This is what you're up against now, Putin:
How America's Abrams, Germany's Leopard
2 and Britain's Challenger compare to
Russia's outdated T-72 tanks as they are
sent to help defend Ukraine
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Rachel Bunyon
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
1/25/2023 8:00:12 PM
The United States, Germany and more Western allies are poised to join Britain in sending heavy tanks to Ukraine in a move that could prove a gamechanger in Kyiv's war effort.
Washington is sending 31 of its fast-moving M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, while Berlin will initially supply at least 14 Leopard 2 tanks and give permission to other NATO countries - including Poland, Finland and Denmark - to deliver their own to Kyiv.
Britain was the first NATO country to announce it would send 14 next-generation battle tanks to Ukraine in the form of the Challenger 2 tanks.
And French President Emmanuel Macron said on Sunday that he asked his defence minister
Reply 1 - Posted by:
seamusm 1/25/2023 8:25:05 PM (No. 1387324)
Biden! Stop sending my money to the Ukraine!
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
stablemoney 1/25/2023 8:31:23 PM (No. 1387328)
This will not change a thing. Russia will destroy the tanks, and Ukraine will have ever increasing demands for money and equipment.
18 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
Mofongo 1/25/2023 8:33:40 PM (No. 1387330)
This will be over by summer. The ground is frozen.
3 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
Tennman 1/25/2023 8:55:13 PM (No. 1387340)
Many military folks rate the Leopard as the best tank in the world with the Abrams 2nd. Certified Russkie tank-killers. And #1's point is way valid. Thanks to Brandon, the Taliban's got our stuff for free.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
snakeoil 1/25/2023 8:57:51 PM (No. 1387343)
The P man will send Russian planes and missles to destroy the tanks. Then the V man will want his own planes and missles. The next step is nukes and we will glow in the dark. That settles it. I'm not going on a diet.
10 people like this.
Reply 6 - Posted by:
Zeek Wolfe 1/25/2023 9:32:50 PM (No. 1387367)
Putin army has shown that tanks are obsolete. Putin's purchase of American equipment from Afghanistan courtesy of Democrats and Joe Biden will show that American, British, French and German tanks are obsolete.
7 people like this.
Reply 7 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp 1/25/2023 9:48:44 PM (No. 1387371)
And if the tanks do happen to threaten Putin's efforts, that's one more step to push him towards using tactical nukes... In a war in the interests of only the elite political crooks of the world (NATO and WEF) who don't want Ukraine's money laundering schemes revealed and ended. The rest of sane and non-brainwashed Western humanity really, really, really, doesn't want this war to prop up Ukraine. And yet, there goes billions more dollars on the tail of billions upon billions of tax dollars pumped into this farcical road to the Apocalypse.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Venturer 1/25/2023 10:06:40 PM (No. 1387378)
They keep pushing and Putin is going to start sending war to those sending weapons. I wonder why he hasn't done so already.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
WI Cynic 1/25/2023 11:13:45 PM (No. 1387398)
Weapons don't win wars; weapon SYSTEMS do.
Part of what makes the Abrams, Leopard, and Challenger such lethal systems are their crews. They're not going to train up a bunch of volunteers to run those tanks at full potential in three weeks, three months, or even three years.
Part of what makes the Abrams, etal, such lethal systems is their maintenance. The personnel training and supply chain for that will take even longer to establish than the training of the tank crews.
Part of what makes the Abrams, etal, such lethal systems is the tactics. Combined arms tactics should only take the Ukrainians about a decade to master.
This entire idea is moronic.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
qr4j 1/25/2023 11:16:10 PM (No. 1387400)
What a rhymes with "hit hoe"! It's a family-friendly site, so I'll le you all fill in the details.
All these wars do is prop up wealthy people. Neither the wars nor the wealthy people they prop up give a damn about normal folks whether they are Russian, American, British, French -- the whole lot.
I am tired of all of this from the Bushes to the Cheneys to the Obamas to the Bidens -- and let me not forget the Clintons. They can all rot on a dung heap as far as I am concerned. It is all about money and power, all the time. It is not about "The People."
Oh . . . I used to feel sorry for the president of Ukraine. But a 40,000-Euro shopping spree by the Mrs. at Christmas time -- what a load of old rhymes with "hit"!
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
BarryNo 1/25/2023 11:16:19 PM (No. 1387401)
Nukes are the ultimate game changer. How sure are you, he won't use them?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Birddog 1/25/2023 11:52:06 PM (No. 1387409)
They are not going to fly them there, they will have to go by ship...ships can be relatively easily sunk, particularity freight/supply ships. Even once on land in the region, it is a looooong way from any NATO port, to the front lines, LOTS of bridges, tunnels, over passes that the trains carrying them would need to clear, all easy to strike, as are the trains themselves.. IF they tried to drive the tanks? count on serious breakdowns, parts replacements, particularly tracks and transmissions, sitting ducks the whole way, and they will destroy the roads...none are built for that kind of tank traffic. Using leopards makes better sense, send the abrams to replace leopard battalions in areas far from the current battle lines, if they are going to be sent at all. If Putin gets thew abandoned arms from the Taliban there are LOTS of smart 125mm rounds, 100's of them, deadly for tanks, fitting both the artillery left there as well as adaptable to Russia 125mm tank tubes...
3 people like this.
Reply 13 - Posted by:
DVC 1/26/2023 2:38:18 AM (No. 1387435)
Very small numbers, probably too few to make a lot of difference.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Subsuburban 1/26/2023 7:35:52 AM (No. 1387519)
Abrams and Leopard II's will NOT be fighting Russian tanks. They will be targeted and destroyed by remote control drones, cheaper by orders of magnitude than tanks. How stupid are these people?
4 people like this.
Reply 15 - Posted by:
TCloud 1/26/2023 7:42:23 AM (No. 1387522)
Consider the source. They have some idea of what winning and losing a war is. Still wrapped in war lite/PC/ROE and have yet to know that NATO going in and setting up shop in Poland is a threat to Roosyia and something called MAD will settle all of this with quickly!
0 people like this.
Reply 16 - Posted by:
faceincrowd 1/26/2023 9:39:03 AM (No. 1387625)
Why don't they send Stacey Abrams instead? She could run roughshod over some soldiers.
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