, the RCC would have to stop talking about a Holy Trinity. Heretical!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: PlayItAgain 11/4/2025 3:32:27 PM (No. 2025839)
22 And when the time came for their purification according to the Law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every male who first opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord") 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the Law of the Lord, "a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons." {Luk 2:22-24 ESV} Joseph and Mary fulfilled the law of Moses by bringing "a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering.", one for Joseph and one for Mary, for a sin offering as described in the book of Leviticus. 2 "Speak to the people of Israel, saying, If a woman conceives and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days. As at the time of her menstruation, she shall be unclean. ... 6 "And when the days of her purifying are completed, whether for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the entrance of the tent of meeting a lamb a year old for a burnt offering, and a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering, 7 and he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her. Then she shall be clean from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, either male or female. 8 And if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. And the priest shall make atonement for her, and she shall be clean." {Lev 12:2, 6-8 ESV} Mary acknowledges here that she is a sinner.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Venturer 11/4/2025 4:19:55 PM (No. 2025860)
I don't get into a lot of theology stuff, I am satisfied that Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ. Mary had it rough as a woman, she was cheated of all sexual pleasure throughout her life if we believe that she was always a virgin. Too much BS to have to sift through if we get deep into that part of it, much less was she a part of Co-redemption, which she wasn't IMO. She was a servant of God and she got no fun out of it. She did her duty and was taken up to heaven for eternity where we don't get to find out what her pleasures there are, or if there are any other than eternal life, which to a human could probably get boring as hell. There is no logic to religion we are supposed to take all thing on Faith. We aren't supposed to ask questions for which there are no logical answers. For instance we all hate Judas. But wasn't Judas born to betray Christ? Christ knew of the betrayal before it happened ,God knew it when Judas was born, What else was Judas on the earth for . Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Jesus knew he would, wasn't that all a part of God's plan? We are not supposed to ask these questions we are just supposed to believe. If we apply logic to religion we are not believers. That is why today so many doubt. I believe in Jesus Christ I am catholic I go to Mass, but I have questions. Mother Theresa had questions. Church is something that tries to teach us right from wrong If you can't believe the story try to believe that.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: franq 11/4/2025 4:39:27 PM (No. 2025867)
The Bible clearly states Jesus had brothers and sisters. The perpetual virginity of Mary is thus refuted.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Kate318 11/4/2025 5:58:36 PM (No. 2025902)
Never could understand the Protestant animosity towards Mary. It’s like their mission to degrade her place in the Catholic Church. There’s a disdain and even an anger towards her. If you don’t believe she had a virgin birth; if you believe it is pointless to pray to her; if you believe that Catholics worship her (we don’t), then don’t pray to her. Do your little non-Catholic thing and leave us alone. We don’t care what you think. We know what we know, and one of those things we know is that Jesus performed his first public miracle at her request at the Wedding at Canaan. He ever tried to beg off and she pressed Him on it. As she interceded on behalf of the bride and groom, so she intercedes for us. Many of us have personal stories that affirm this. It’s not that hard, really.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: TexasHillCountry 11/4/2025 7:26:36 PM (No. 2025926)
RE: Protestant animosity towards Mary. I am a Protestant Christian and have no animosity towards Mary, nor do any of the theologically well-informed Christians of my acquaintance. Please do not mistake our opposition to elevating Mary in theological thought to a place the Scriptures do not raise her for animosity towards our elder sister herself. What we object to is the actions and unbiblical thought patterns of some of our fellow Christians, not to the Virgin Mary herself. There are many places in Scripture where the LORD says, "My glory is My own and I will share it with no other." or similar formulations. That should give each current day disciple of Jesus pause in how we think about any of the notably faithful persons we read of in the Bible.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: FormerDem 11/4/2025 9:53:19 PM (No. 2025955)
#12 no. Jesus celebrated Passover, the sacrificial lamb and all. Also an admission?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Kate318 11/4/2025 10:13:53 PM (No. 2025962)
#16, then you are reading different Scriptures than I am. Thousands of years of Catholic theological study disagree with your conclusion about Our Blessed Mother and her place in Scripture and in our spiritual lives. Your remarkably condescending post simply proves my point about the Protestant attitude toward Catholic doctrine.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: dovestar 11/4/2025 10:14:23 PM (No. 2025963)
As a Traditional Latin Mass Catholic, I understand that co in no way means equal. We ALL are to cooperate with God's Grace and Will for our intended purposes. Mary intercedes and mediates for us as her Son loves, respects and DOES listen to her and our prayers through and WITH her. Don't believe that? You're missing out on something wonderful that the Church has believed from the beginning. Many saints and Popes throughout history referred to Mary as Coredempter and Mediatrix. Is it too difficult for the hierarchy to explain the proper Church teaching? No they take the easy and heretical way out. It will make it easier to set up the Synodal church they are making. Two other questions for some of you: if Mary had other sons, why did Jesus put His mother in the care of John? Typical mistranslation of the word brother. Also, if a Christian believes that Jesus did not enter into the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the usual way, what makes you think that He left it in the usual manner? Thomas Aquinas explains how His birth must've been. And what has anyone lost by living one's life in celibacy? I am no virgin, but I've never been happier giving up that fleeting pleasure for the Kingdom of God. For anyone interested, Anthony Stine has a video on this insult to Our Blessed Mother. https://www.youtube.com/live/FPsYBCsiZPY?si=wd08W9zhkwrA0gna.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: mifla 11/5/2025 6:45:17 AM (No. 2026054)
A group of us from our Catholic church go out and pray/counsel women seeking an abortion at a neighborhood clinic. A second group often comes out to the same location and made it clear from day one that they thought we were heretics and were going to hell. They even brought out a banner with a picture of the Blessed Virgin on it and had written the word IDOL on the top of it. They faced the banner towards us, not the clinic. Not sure what church they came from, but they did not like us much.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: LadyHen 11/5/2025 11:33:16 AM (No. 2026229)
We Orthodox have never understood some Catholic's need to elevate Mary to the same level as Christ but we are appalled by the knee jerk Protestant need to degrade her, question her virginity, questioning her purity, and treating her like dirt just supposedly to elevate Christ? Because we all know insulting someone's mom is the way to really get in good with them, right? You sola scriptura protestants (and I know what that means because I was raised one, I converted to Orthodoxy 26 years ago) do know Jesus didn't leave behind a bound copy of the KJV for the Apostles when he ascended to Heaven right? The Church and her Tradition compiled the finished form of the Holy Scriptures AFTER the Church had been formed and AFTER the Traditions of the Church had been running the Church for over 300 years. The first known list of the New Testament Scriptures was from AD 367. The Church reveres both Scripture (we do read almost the entirety of the Bible during our many services throughout the Church year) but also the very living holy Tradition which Jesus taught to His Disciples after His Holy Resurrection. He wasn't taking a vacation for those 40 days. That is when the Church became the Church.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: LadyHen 11/5/2025 11:40:06 AM (No. 2026239)
I also find it interesting when I was recently in Ephesus and Istanbul visiting archeological and traditional Christian sites, our Muslim female guides showed more reverence toward "Mother Mary" as many Muslims call her than many protestants I know do. That is shameful.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: franq 11/7/2025 5:32:20 AM (No. 2026819)
In answer to #19, I present this link. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Mary-John.html I believe it satisfactorily explains why Jesus entrusted his mother to John.
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