Zelenskyy Discusses Breakdown of White
House Discussions – Nothing is Acceptable
Unless USA Troops are Put Into Ukraine
Conservative Treehouse,
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Sundance
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
3/1/2025 12:26:25 PM
Zelenskyy appears for an interview with Bret Baier to discuss the collapse of discussions today at the White House.
Again and again, Zelenskyy outlines his view of “security guarantees” which includes the baseline component of USA troops on the ground. Zelenskyy will not accept any negotiations or ceasefire arrangement without U.S. troops in Ukraine.
This same “security guarantee” demand (U.S. Troops in Ukraine) applies also to the minerals guarantee. WATCH:
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 3/1/2025 12:30:17 PM (No. 1906364)
No US troops in the Ukraine ever.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
earlybird 3/1/2025 12:30:52 PM (No. 1906365)
The "minerals guarantee" was to be Ukraine's security for the repayment to us of the billions already sent to them. I did not see any mention by our side that it also was contingent upon our sending troops to Ukraine. IMO Russia would interpret that as an act of war by us and off we'd go into WWIII. There is a delicate balance here.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
sailannapolis 3/1/2025 12:39:54 PM (No. 1906368)
HELLO WW3
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Newtsche 3/1/2025 12:43:30 PM (No. 1906370)
Simple solution, based on the last day's domestic response to the White House meeting, draft Democrats, armed with cheap talk and conciliators.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
jalo1951 3/1/2025 12:43:53 PM (No. 1906371)
The $ billions was bad enough. But our troops is totally unacceptable. You cannot win on your own under any condition. Russia will win if you keep fighting and it will probably take longer with more death and destruction. Do you really think that the EU is going to pony up $ and bodies? If Adam Sh**head is on your side then that says it all.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
FJB 2022 23 24 3/1/2025 12:51:18 PM (No. 1906380)
If he thinks he is going to force us to put our troops on the ground he woefully wrong! He seems to have taken on this idea it is our responsibility to continue to not only send him billions but to now risk our blood for him, and I say HIM, because he refuses the idea of a cease fire or other negotiations. With him it is money, weapons and now our troops. Well VZ can just go to hell and if his countrymen have any sense they will get rid of him.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
daisey 3/1/2025 12:59:40 PM (No. 1906384)
After many years on Lucianne, my reply to Zelenski would get me in trouble for sure. Please remember, people, this man cancelled Ukraine elections and declared martial law. He’s an arrogant and spoiled child dictator.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
valinva 3/1/2025 1:01:34 PM (No. 1906385)
I guess Zelensky has no confidence that Europe can defend the peace on the ground. Hey big mouth indignant German politicians, why don't you offer to send your motley crew of so-called soldiers to Ukraine and show us how it's done?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 3/1/2025 1:05:46 PM (No. 1906388)
Forget about it, Z. Best you talk to your European buddies for your baseline troops.
I seem to recall Z's request to join NATO three years. When he refused to walk this back, it hit Putie's redline and he sent in his conscripts to shoot up Ukraine. But now we see the EU member states expressing doubts about NATO themselves and are considering dissolving NATO in favor of something else. So, this has gone full circle. We have a war that should never have happened. But it did and under biden the cheater's watch and while he spent 40 percent of this time at the beach house getting his IV drips to keep his noodle working.
EU, best you figure this out asap.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 3/1/2025 1:08:03 PM (No. 1906391)
You come to the U.S. seeking terms of peace, you don't demand more war! You come seeking more money or U.S. support, you don't put your back up and demand respect! You first, dress in accordance with the place you will be speaking, meaning a SUIT & TIE, not the uniform of Fidel Castro. There was NO other way for Zel to act other than obsequious and docile, not condescending and belligerent.
Now, for any out there who think there needs to be a "palace coup" in Kyiv to replace Zel, think again, such actions have throughout history gone the opposite direction from where those on the sidelines think it will go. Invariably, the "cure" will be three times worse than the "illness." Let Ukrainian officials resolve the issue quietly and politically to the satisfaction of its people.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
GOPinTN 3/1/2025 1:22:28 PM (No. 1906396)
The mineral deal was too nuanced for him to grasp. Having US companies and US employees in Ukraine was to ensure a pending peace deal to be made. It’s like an extension of the assured destruction as Russia couldn’t risk killing Americans if they came back for a third bite of the apple. Apparently thinking ahead two or three steps isn't his forte.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Lazyman 3/1/2025 1:26:53 PM (No. 1906398)
This makes me physically sick having faced a draft here in the USA and being sent to Vietnam as a 19 year old. In his country, 18-25 year olds do not get drafted to protect their homeland but we are supposed to send our kids there.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
red1066 3/1/2025 1:29:38 PM (No. 1906400)
As far as I'm concerned, no troops and no money. Replace this former comic with someone that isn't an egomaniac.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Krause 3/1/2025 1:33:55 PM (No. 1906403)
Is it possible he wants to be fired from the job? I’m sure he has gobs of money by now. This could be his way to go about it.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Felixed 3/1/2025 1:34:58 PM (No. 1906404)
I foresee emerging leadership taking over negotiations for Ukraine soon.
Very soon.
Mister Z has placed himself in unavoidable risk zone for having some kind of terrible accident. And no, I would not get in either a vehicle or airplane to move an inch with him.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
YorkieMom 3/1/2025 1:36:42 PM (No. 1906405)
Well Barbara Streisand to that!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
montwoodcliff 3/1/2025 1:40:33 PM (No. 1906408)
I am going to agree with Zelensky on this. He got screwed over by Clinton, who promised security when Ukraine surrendered its nuclear stockpile. Then Russia, a very large country if you'll recall, invaded the Crimea. Obama sent sheets to Ukraine instead of arms when that happened. So Zelensky, and rightly so, doesn't trust Putin, and he shouldn't. However, the U.S. holds the cards. Zelensky should not have agreed to a deal until he got some satisfaction in his demands. When it comes to getting guaranteed security from the U.S., that ship has sailed--for now. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump asks for 60% or more for mineral rights in return for American troops on Ukranian soil, or Zelensky could go back to Trump first and offer the U.S. a bigger share of mineral rights in exchange for the troops, and in the process save his job because as things stand now, he has to resign.
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Alrighty then. Good luck to you. Don't call us, we'll call you.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
justjoe1237 3/1/2025 1:49:41 PM (No. 1906414)
The moment he stepped out of his car, he sent a clear signal that he thought he was in charge. He was not going to give in to wearing a suit like everybody else. He stepped out of his car thumbing his nose'
Several times he referred to European support. That is a double edged sword. If he has Europe, but not the US, the US then loses Europe.
In ultimate terms, he does not believe that we can let Russia prevail. They would then continue moving east, triggering WWIII. He is what is standing in the way.
He came to meet Trump believing that he, Zielinski, was the boss. He was sure of it.
He found out the hard way that he was wrong.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Aklon70 3/1/2025 2:03:39 PM (No. 1906425)
American troops on the ground? If that's what he wants, here's two words for him: learn Russian.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Muguy 3/1/2025 2:05:27 PM (No. 1906427)
We are NOT about to get involved in another Vietnam/
Except for the demise of JFK on 11/22/1963 and he was never going to be pretexted into sending in combat troops like LBJ was. JFK was going to remove the 'advisors' in 1965 after his reelection in 1964.
Mr. Trump's joint venture would protect our interests without committing to WWIII
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Italiano 3/1/2025 2:24:21 PM (No. 1906437)
Simone should have clued Z in that Liz Cheney and John Bolton have left the building.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 3/1/2025 2:28:41 PM (No. 1906440)
Cut ALL aid to Ukraine. NOW!
Tell the Ukraine government that we will no longer talk with Zelensky. PERIOD.
Tell the Ukraine government that if we start talking to them again, after Zelensky is gone, that if they don't come in the proper frame of mind, there will be NO third chance. We will leave them twisting in the wind.
Tell the Ukraine government that we will NEVER commit troops to be in Ukraine. EVER! Because Ukraine wants our troops in their country to draw us into a larger war with Russia. We will NEVER be their pawns.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 3/1/2025 2:41:03 PM (No. 1906448)
American troops in Ukraine? Really? Trump can make a promise he knows the USA will not keep in the long term or he can speak the truth that any troop commitment would be a bad deal. Which would Zelensky prefer? A President that lies or a President that tells the truth? Zelensky supported Biden, a liar.
Thinking this meeting went exactly according to plan. Trump spoke the truth and Zelensky blew up because he cannot get anyone to protect Ukraine.
The only deterrents that stop Russia are nukes and military pacts like NATO. Gee is it any wonder Russia threatens WW3 whenever those subjects come up.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 3/1/2025 2:52:39 PM (No. 1906455)
Btw, nukes and NATO aren't exactly deterrents. Russia takes sides in Presidential elections. They like Commies and other lefties that won't take a hardline against them. They will interfere with elections.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Kate318 3/1/2025 3:30:15 PM (No. 1906476)
It’s not you, Mr. Z. It’s us. We’re just not that into you.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Samsquanch 3/1/2025 4:07:07 PM (No. 1906492)
Screw him!
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
kdog 3/1/2025 4:37:59 PM (No. 1906506)
Not an option. Make your own deal.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
JackBurton 3/1/2025 5:33:29 PM (No. 1906528)
The Z man should accept whatever was offered.
As for Putin... the way he has had to scratch thru museum tanks for supplies? And get north koreans to fight? Poland and the Baltic nations could march on Moscow and win.
If it weren't for the nukes.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
MHR 3/1/2025 6:28:25 PM (No. 1906545)
Not one American soldier EVER!!!!!
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
mifla 3/2/2025 4:34:26 AM (No. 1906704)
Trump will never agree to US troops in Ukraine to fight Putin.
He will simply wait for Z to come crawling back to DC when he realizes that he has no other options.
Look for Putin to press his military to take more ground in the short term.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Rinktum 3/2/2025 4:46:54 AM (No. 1906708)
It appears that Zelenskyy got a lot of bad advice from the traitors he met with prior to his trip to the White House. He found out very quickly that you do not disrespect the country in the Oval Office. He was desperately trying to assert himself and got a very public spanking by the President and Vice President, deservedly so. All he accomplished was that he strengthened President Trump’s position and weakened his own. There is no way President Trump was going to take such discourtesy from such a loser. The take down was more than deserved, brutal and on live television.
The President was trying to end the death and destruction and this little weasel didn’t have enough sense or honor to do what was best for his people and country. This is a new day, a new era. The United States is no one’s patsy. Let little Z go crawling to NATO for help. They do not have the resources to do for him what he needs. If war is what he wants and clearly it is since he refused a cease fire, let him live with this decision. He is going to very quickly see he has thrown his lot in with the wrong crowd. They love war when they can count on the US to be the one shedding the blood, but when it comes to the countries of NATO fighting and dying, they are incapable of standing up to the Russians.
I hope Trump lets him live with the decision he has made. Not one drop of American blood should be spilt there. The American people have had enough of sending their sons and daughters to fight and die to save the likes of this smug little ingrate. Let the Euroweinies face down Putin.
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I have to think that Trump allowed the cameras so the American people would see that this guy is not worth our money or the lives of our soldiers.
I am convinced that the reason all the dems got into this war was to protect their money laundering operation and biolabs in Ukraine.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Strike3 3/2/2025 7:17:14 AM (No. 1906758)
Sorry Z-man but Americans learned through experience in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan that dying in foreign countries is not a smart way to use your military. We got tricked, bribed and forced into those wars by dishonest and weak leaders just as we got into WW2 with the Lusitania setup that fighting somebody else's war is not appreciated and very expensive. When it's all over and the bodies come back, they still hate us. The excuse of fighting communism or terrorism no longer works because the evil always comes back and, as we are finding out, we are paying for it to come back. No more.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
TCloud 3/2/2025 7:18:33 AM (No. 1906761)
Bad risk! We take our loss! Zelensky, git lost!
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
nerdowell 3/2/2025 7:49:07 AM (No. 1906786)
It's sad it's happening this way, but the real plan in ending the war was to staunch the economic hemorrhaging of tax dollars into that mess.
Z-man turned to all his pals in the EU, who now have to pony up. Mission accomplished!
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
janjan 3/2/2025 7:55:17 AM (No. 1906790)
Most of the money gifted to Ukraine circles back to the US military suppliers. Zelenskyy is not the only one not interested in ending this war. He is a mental lightweight and has no idea how all of this really works.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 3/2/2025 8:26:54 AM (No. 1906815)
I hate to break it to you, Mr. Zelensky, but Ukraine has no strategic value for the US - except, maybe, rare earth minerals that we can get elsewhere. That's what President Trump was referring to when he mentioned that Ukraine was risking WWIII. We are not going to send troops to march along with Ukrainian soldiers to Moscow to kick Putin out. On top of that, Russia has about 5800 (nuclear) reasons to prevent such a thing ever happening. And to all the EU leaders praising Zelensky and cursing President Trump: you're pledging paper or blips on computer screens by sending "aid" (money) to Ukraine (while spitting in America's face). How many troops are you sending?
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Zigrid 3/2/2025 9:01:33 AM (No. 1906834)
No...pster #2...there is NO..."delicate balance"...there never was an offer to send American troops to Ukraine...that's europe's idea...so once again America can fight their wars...but...this time WE have President Trump at the helm...and he's steering our ship past the ice berg called Europe....this time..it's their game to win or lose...without America's money or military...WE are busy ourselves...WE have to put up the defense shield and drill...drill...drill.....and Bobby is making US healthy....
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
FormerDem 3/2/2025 9:13:12 AM (No. 1906838)
He made himself my enemy by demanding our troops.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
buckeye1 3/2/2025 10:19:39 AM (No. 1906890)
Zelensky's word if the day after his disastrous performance in the Oval Iffice is ''thank you''.
Zelinsky sees at the end of the negotiations that the US must accept his conditions...nothing less.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 3/2/2025 10:55:50 AM (No. 1906927)
Zelensky has forgotten we have our own borders to worry about. America First is not a slogan with us and President Trump. We mean it. Make America Great Again means we stay our of foreign wars that don't involve our troops. We're sick of war in this country and we want to live in peace not war. My brother died of agent orange from Vietnam and so many other families have lost members from wars that probably we shouldn't have gotten into. As they say: give peace a chance.
Thank you #32 you said exactly what I've been thinking.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 3/2/2025 11:13:18 AM (No. 1906956)
Nuts to Zelenskyy's demand for American troops in Ukraine. Doesn't he know that when we are there mining for rare minerals that Russia wouldn't dare attack our American workers. There would be severe consequences.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
mc squared 3/2/2025 11:41:49 AM (No. 1906980)
Another reason to thank God that Harris isn't in the WH
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Sunhan65 3/2/2025 11:49:19 AM (No. 1906984)
#34, we got into World War War II because the Japanese empire sank most of our Pacific Fleet at Pearl harbor. The Lusitania was World War I.
Korea is a tougher call. North Korea attacked the South under Stalin's instructions. Having said that, we probably would not have sent troops back in to defend South Korea had our troops been withdrawn earlier as planned. However, with American troops on the ground and under attack, there wasn't much choice left but to fight back and support them.
And that's the point where I'm in total agreement with your post. As soon as US forces are on the ground in any form, it is virtually impossible to extricate ourselves or even limit our commitment if they are attacked.
We don't cut and run. But that doesn't mean we should walk into every conflict that doesn't involve us. Our armed forces should be used to wreak havoc upon our enemies, not as a tripwires in conflicts we don't need to win.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
cor-vet 3/2/2025 12:19:28 PM (No. 1907003)
We don't need another Viet Nam, so a bunch of American youth can come back to a VA that will deny and fight you and your deserved benefits with all their might.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
Geoman 3/2/2025 1:55:39 PM (No. 1907031)
The "domino theory" fooled us in Vietnam but 58,000 dead Americans and 50 years later, it won't be so easy to believe that if the Ukraine falls, the rest of Europe falls to the Russians.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
BarryNo 3/2/2025 2:28:25 PM (No. 1907042)
Guess Putin can chew him up and spit him out!
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Kafka2 3/2/2025 2:29:21 PM (No. 1907044)
If Ukraine was made a member of NATO or the US moved combat troops to Ukraine, this would be viewed as a threatening act. But, establishing a US business enterprise in Ukraine near the occupied areas would complicate Russian military action in Ukraine, because Russia would not want to be guilty of attacking US citizens engaged in commerce.
Zelensky doesn’t seem to see the beauty in this plan.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
moebellini3 3/2/2025 3:04:04 PM (No. 1907059)
Somebody or some group got to this guy before his meeting with Trump. It only makes sense because how could this guy all of a sudden not know what is going on. How could he be so off base as to what was going to happen. All of a sudden he's playing stupid and Trump would have none of it. Maybe because he didn't get a check. Remember every other time he came here, Biden and democrats groveled at his feet and he left with millions in donations. Millions that were laundered right back into democrats pockets after he took his share. Maybe that's why democrats are so unhinged over this. There is more to this story.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
SALady 3/2/2025 3:17:16 PM (No. 1907067)
Zelensky talks like he honestly believes he has any leverage in this situation.
That is hilarious in the most pathetic way possible.
The USA is done all the death and destruction. We will help you with a cease fire deal with the Russians to end this bloody and useless war, but not another penny or American bullet will make its way to Ukraine. If you don't want all the bombing and killing to end, that is on your Zelensky. But we are done -- D O N E !!!!!
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
Kazzowee 3/2/2025 4:35:06 PM (No. 1907095)
Zelensky is a beggar. Beggars can’t choosers. He’s deceitful. Our delegation hashed it out with him prior to his visit. It was supposed to be the minerals agreement as Phase 1 to be signed on his visit. He knew this, but he renegotiated in public for security agreement. He thought wrongly that President Trump would cave like the prior administration. He can keep his minerals, we keep our funds and we keep our troops home.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
Kafka2 3/2/2025 9:15:11 PM (No. 1907259)
I don’t know if Zelenskyy got some very bad advice, has an out sized ego, or is too stupid to realize he is in no position to tell the US what it must do, but he just pooped in his own mess kit. The sad thing is the Ukraine people will many more deaths.
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Zelensky holds forth with Bret Baier. Video of interview. Maybe Z doesn't understand English after all?