A Highly Toxic Silicon Valley Meltdown
Over Well Documented H1B Visa Fraud Explodes

It's not rocket science, it's $$$. H1B's are cheaper than American skilled labor. It's about the bottom line.

DEI has created an educational system that promotes mediocrity. Lower expectations create fewer truly skilled STEM graduates. Companies are more likely to turn to foreign labor who still have work ethic and higher educational standards.

The real issue, bottom-line, is that Americans of any race aren't studying or training in the right subjects. On merit, they can't compete with these foreign-born applicants. Prove yourselves, and then make a rule to accept appropriate American excellence, first. I'm not happy with H1B, but that's mostly because politicians are running it.

FTA: “Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse.” Forcing American workers to train H1B replacements as a condition to receive their severance benefits is a criminal act.

Note well the the TOXIC culture musk and rami need to rescue their impoverished tech workers FROM to bring them to work in our "inferior" US culture. Poverty, pollution and CASTE. The last of which you also import with your "Erkels" as Rami unbelievably characterizes the desired geeks. In this country our Asian workforce promotes hires and fires by caste. Law suits exist. And musk wants to threaten us? Haha. Please Elon, go ahead and move to India. And take the toxic EV waste dumps with you. We long to see your Indian made landing bases cradle your landing rockets. And then toss them to the ground when they find out they were assembled by workers of a lower caste. It is good that we illuminate these foreign Illuminati right here at the start. They deserve contempt, and that they will receive.

#2-it started decades ago; DEI is of recent vintage. The problem started in the sixties when it became the education combine's goal of every kid going to college (if they didn't they were viewed as failures), thereby making most bachelor degrees nothing more than glorified continuing ed diplomas. DEI is nothing more than a way to destroy what's left.

Take the emotion out of the argument and you will find that Elon and Vivek are correct. Foreign workers generally have a better work ethic and are willing to earn less money to get a foot in the door while American workers often have a sense of entitlement and believe that they are "owed" something, even at entry level. They find it beneath them to begin at the apprentice level and work their way up. It's easy to denigrate foreign workers unless you have worked in mixed groups of tech workers and can see for yourself who generally has the better skills and is willing to put forth the extra effort to get the job done. Corporate management has a duty to get the best work for the least money and using H1B is a good way to do that. Those who run their companies using DEI and politics do not find themselves in the winners' circle very often.

The US workforce is owed something: the right not to compete against an imported third world workforce on our own soil for indentured pay scales. It is the GOPe talking trash against us. Nothing new here. It is good that we have this out now. Let us see your cheap underclass labor base vision now. We know how to expose that.

In 2000 I was in a group of American engineers that were marched out the door and replaced by H-1B's. They were being paid 1/3 our salary. At my next job I saw layoff after layoff always dominated by American engineers and a hiring in of H-1B's. Until there were over 1500 H-1B's at the facility and virtually no Americans. Most all wrote software. When you hear that companies need coders what they really mean is they need coders that will work for near minimum wage. It became apparent that the abuse of the H-1B system was happening in the early 1990's. Help wanted ads in the back of engineering magazines with qualifications extremely detailed and obviously just taken from the resume of one individual. We laughed back then at the ads because it was so transparent. The ads gave the company cover that they had tried to hire an American but couldn't find one that fit the "requirements". Requiring 2-1/2 months experience using a specific Ada compiler that was already defunct by 1990 was just ridiculous. But at least they were trying to have the appearance of obeying the H-1B law. By 2000 they weren't even trying anymore. They were just blatantly abusing the law. And to make matters even worse some of the H-1B's eventually moved up into positions of management. And the country she(almost always women) was from had no tradition of equal opportunity but rather had a system of ancestral preference which these new managers still practiced so an American stood no chance of getting a job.

Andrew Carnegie literally allowed his workers to be killed to make more money. Milton Hershey built homes for his workers and schools for their children. Musk is the richest man in the world but he whines he needs cheap labor? Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, PayPal, etc., created many billionaires but yet they can't compete without cheap foreign labor? If life is so hard for these billionaires in America, maybe they should move to India. If the work ethics of Indians are so great, why has their country been stuck in the bronze age for thousands of years until the British invaded? Literally, as Bill Gates sat testifying before congress that we need more tech visas, Microsoft laid off 18,000 American workers. Thousands of smart and hard working Americans have lost their jobs to foreign labor.

This has been going on for a long time. In 2001, I and the rest of the American workers at Synopsys were all laid off so the company could replace us with H1-B workers. Later, I was interviewing at Sun Microsystems with an H1-B manager. I kept thinking "What is wrong with this picture?" Still later, I was told, at the conclusion of the interview process the company was hiring a Canadian citizen instead of me. Completely against the law, but what could I do?

While I agree that underpaid foreign labor can be a problem, ALL industry must find the right price point that balances wages paid vs. what customers are willing to pay for products. As strange as it may sound, it's the same issue McDonalds has. If they pay their workers $20 an hour, their prices for food become so high that they lose business. Their solution has been to automate (machines don't demand raises and don't call in sick) and lay off workers. The remaining workers have to work harder for their money and many entry level positions have been eliminated. Years ago, RNs did most of the patient care in the hospital. Many RNs had 2 or 3 year degrees. The nursing education bureaucracy told new nurses to get a 4 year degree because they could earn more. Well, that was true. However, the cost for care would have shot up as the 4 year RNs entered the market. What was done? RNs are in hospitals as managers (many less of them) and general patient care is handled by (less costly) LPN's and aids. And BTW, many hospitals have foreign nurses to keep costs down. Sound familiar? To get back to tech, it IS hard work. The pace is fast and the demands and crisis management are stressful. I used to get paid big bucks for that. But we still were short of skilled workers. We would put out ads but if we failed to find qualified people, we looked offshore. I'm sure those people came in at entry level salaries, even though they probably deserved more. It may have even depressed salaries overall, although I didn't notice that. If you produced you got great pay and benefits. And, BTW, having a foot into America and the American labor force should not be undervalued. Frankly, I found the biggest challenge was getting qualified and hard working people. I also noticed a drift during my career of new people not willing to go the extra mile. I also noticed abusive companies that pushed for 14 hour weekdays and Saturdays. I expected 10 hour weekdays and some weekend time reading project summaries and planning but 14 hour days was nuts unless you got Microsoft or Google level salaries. But in the end, tech companies have to find a price point that their customers will pay, and customers are ALWAYS pushing to pay less money. Salaries are a huge part of costs and tech companies need to be creative and flexible in how they get and pay for workers. The article hints at some games going on and maybe that's true but we need to be careful about condemning processes that let our companies compete and get work done.

Thhis may be Sundance's most important article ever. Information badly needed. Most of those postinng here will agree with him. It is long. lt nad to be. Do read it.

If you visit the science and engineering departments at most universities you'll find most of the students aren't from here. We are doing a good job of preparing students from abroad to take American jobs.

Don't get too excited, but the average fresh-from-college engineer, no experience at all, feels that they are qualified to work at NASA. On their resumes they boast of building a robot during college. A little digging and it will turn out that the robot in question is a "kit" available on Amazon etc., that they probably only modified by painting it. My wife tries to hire recent college graduates - any color any gender - but US graduates don't want to do entry level engineering. As a bet I built a robot for my wife in an afternoon from a "Kit", but I didn't paint it, so she didn't hire me. Blame the USA university system. The writing was on the wall when available doctors weren't available so doctors were outsourced from other countries. Our education system is hamstrung by the leftists who have taken over the administration and we are hamstrung by foundations who only offer scholarships to the utterly unqualified and disinterested minorities. My friend from India gets the joke when I question how can a Chinese or Indian be a minority when they both have over a billion citizens.

While education certainly can be improved, do not be played. All this is, is to get cheap labor for the tech companies. There are plenty of American educated engineers out there to be hired. Its the money that the companies do not want to pay to get these people.

Ask any engineer who has worked in a major company in the last 30 years. H1B folks hold down the pay scale and take jobs away from Americans. Often Americans are ordered to train the Indians and then are laid off when the training is done. ENOUGH! Cut H1B visas massively, don't increase them.

#17. One of the more egregious companies that did that was Disney. Oh, how the SHTF when that happened!

My father-in-law was a traveling engineer - he was hired by the project and they worked their way out of a job and move to the next project - so I have some sympathy. What I don't get is why Americans are afraid of the competition. There was a time when we took on all comers. To those American the point was to have a job. Work and learn, and keep the resume up to date, and move on if it's not working. I don't believe anyone is owed a job, especially one that we certainly don't want the government picking the winners and losers.

Employers can list jobs they have no intention of filling in the traditional sense. This allows them to cry 'staff shortage' and bring in the coolies. The newer twists on this scam are the Indian mafia operating firms in the US or moving into executive roles in existing firms and hiring other Indians exclusively. It's the sort of stovepipe discrimination that white people are always accused of but the Indians escape any and all scrutiny as 'minorities.' The most insane part is that tech firms boast of their superior software, products, service but they readily seek untrained, inexperienced coolies who work on the cheap and have zero cultural literacy. And that horribly annoying accent.

Our best friend Bill Gates took it one step further. Microsoft leased a couple of small cruise ships, anchored them in international waters off the coast of California and filled them with foreign computer programmers. No documentation required. When companies go wrong it's not the fault of the workers, it's bad management and most recently DEI.

Seems the Democrats have found a soft spot and H1b is what they are using to stop MAGA right now.

I don't know what's the problem...any CEO will search out the most qualified...it's the business of getting a job done with qualified people....and. always working on the bottom line...profit....so this seems to me to be another narrative for the fake news....they are running out of things to attack President Trump and Vivek and Elon on...always trying to foment trouble for the incoming administration...it's getting boring....

Over 65% of the students in Math PhD programs in the US are from South Asia. Locals don't want to go there. And our response is to push Algebra commencement from Eighth Grade to Ninth. Because low math grades affect the self image of students from a community that votes 95% Democrat in every election. What else do you expect??

If you want to do more than complain, there is a great website, NumbersUSA, that is big on limiting immigration including H1-B visas.

How else do you expect China and S. Korea were rising in hi-tech competency so fast? Stealing of company secrets.

"It's not personal. It's just business." This line is repeated throughout Godfather II. Coppola said the Godfather movies were not about the mafia. They were about the rise of corporate America. And that repeated line, "it's not personal. It's just business" is the mantra of corporate America. It's personal when you fire a hard-working, diligent employee because you can hire another one in his or her place for half the money. You save money. But you lose your soul. If you think that business has nothing whatsoever to do with soul, you are no better than a mafia Don. You will do very well in this world. But not in the next.

I can’t agree that programming jobs aren’t fun or that motivated graduates need high paying entry-level jobs to enter a career field. After more than 40 years in high-tech starting with IBM at 18 as a “Customer Engineer” repairing punch card accounting machines and advancing as a Systems Programmer, Principal Software Engineer, Software Manager, Director of Software Development, and VP of Tech Support for Europe I’ve always found coding fun! One of my programmers one described programming as the most fun you can have your clothes on. After writing machine code for more than 7 architectures and coding in 6 high level languages for mainframes, rack mounts, desktops, and embedded processors, I always found the work challenging and enjoyable! As an alternate on the ANSI X3 T9 committee, member of CDC’s Cybernet design review board and advisor to the Texas State Technical Institute I found the work hard but rewarding and I would have willingly done it for free! I would no longer recommend software development as a career for a white male student! They will be the last to be hired, last to be promoted, and first to be fired in today’s Silicon Valley culture. I watched as American programmers trained their H1-B replacements, and as a Program Manager, sat at a conference table of a major credit card company as the management team spoke to an Indian recruiter on a conference call requesting young Indian programmers to replace the current American staff. After 9/11 and watching Chinese H1-B cheering as the towers went down I was terminated and never had another interview since I was designated as "over qualified". Wonder why the supply of American programmers dried up?

This has been going on for years and now everyone is getting their panties in a twist. As some comments point out the major problem is American education standards suck.

from all we have seen, number 4 speaks the truth.

oops-and -28. shocking bit of business altogether