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Climate ‘scientists’ discover they’ve
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Posted By: 4250Luis, 12/11/2024 5:55:03 AM

Climate scientists recently discovered that they’ve been underestimating the impact of a particular organic compound in the atmosphere, and the oversight’s significance is so profound that it’s left existing climate models completely obsolete. As Jo Nova writes, “This is so big, it may change the sacred ‘climate sensitivity’ of the whole Earth”. Isoprene is what’s known as a volatile organic compound, or a VOC, and “has a recognized role in protecting plants against many abiotic stresses” like “heat stress…drought…[and] oxidative stress” with trees being the greatest emitters. (When the chemical isoprene interacts with other compounds in the atmosphere, the products are a number of secondary organic aerosols.)

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Msquared112 12/11/2024 6:04:15 AM (No. 1852505)
Thirty three years ago, Rush LImbaugh said that the whole climate movement was bogus, just a means to take control of the lives of ordinary people. If you could scare enough of them, you can take control over everything they eat, drive, wear,—- and thus take control of the entire country. As usual, Rush was right.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: franq 12/11/2024 6:05:49 AM (No. 1852507)
They just learned there's something called "the Sun".
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 12/11/2024 6:18:02 AM (No. 1852515)
Now many at bats do they want for their dumb ideas?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 12/11/2024 6:55:17 AM (No. 1852533)
Have a "scientist" or an "expert" explain to you why they add carbon dioxide into green houses to make the plants flourish? #1 yes Rush was right 99.8% of the time
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Reply 5 - Posted by: privateer 12/11/2024 7:06:00 AM (No. 1852537)
Rush was wrong when he said that he wouldn't want to be President because: I couldn't take the pay cut'. He should not have been President because, unconstrained or defined by the demands of that office, he did the Nation more good just being himself. When comes such another?
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Reply 6 - Posted by: skacmar 12/11/2024 7:10:49 AM (No. 1852540)
Now trees in the rain forests cause global warming? Will climate scientists and activists call for the clear cutting of the rain forests now?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 12/11/2024 7:30:21 AM (No. 1852545)
Climatologists would get better answers from a "Magic 8 Ball". Earth's climate is managed by our sun, and the migration of our solar system through the Milky Way galaxy. Always has been. Always will be.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Northcross 12/11/2024 8:05:03 AM (No. 1852563)
Baloney! The science was settled long ago. Al Gore said so, and Al Gore is always right.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: czechlist 12/11/2024 8:24:42 AM (No. 1852576)
https://joannenova.com.au outstanding climte news site and cogent comments
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/11/2024 8:28:52 AM (No. 1852580)
#8 I believe you will find that a lot of global warming is transitory. It is caused by self appointed “experts” flying in private jet planes to conferences on climate change. The experts changed to climate change because some years the weather was cooler. That way if it got warmer or cooler, they had it covered.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 12/11/2024 8:29:24 AM (No. 1852581)
This is obfuscation. All their prior "research" has failed to yield accurate and therefore USEFUL models of climate. Their failure has become too obvious and too important to ignore (as they have been) so they are trying to reshuffle the deck without losing the SCARE factor that they have been beating us over the heads with and why we are doing moronic things like solar panels, windmills, and EVs to SAVE OURSELVES from their predicted disaster scenarios. So we have this Magic Gas that may be doing something positive to slow warming. I'm sure they will want to research it for the next 20 years to determine whether it matters and to excuse the failure of their climate models BUT for the meantime we need to still do dumb things to prepare for a climate apocalypse. Well, we actually have a REAL theory for them. When you model based on the theory it maps very closely to the actual climate history. It's tested and reasonably accurate. There's only one problem. There's nothing we can do about it because it is extraterrestrially caused. No solar panels, windmills, and EVs will save us. We may not even NEED to be saved because models don't predict a threat. WHAT is it? Clouds, that reflect sunlight and cool the earth. Clouds that are generated by comic rays that hit the earth. Cosmic rays that are subject to change based on the magnetic field of the sun which varies based on solar activity, which varies in cycles. Cosmic rays that also vary based on the earth's path through our galaxy. All these factors are somewhat predictable and when put into models, map to long term historical models of warming and cooling. So, we might face another ice age. All we can do would be to prepare to live in those conditions. We might face very warm temperatures. All we can do would be to prepare to live in those conditions. And EVs are not "save" us either way since our CO2 production is NOT the cause. If we faced lots of clouds and cooling, solar panels might be next to useless. The only question is, WHEN are we going to hold "scientists" and politicians accountable for LYING TO US and forcing insanity upon us.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Strike3 12/11/2024 8:52:01 AM (No. 1852601)
It's not a mistake, it's an inconvenient truth. Climate scientists have an actual need for their campaign of panic or they would be unemployed and homeless.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: JackBurton 12/11/2024 8:57:20 AM (No. 1852606)
I remember when President Reagan made comments about emissions from trees.... and was roundly ridiculed for it. Seems the Gipper was right all along.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/11/2024 9:08:33 AM (No. 1852619)
According to this lates SWAG, trees are the problem. The logical answer is to cut down a whole lot of trees. But here is an inconvenient truth. Centuries ago there were a whole lot more trees than now. We already have cut down a whole lot trees, to have fields to grow crops. Yet with a whole lot less trees, it still has gotten warmer. The real world facts don’t support the SWAG.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Mass Minority 12/11/2024 9:46:25 AM (No. 1852657)
The real problem with climate change hysteria is the models. Most of the " research" is making these models and just shuffling around variables. There is very little experimental work. Many " climate scientists" never leave their office. The fatal flaws, in my opinion (40 years as a research chemist, publications patents and all that) is that the actuall effect of CO2 on temperature is actually fairly minor, and it is close to maxed out. A doubling of CO2 at this point will block less than 1% more heat. ( Beers law, if you're interested). So what the model guys are doing is adding modulator to the model. For example if CO2 has raised temp 1 degree a trillion more gallons of sea water evaporated and water vapor will add x degrees to the temp. Or after enough water evaporates salinity will do this, or after adding all that water vapor it's warm enough to melt permafrost and add methane which adds more heat and that extra heat does this. Problem is all their modulator are positive, they all add heat. They have no negative modulator to cool the planet clouds really confused them. So did cosmic rays. Their model is predicting a tipping point where the positive feedback turns into a runaway train. The proof they are wrong is simple. For a billion years earths climate has been remarkably stable, plus or minus about 10 degrees. The fact that in over a billion years the climate hasn't gone into this predicted death spiral is pretty sure proof their model is wrong.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: janjan 12/11/2024 9:50:37 AM (No. 1852660)
How many more times are these loons going to tell us that their ‘models’ are all wrong and the problems are worse than we thought? They need the models because they have no actual evidence. Climate change is not a science. It is a globalist scam being used to control people and redistribute income. Their influence over this is waning so they are trying a new approach.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: MickTurn 12/11/2024 11:04:49 AM (No. 1852712)
It all started when they put temperature monitoring stations adjacent to HUGE Asphalt Parking Lots...Oh Duh, It's HOT!
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Reply 18 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2024 11:34:47 AM (No. 1852757)
I spent more than 40 years doing mathematical modeling of mechanical systems for stress, deformation and thermal analysis. The smallest errors or omissions in the modeling of these comparatively simple and well understood systems will get you a totally garbage answer. 'The climate' the system is unfathomably more complex, and extremely poorly understood, even today. Attempts at "modeling" what you do not have the ability to accurately write the complete mathematical description of all aspects of is just foolish arrogance. Or political hackery. I have never known exactly WHAT aspects of the climate were unknown and missed, but I have been certain that there were/are holes in the knowledge of the systems that you can drive a semi-truck through. Now we are aware of one more of these huge areas of ignorance. And I am pretty certain that there are other bits of knowledge that are missing which are utterly critical to an accurate understanding of how the climate "works". And I will say again. All current climate models are crap, and they can predict nothing.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2024 11:43:35 AM (No. 1852764)
Re #15, the last sentence is essentially a restatement of the short, quick answer I first got from an actual scientist friend (now deceased, heart attack, I blame the mRNA shots). I inquired about his view on MMGW, he said "It's complete BS." Totally unequivocal. I said, "How can you be so sure?" He said, "There are feedback systems which exist." Me: "Like what?" Him: "I don't know, but if they didn't exist, in the 4 billion years that the planet has existed we have gone from a tropical greenhouse to a frozen ice wasteland. If there were no great feedback systems to balance things, we'd have been stuck at one extreme or the other by now. Something always drives it back to the middle. And it happened long before man existed." Yep. Pretty simple and brilliant.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: chagrined 12/11/2024 1:21:17 PM (No. 1852830)
Yeah poster #18, I read somewhere that the only thing more complex than the climate of Earth is the human mind. Therefore, no one is going to come up with a model to predict the future climate of Earth any time soon.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: cartcart 12/11/2024 2:36:23 PM (No. 1852860)
Well slice my fat and call me skinny! Let’s put John F. Kerry in charge and get some tax money after this. Otherwise, we all are going to die.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: 5 handicap 12/12/2024 5:45:56 AM (No. 1853239)
FTA: "Climate ‘scientists’ discover they’ve been underestimating a major factor, and all their climate models are in fact wrong" That's been evident since the 1960s when it was global cooling that was the communist scare tactic, proven wrong, they changed it to global warming giving us only 10 years to live, proven wrong, they migrated to climate change... Now here we go again the America-hating scamsters, Al Gore, John Kerry, etal will find another way to steal from the taxpayers.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: BarryNo 12/12/2024 7:02:35 AM (No. 1853273)
So... Not only are they inputting garbage, they never considered all the garbage they needed to input. A true CYA moment to justify years of obviously wrong results. Trump is coming... Gotta hide!!!
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Reply 24 - Posted by: BirdsNest 12/12/2024 7:26:15 AM (No. 1853294)
So called climate scientists don't know their arse from left field.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable 12/12/2024 7:50:46 AM (No. 1853310)
Well, Isoprene is what makes the Blue Ridge Mountains blue. How could these Climate Dolts ignore something as prevalent as Isoprene in their models? Simple, it destroys those models.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden 12/12/2024 7:59:21 AM (No. 1853315)
Read Genesis, or here https://www.icr.org/ TBIYTC
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Reply 27 - Posted by: JimBob 12/12/2024 10:01:40 AM (No. 1853418)
So many good comments! I remember the 'Global Cooling' scare in the 1970's, when temperatures appeared to be falling slightly. Ever notice that all the 'gloom and doom' temperature charts begin in 1979? That's because that is the year the temperature charts 'bottomed out' and began rising again. I also am aware that the keepers of the temperature data 'adjust' the data -actually go in and change the numbers- of old temperature records, a little at a time, always adjusting the oldest data more than the more recent, and always lowering the numbers, to give a false impression of rising temperatures. I too remember Rush's comments. I remember Reagan's comments and the press mercilessly mocking him. Remember "Killer Trees"? As Reagan said, and as #25 noted, the Blue Ridge mountains, and another section of the same mountain chain named the Smokey Mountains, are named that for a reason. I also realized long ago that pretty much all the 'climate research' is dependent of Federal research grants. The researchers are smart enough to realize that they have to please their Federal overlords with the results of 'today's study' if they want to receive funding for their next study, and thus remain employed. Most of the scientists speaking out against 'Anthropogenic Climate Disruption' (or whatever they're calling it today) are retired, and no longer dependent on receiving Federal research grant money. And as others have noted, the whole purpose of this -the biggest SCAM in the history of the world, is Political Power and CONTROL.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Zigrid 12/12/2024 10:37:36 AM (No. 1853448)
Well...well... so the Kerry is all wrong...then perhaps he should give back the billions he stole from Americans....perhaps Pam Bondi could call him to testify before a special committee just where all the money went....now that would be good viewing....I'm gonna run out of popcorn....Rush had their number...just as he said the lefties were intent on demoralizing white men by discouraging football for young men and making them participating trophy winners instead...Men are back...and they are wonderful...
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Old Army Vet 12/12/2024 10:43:41 AM (No. 1853451)
Global warming, cooling, whatever has been bs since the start. We were all supposed to be dead by now, according to Algore. I am all for preserving the environment, however, but not to the detriment of the individual due to governmental regulation. Make sense and we'll go along with it, try to be the gestapo and we won't.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Rumblehog 12/12/2024 10:45:36 AM (No. 1853453)
They prove themselves frauds when they refuse to divulge to the public what's actually in their 'models'. Not only that, but these, "Professor Planets" also curiously refuse to allow their "super-duper, double-secret models" to undergo the commonly accepted practice of "peer review," wherein they often cite "propriety," or Intellectual Property, when in reality it's simply that they have but an empty cardboard box with a "gohzeentah" slot and a "kummzoutah" slot, and it always spits out the preassigned answers to the typical questions. It's the Federal Grant//Big Academia//Wall Street Banker Fraud Complex.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: VietVet68 12/12/2024 10:56:41 AM (No. 1853465)
The leftist climate scam has always had two major components, the people who make a fortune off the scam, think John Kerry, and the useful idiots who go around defacing landmarks, protesting and pouring paint on historic documents. As with all things leftist just follow the money to get at the heart of the problem.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: kono 12/12/2024 12:57:46 PM (No. 1853535)
This describes the chemical and physical dynamic at the immediate interface between the aerosol and the plant, but does not propose to characterize the effects at the macro level. What implication does this discovery have on the matter of global temperatures, a.k.a 'climate change'? Is the planet's temperature effectively higher than estimated, or lower than previously estimated? Is the mean global temperature effectively buffered from the risk of escalated warming? Does it have better effects for 'developing' countries or for advanced countries? (Or will this be another excuse for accusing capitalist nations of unfairly reaping the benefits at the expense of socialist countries?)
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Reply 33 - Posted by: kono 12/12/2024 1:13:10 PM (No. 1853542)
Those 'feedback #s 18-19, the global web of life has a metabolic character, that provides some degree of self-balancing in the presence of changing conditions around and within it. I suspect it will eventually be found that temperature and atmospheric chemistry act like neural and vascular systems in cyclical variability... like the cycle of the heart's beating or the semi-chaotic patterns seen in EEG traces. But I try not to touch on that topic around here, given how many NorCal tree-huggers believe the universe is one giant (and conscious) living creature. Which inevitably STRENGTHENS their certainty that the earth is running a FEVER, like Algore said. Just shake your head slowly and roll your eyes so far you can see yesterday...
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Reply 34 - Posted by: udanja99 12/12/2024 1:58:41 PM (No. 1853571)
I guess this explains why not a single one of their predictions of the last 60 years has actually come to pass. /s
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Reply 35 - Posted by: edgar 12/12/2024 7:52:35 PM (No. 1853732)
Ah, the impact on climate models will be such that the end of the world has been reforecasted to be 10 years in the future and we mut act now to prevent it. Buy your Al Gore carbon credits now!
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George Stephanopoulos may be OUT at ABC News after CEO Bob Iger decided to pay out a $15 million defamation settlement, plus $1 million to cover Trump’s attorneys fees. Trump’s defamation case against ABC News was related to statements made by “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos. Trump sued ABC News earlier this year after Stephanopoulos claimed Trump was “found liable for rape” by a Manhattan jury in the E. Jean Carroll case. In 2019, E. Jean Carroll alleged Donald Trump raped her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in the 1990s. Trump has denied the allegations and called E. Jean Carroll a “whack job”
George Stephanopoulos reacts to ABC's
$16 MILLION defamation settlement with Trump
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Posted by OhioNick 12/18/2024 4:23:43 AM Post Reply
ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos is said to be 'apoplectic' and 'humiliated' following the network's decision to pay $16 million to settle a defamation lawsuit between ABC and Donald Trump. The settlement, which includes $15 million towards a presidential foundation and $1 million for Trump's legal fees, has sparked a firestorm within the Disney-owned news organization. Stephanopoulos, a former aide to Bill Clinton in the 1990s, was particularly incensed at being compelled to issue a public apology, according to the New York Post. Insiders explained how the veteran anchor remains 'defiant' amid the fallout.
Fury as California gets green light to
ban all gas cars in Democrat state
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Posted by Imright 12/18/2024 10:17:51 PM Post Reply
Automakers are furious after California moved forward with plan to ban the sale of all gas-powered cars by 2035. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Wednesday granted two requests from California to enforce strict standards for vehicle emissions after it found opponents were not able to meet the legal burden to how it was inconsistent with the federal Clean Air Act. 'California has longstanding authority to request waivers from EPA to protect its residents from dangerous air pollution coming from mobile sources like cars and trucks,' EPA Administrator Michael Regan said in a statement.
Poll: Mike Johnson’s Favorability Rating
Sinks Lower Than Joe Biden, Kamala Harris
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Posted by Imright 12/18/2024 9:31:58 PM Post Reply
House Speaker Mike Johnson’s (R-LA) favorability is declining, sinking even lower than Democrat President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, a new poll shows. Polling from The Economist/YouGov shows Johnson with a 30 percent favorability rating, well below Biden’s 40 percent rating and Harris’s 44 percent. Thirty-six percent of poll respondents say they have an unfavorable view of Johnson, and 34 percent who “don’t know.” The results show a slight decline in public opinion from last month, when another YouGov survey showed Johnson with 33 percent approval and 34 percent disapproval.
Natalie Rupnow's messy family secrets
revealed after Wisconsin school shooting
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Posted by Imright 12/18/2024 9:20:45 AM Post Reply
Wisconsin school shooter Natalie Rupnow was moved from home to home throughout her childhood as she suffered through her parents' turbulent marriage, court records have revealed. Rupnow, 15, had a troubled home life that included long bouts in therapy, while her parents Jeff and Melissa divorced and remarried multiple times, according to the Washington Post. Following three divorces by July 2022, the parents then agreed they would share legal custody of Natalie but that she would now live mostly with Jeff. Records showed her therapy at this time was to help her decide which parent to spent weekends with.
Nancy Pelosi, 84, back home after undergoing
hip surgery following high-heel fall in Europe
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Posted by Imright 12/18/2024 9:29:10 PM Post Reply
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived back at her California home on Wednesday after suffering a fall in “very high” heels and undergoing hip replacement surgery during her trip to Europe. The California congresswoman, 84, was spotted apparently talking into a pink cellphone in a black vehicle outside her San Francisco home in the first pictures of her in the US exclusively obtained by The Post. (Photos) Pelosi was visiting a World War II battlefield site in Luxembourg on Friday when she fell down marble steps while wearing heels — and posed for a picture immediately after.
Top Democrat on House Oversight Committee
Promises ‘Trench Warfare’ Against
Trump’s Agenda
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Posted by ladydawgfan 12/18/2024 6:31:59 PM Post Reply
The incoming House Oversight Committee Democrat Ranking Member has promised to carry out “trench warfare” against Donald Trump’s political agenda. Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), who narrowly defeated Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to serve as the head Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement that he would go all out to try and quash Republican reforms. “We know what the Republican playbook will be,” Connolly wrote in a statement following his victory. “We’ve seen it before. They have demonstrated that they are willing to traffic in debunked conspiracy theories and enable the worst abuses of the Trump administration.” “This will be trench warfare.
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