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Judge orders 6 agencies to rehire fired
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Posted By: Dreadnought, 3/13/2025 2:18:22 PM

Washington — A federal judge in California ordered six federal agencies to reinstate probationary employees who were fired last month, finding that their terminations by the Office of Personnel Management were unlawful. U.S. District Judge William Alsup in San Francisco handed down his order in a challenge brought by a group of unions against the Trump administration from the bench. He said that neither OPM nor its Acting Director Charles Ezell had the authority to direct the terminations across agencies. The order extends relief to fired workers at the Departments of Veterans Affairs, Agriculture, Defense, Energy, Interior and Treasury. "It is a sad, sad day when our government would fire some good employee

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/13/2025 2:26:10 PM (No. 1913897)
Uh huh. "Judge" Alsup - brought to you by none other than BJ.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: john56 3/13/2025 2:28:35 PM (No. 1913898)
Fine. Have them show up at 8 am tomorrow. Put them at a desk with no phone, no computer, no cell phone permitted, and work until 5 pm. With an hour for lunch and 2 fifteen minute breaks.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds 3/13/2025 2:29:19 PM (No. 1913899)
Ignore said judge, they all work for the Executive Branch...
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Northcross 3/13/2025 2:30:21 PM (No. 1913900)
I think the Trump administration handled this very badly. Big cuts should occur, but be based on poor performance or tasks no longer deemed necessary, not wholesale termination of newly hired employees.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 3/13/2025 2:31:35 PM (No. 1913902)
I'm going to say oy very right now and please apply it to all similar postings.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 3/13/2025 2:33:06 PM (No. 1913904)
Oy vey I say, oy vey!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Starboard_side 3/13/2025 2:33:19 PM (No. 1913905)
Essentially the judge is now stating that no one can manage or be responsible for the employees who happen to be represented by a union working for a Federal agency. What he also seems to not like is any reduction in a massively bloated government. When the Schumer shutdown comes along, they will issue a list of essential and non-essential employees. I'm betting most of the probationary employees didn't respond to the 5 question request of "what did you do last week".
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Reply 8 - Posted by: caljeepgirl 3/13/2025 2:36:19 PM (No. 1913907)
Yes, well we're right in the heart of TDS country here. To quote the elderly 'judge' Alsup: "How could so much of the workforce be amputated, suddenly, overnight?"
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Reply 9 - Posted by: skacmar 3/13/2025 2:45:00 PM (No. 1913911)
All of those federal employees were laid off and guess what: The federal government is still operating and functioning just fine! While the media and Democrats like to report the "Chaos", one needs to look at where the chaos is coming from. That would be from the Democrat resistance to everything that Trump and the Republicans propose and the Democrat, union, NGO, and advocacy organization lawsuits against everything that Trump, Republicans, and DOGE tries to do.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: bpl40 3/13/2025 2:50:11 PM (No. 1913912)
This issue I.e. District judges vs the POTUS has to be resolved by the Supreme Court ASAP. I think there is a 5/4 majority for it.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: planetgeo 3/13/2025 2:57:35 PM (No. 1913914)
"District Judges Gone Wild!" Another Jackass video brought to you by a Supine Court that can't/won't rein in these little would-be emperors in black robes. Utterly ridiculous. Better to let DOGE go through the entire judicial system and start mass terminations there too. They seem to be unaware that the federal government is going to go bankrupt (literally) unless these massive changes are made.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: anniebc 3/13/2025 2:57:37 PM (No. 1913915)
Another judge to ignore.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: slipstik 3/13/2025 2:58:14 PM (No. 1913916)
Are we Israel now? Where judges run the country. We have an impotent executive who can be ordered about by any judge du jour. This has gotten out of hand, and the SCOTUS is just as bad as the teeny weenie judges.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Californian 3/13/2025 3:10:07 PM (No. 1913918)
Very carefully hidden in the middle of the article is a single line that says "critical employees" were exempted and retained. If you're not critical why do you have a job? What exactly are those "not critical" employees doing and why are they slurping up my tax dollars? Notice how all those people have been gone for weeks and nothing bad has happened? That's what happens when you get rid of "not critical" staff. Nothing. Nothing happens. They're dead weight.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Texpub 3/13/2025 3:11:21 PM (No. 1913919)
I thought "probationary period" meant you could terminate an employee on probation within the probationary period. If it was determined that they were no longer needed, why would there be an objection to letting them go?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: stablemoney 3/13/2025 3:22:14 PM (No. 1913923)
The President must spend the money according to Congressional direction, and Executive personnel are determined by the Courts and Congress. Please explain what the Chief Executive CAN DO -- according to the Democrats. I remember Joe Biden ignored the SC on loan forgiveness, the border, or anything else he chose.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: singermom9 3/13/2025 3:24:53 PM (No. 1913924)
So is THIS what the 5 years are going to be? Trump acts and then the judges say no? Why does 1 UNELECTED judge get to trump Trump's decisions? How are these judges QUALIFIED to reject EVERY SINGLE THING?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Grateful 3/13/2025 3:24:58 PM (No. 1913925)
Unelected federal judges have decided that the primary role of government is to provide employment opportunities to anyone that wants a job. Government is the employer that is funded directly by taxpayers.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: singermom9 3/13/2025 3:27:39 PM (No. 1913926)
Oops 4 years. (Just had my teeth cleaned and brain and fingers not working).
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Reply 20 - Posted by: chance_232 3/13/2025 4:09:42 PM (No. 1913938)
So, what's the point of being the president if judges have veto authority over literally every executive action? Congress could stop this. But they wont.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: JackBurton 3/13/2025 4:28:30 PM (No. 1913943)
Probationary. They can be let go. No reason required.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: bighambone 3/13/2025 4:44:17 PM (No. 1913952)
All the terminated federal employees were hired during the last year or so of the highly partisan Biden Administration, and you can safely bet that the prime qualification for hiring most of them is that they fit within the categories covered by the leftist and progressive Democrat DEI agenda and Democrat identity politics. Clearly it is up to the US Supreme Court to stop all the Democrat nominated federal district judges from trying to stop the elected Republican President of the USA from effectively managing the federal executive agencies.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 3/13/2025 4:51:52 PM (No. 1913964)
Just say "NO".
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Philipsonh 3/13/2025 4:55:41 PM (No. 1913969)
The employees were HIRED, not APPOINTED. They fall under civil service rules. They cannot just be fired en mass. One way is by a RIF, where structured layoffs ensue. Another is by moving the agency to a location that few employees would want to move to, on their own dime. The Govt owns many buildings that are suitable for this escape from D>C>.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: jinx 3/13/2025 6:16:17 PM (No. 1914002)
One President fired all Federal Judges. I think it was Clinton. Never heard a peep out of Congress.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Californian 3/13/2025 6:26:44 PM (No. 1914009)
24, they were all in their probationary period. They can all be fired in bulk for any or no reason at all. Just like that. The civil service rules do not over ride the power of the United States of America as granted by the United States constitution. Smh
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 3/13/2025 7:26:54 PM (No. 1914032)
"A federal judge in California" -- har har.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: 5 handicap 3/14/2025 5:45:43 AM (No. 1914213)
As if! Judge, Stick it where the sun don't shine!
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