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People were turned into hamburger': How
Putin's arrogance turned the war into
a slaughterhouse for his troops

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 12/17/2022 10:33:39 PM

Yesterday the Washington Post had a story about an elite Russian brigade and how it was gradually demolished over the course of the invasion of Ukraine. Last night the NY Times published a very lengthy and detailed story looking at the entire Russia war effort and how, thanks to Putin’s own arrogance, it became a nightmare for the soldiers sent there. The story opens on one brigade full of recently mobilized soldiers who’d been assured they would never be sent to fight on the front lines. Naturally, that was a lie. Fumbling blindly through cratered farms, the troops from Russia’s 155th Naval Infantry Brigade had no maps, medical kits or

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 12/17/2022 11:02:28 PM (No. 1359149)
I've been spending a good bit of time seeking out reliable sources of information on this war. Some has come from friends inside Ukraine, but more from citizen journalists. One of the most interesting sources is a guy who posts Youtube videos, basically of PowerPoint presentations on the war. If you actually want good infor, watch any of Perun's videos. Well done, in-depth, not flashy, and pretty balanced. He is an Australian, apparently some sort of an ecoomics or logistics analyst in his 'day job', who was mostly doing a youtube series on a particular videogame, and he decided to do intelligence type commentary on the war. Worth your time, if you care about the facts.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 12/17/2022 11:03:41 PM (No. 1359150)
Oh, and the sources that I have found support the things that the NYT has reported. Amazing.....truth coming from the NYT??? What the heck?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rama41 12/17/2022 11:03:50 PM (No. 1359152)
Putin's idiocy is another tragedy stemming directly from the election of Joe Biden.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: sanspeur 12/17/2022 11:21:54 PM (No. 1359156)
Let’s put NATOOn Putin’s front door ..even though we promised to never do that .. And let’s arm those places to the teeth ( a very nice way to boost/goose US gdp numbers , too ) . The regions closest ro Russia are Russian speakers and heritage. Nice lil way to launder campaign $$$ thru the uke tyrant the back here to big guy .
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Reply 5 - Posted by: formerNYer 12/17/2022 11:33:08 PM (No. 1359162)
The Russian people had a chance at democracy and gave it the heave-ho and put the little dictator in charge. Mow they are dying by the thousands with no end in sight. The Russian peoples only hope is Putin's cancer becomes aggressive and he assumes room temperature. If the Russian people had any guts they would have a nationwide general strike and refuse to work. If they don't, they will lose a generation of men that are irreplaceable. This should be a must read.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 12/17/2022 11:35:09 PM (No. 1359164)
Intersting theory #4, but NATO has been on Russia's doorstep for years now. Poland, for example. Ukraine is NOT in NATO, and after Russia has attacked them, they are NOW more likely to want to be in NATO. And both Sweden and Finland, with borders with Russia, have long histories of neutrality, and not wanting to joint NATO. After Putin's lunacy, both Sweden and Finland have both applied for rapid entry into NATO. You seem to have things backwards. NATO in Ukraine was NOT happening, but NOW several countries on Russia's border are VERY interested in joining NATO.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Quigley 12/18/2022 12:21:02 AM (No. 1359175)
With bidet in command there’s nothing to worry about. The china block is nothing to fear, even if it has grown vastly over the last couple of decades. Repurpose your fauxci prayer candles and pray to bidet to successfully guide us through these difficulties as he has successfully guided all other things, like his f’ed up children.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: nerdowell 12/18/2022 12:35:34 AM (No. 1359177)
#6, NATO has been trying to get Ukraine into its economic orbit since before 2014. Putin is not going to let that happen.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: GoodDeal 12/18/2022 1:27:28 AM (No. 1359183)
I have seen enough drone videos of the Ukrainians dropping grenades into tank hatches and onto Russians huddled in the trenches and nests to know it's not going well for them. The Russians are in the middle of nowhere, in farm fields and tree-lined dirt roads. Tanks camouflaged loosely and getting taken out like a Sunday afternoon turkey shoot. Putin could care less about his "soldiers". The country will never be the same again for generations. Cleanup will cost in the trillions, and rebuilding the country is beyond calculation. So when he wins....what is he winning?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JimBob 12/18/2022 1:45:22 AM (No. 1359188)
DVC, thank you for the pointer to Perun's videos on Youtube.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: The Remnants 12/18/2022 3:56:17 AM (No. 1359206)
"Wars come from egotism and selfishness. Every macrocosmic or world war has its origin in microcosmic wars going on inside millions and millions of individuals." Fulton Sheen Before this hapless war becomes a world war, someone should have the courage and humility to say, "Enough".
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Reply 12 - Posted by: mifla 12/18/2022 4:28:36 AM (No. 1359218)
Russia and (by proxy) USA in a war that will go on for a long time, given that Russia is not the military power they claimed to be. China's got to be loving this.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Richard from Norwood 12/18/2022 5:27:53 AM (No. 1359235)
From No. 9 with a few corrections; "Putin could care less about his "soldiers". The country will never be the same again for generations. Cleanup will cost in the trillions, and rebuilding the country is beyond calculation. So when he wins....what is he winning?" Sounds to me at least, that the author could be writing about Biden and his Democratic supporters!!! The Dems ONLY care about, their own pocketbooks. Also long term politicians like McConnell!!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: F15 Gork 12/18/2022 6:42:59 AM (No. 1359260)
Hey Vlad baby, welcome to Vietnam!
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Mofongo 12/18/2022 7:04:11 AM (No. 1359271)
And Ivermectin will kill you. Believe anything from these deceivers at your peril.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Strike3 12/18/2022 8:20:58 AM (No. 1359322)
I have a Ham radio friend who talks to relatives in and around Ukraine. They are holding their own because the Russian troops are completely demoralized in many areas and would rather not be there. America has always been able to count on its own military to boldly go where no man should go just because the leadership in Washington says so. Imagine their surprise when Biden gives the next order and the military tells him to pound sand, even if vax status is forgiven. That's the price of idiotic leadership. Those countries scrambling to join NATO now are like people who have had their cars wrecked and want to buy insurance policies on them afterwards. All they had to do was join earlier and not pay their dues, unless it was during the Trump administration where the slackers were sought out and sent a bill. That said, both Putin and Biden could easily be in a state of mind where nukes are on the table and they personally have very little to lose by using them.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Pault135 12/18/2022 8:59:19 AM (No. 1359355)
Why should this story be a surprise? Read the history of the battles of Stalingrad or Leningrad. Or the Russian battles of World War I. Russian governments have been killing their own soldiers since the Mongol invasions.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: DVC 12/18/2022 10:44:13 AM (No. 1359478)
Re: the effects of artillery on troop concentrations in the open. I was once discussing the different points of "small arms" (which is mil-speak for the different military rifles and machine guns) and their utilization on a battlefield with a retired Army paratrooper. He had been a junior officer in combat in Vietnam. I always remember that after some discussion of small arms, maneuver, etc. he capped the discussion by the reminder -- "Small arms is retail, artillery is wholesale." He actually said "arty" which is Army slang for artillery. But his point is something to remember. If you can catch troops in the open with artillery, the description of the Russian survivor is accurate. Hamburger. Audie Murphy, the most decorated and truly heroic soldier in WW2, got the Medal of Honor for climbing on a knocked out and burning US half-track (gasoline powered so could have exploded at any instant) and using the vehicle's .50 caliber M2 machine gun to pin down well over 100 German soldiers advancing across a large open field. And Murphy, a trained artillery spotter, had a field telephone back to the supporting artillery batteries. He called in the artillery, corrected their fire, and told them to "pour it on". The artilleryman on the phone, concerned about landing shells too close to Murphy, asked how close the Germans were to his position. Murphy's famous reply was "If you can hold the line, I'll let you talk to one of them." The German company was destroyed, just like this Russian brigade. And shells landed dangerously close to Murphy, by his command. Arty is wholesale. That is wholesale death and destruction.
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