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Here’s An Idea: Use The Shutdown To
Privatize Air Traffic Control

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Posted By: RockyTCB, 11/3/2025 7:52:43 AM

"American travelers shouldn’t be held hostage by politics in Washington. It’s time to privatize air traffic control,” says Rachel Greszler in the Daily Signal. “The shutdown-induced mess at U.S. airports,” she writes, “demonstrates yet another consequence of leaving our skies in the hands of a politically driven, budget-dependent, and inefficient government bureaucracy. “It doesn’t have to be this way.” She goes on to note that “most other industrialized countries have lower-cost, more efficient air traffic control systems that are insulated from government spending battles.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: felixcat 11/3/2025 8:16:58 AM (No. 2025354)
Other agencies' employees are also affected by "government spending battles" but the spoiled brats of the FAA don't give a bleep about the safety of the air traffic system when they call in sick in a tantrum. You don't see other essential federal employees calling in sick. Well, who cares about TSA screeners - and BTW - can we start running security at out airports as if it's 25 years AFTER 9/11 and not as if its 2002?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DougTN 11/3/2025 8:51:14 AM (No. 2025368)
While I’m all for privatizing everything possible, the liability associated with ATC seems too high for private business to take on. Maybe Congress could limit liability similar to the airlines.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DCGIRL 11/3/2025 9:40:16 AM (No. 2025384)
As a retired federal employee, I think this is an excellent idea. They could become similar to the U.S. Postal Service and be quasi government. Some portions of the FAA could be left as government however, the air traffic controls could be under contract. I see this as a possibility.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Vaquero45 11/3/2025 10:02:56 AM (No. 2025392)
This is LONG overdue. We’ve been talking about it for over 50 years, since I was a flight instructor and cargo pilot. The Airport and Airways Trust fund is sitting on billions of dollars, that Congress won’t spend. Why? Because it reduces the deficit…. This could be funded by a $20 surcharge on each and every airline ticket sold in America. They’d have more than enough money. Get it done. As Trump would say: “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
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Reply 5 - Posted by: crashnburn 11/3/2025 10:06:55 AM (No. 2025396)
Not a good idea. Currently, ATC exists to keep airliners safe. In fact, it was started after two airliners crashed over the Grand Canyon many years ago. Airliners consume massive amounts of fuel, and as that fuel is taxed, those taxes fund most of the ATC services. Still, General Aviation (GA) planes need to use airports, and their fuel taxes also go into the general FAA fund, but while they need the same services, they don't contribute as much. If the FAA is privatized, landing fees will be institutes, and GA planes will be charged the same as airliners, but airliners can amortize the landing fees over many passengers. Even the largest GA planes don't come close to the capacity of the smallest airliners, so the cost will be exorbitant for GA. This means GA will avoid towered airports, and thus fly into un-towered, which by definition is less safe. Also, to get your Private Pilot License, PPL, you have to make 4 solo landings at a towered airport and you have to practice with an instructor before you are signed off to do those landings. Landing fees will make those landings excessively expensive. Not every pilot is a rich playboy. A lot of student pilots are working on their PPLs as a first step toward airline pilot, and have to borrow money for their lessons, which are never cheap. Landing fees will just raise the bar higher. Also, as airlines pay most of the ATC freight, if the FAA is privatized, GA will be shut out of airport management and everything will be done for the airlines' convenience, with GA fighting for scraps. This will not promote airline safety, nor keep the PPL to airline conveyor running. GA planes swamp the airlines' planes. The Cessna Skyhawk alone has more examples flying than all the other makes of planes - GA, airliners, and military combined. Privatization would essentially ground all of these planes and kill an entire industry. Other countries have privatized their ATC, and it has decimated their GA industries, to the point where only the rich can afford to fly. In fact, a lot of people wanting to train for the airlines come to the US, solely because even with travel and lodging, getting a PPL in the US is less expensive than in their home countries. So, no, privatization is not a good idea.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: stablemoney 11/3/2025 10:10:07 AM (No. 2025400)
Yes, privatize air traffic control, airport screening, student loans, and rid the government of unions.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 11/3/2025 11:17:04 AM (No. 2025429)
It would be a VERY bad idea to make a safety related job like this into a profit making job. The ways this can and WILL go wrong, and fail to deliver safety or affordability are numerous. BAD IDEA. Effectively they 'privatized' the FDA and CDC by permitting Big Pharma funding of parts of it....soon enough Big Pharma OWNED FDA and CDC and now our 'safety net' is a 'profit safety net' for Big Pharma. Make it private and the airlines will control it very quickly, and we would be very unhappy.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 11/3/2025 1:41:20 PM (No. 2025489)
If you think #5 is off base, and "Yeah, get those darned little airplanes out of the way of MY airliners", maybe you need to take a look at it from a slightly different mode. Suppose that the bus and heavy trucking industry controlled the roads, and you had to pay $100 every time you use an on ramp or off ramp on an Interstate Highway? And suppose that cars were limited to the right lane, 55 mph, while trucks could go 85 mph in any lane? Trucks can afford to pay $100 "landing fees" and $100 "takeoff fees" but us private car owners would be priced off the interstates. Pretty much the same deal with General Aviation versus the Airlines. Airliners use 90% or more of all the ATC services, and GA aircraft already have to hav $5000+ worth of traffic avoidance electronics in their aircraft. How'd you like a MANDATORY $5000 electronic box, which has to be installed by a government approved shop into your car to be able to drive outside a 10 mile radius of your home? And the electronics reports your speed and location to Big Brother every 15 seconds.....going on a permanent record which CAN be used for "enforcement activities"? Would you like that?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 11/3/2025 1:43:25 PM (No. 2025491)
The $5000+ electronic box already is required in essentially all aircraft.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: seamusm 11/3/2025 2:52:02 PM (No. 2025511)
Who will then unionize. Nothing will change.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: hoosierblue 11/4/2025 7:47:27 AM (No. 2025636)
I haven't even read the article but downsizing the government is always a good idea.
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