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The United States’ Use Of Nuclear Weapons
77 Years Ago Was A Moral And Strategic Imperative

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Posted By: zephyrgirl, 8/4/2022 3:14:36 PM

Americans are no strangers to “times that try men’s souls,” to borrow a phrase from Thomas Paine. By mid-1945, the United States had been at war for three-and-a-half years, enduring the draft, separation from loved ones, mounting numbers of casualties, and rationing, with no end in sight. Many Americans were weary, not unlike our feelings now, after two-and-a-half years of privations and anguish related to the COVID-19 pandemic. That sense of anxiety and the widespread desire to return to normality brought to mind how World War II was suddenly – and to many, unexpectedly – resolved.


I admire Harry Truman for making this decision .There were only bad choices, and he chose the least bad for our country (and very likely Japan).

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Reply 1 - Posted by: sw penn 8/4/2022 3:23:35 PM (No. 1237824)
Was it right to use the bomb? Marpi Point People who know what Marpi Point is don't understand the question. People who don't know what Marpi Point is don't understand the answer.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Banjo Willy 8/4/2022 3:27:24 PM (No. 1237826)
Nuclear Atomic One of these things Isn't like the other
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Reply 3 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 8/4/2022 3:44:21 PM (No. 1237846)
They started it. We finished it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: red1066 8/4/2022 3:47:10 PM (No. 1237848)
A million casualties were expected if an invasion of Japan were to take place. The U.S. military produced so many medals just for this invasion, that as far as I know, up until about ten years ago, they were still issuing medals to U.S. personnel that were made for that invasion. Japan had been warned and refused to surrender. Truman made the correct decision to drop the bombs. Anyone who visits the air and space museum by Dulles airport where the Enola Gay is on display, will find a large piece of acrylic along the walkway in front of the nose of the plane. Nut job activists have over the years have tried to damage the plane to the point that a plastic barrier had to be installed to protect the plane.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Strike3 8/4/2022 3:51:33 PM (No. 1237851)
Been there and got the pictures, #1. It's a sobering site. I think the first nuke should have been dropped on Germany. They have not paid the price for what they did and now they flood our country with BMWs for leftists to drive.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: chumley 8/4/2022 3:54:09 PM (No. 1237854)
Dont we have enough going on? Do we need to rehash a debate from 3/4 of a century ago? Are enough people not arguing about things? Good grief. They dropped the bombs. It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. That will be the test next time too.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 8/4/2022 3:56:46 PM (No. 1237857)
Of course it was. Saved huge numbers of Japanese and American lives. My father was going to be a fighter pilot in the invasion of Japan, and he many not have survived. THAT is very important to me. Screw the revisionist whiners. Both bombs were good things.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: chillijilli 8/4/2022 4:13:36 PM (No. 1237870)
Well, this is anecdotal so take it for what it's worth. I lived and worked in Tokyo for 6 years. I understand the culture. I speak the language fluently, and at least half of my close friends still live there. During the course of my everyday life, I would routinely be stopped by complete strangers and THANKED personally for American "intervention" in the war. The Japanese believed that our actions in Hiroshima or Nagasaki were absolutely necessary to get their military to stop fighting. So they credit Americans with preventing further incalculable losses...and for encouraging and assisting our former enemies to see the possibility of a complete economic recovery.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: bpl40 8/4/2022 4:18:14 PM (No. 1237873)
On Aug 6th, 1945 my father was a PoW held in a camp deep inside Malaya. There were rumors of elite Death Squads coming from camp to camp slaughtering Allied officers. .Because it was dishonorable for a Japanese to return home without the blood of the enemy on his sword. The Bomb saved them in the nick of time. My father and three of his fellow PoWs used to meet every 15th August (the day of Japan's surrender) to celebrate their deliverance. On the 25th such anniversary in 1970 the meeting was at our house. I asked the senior most of the attendees, who was a two star general, the same question. Was it 'moral' to drop such a horrific weapon on innocent civilians? He asked me to remember three points: 1. There is no doubt that the decision saved far more lives than it took 2. Based on what they had seen of Japanese behavior and policies, if the shoe was on the other foot the Japanese would not have hesitated even slightly to use such a weapon on their adversaries. 3. The primary responsibility of saving Japanese lives always lay on the shoulders of the Japanese Government. Not on the President of the US. he was responsible for saving American lives and that is what he did. That is how the real world operates. His words are true even today.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Zeek Wolfe 8/4/2022 4:37:56 PM (No. 1237891)
A good short essay on the reasons for nuclear warfare against the Japanese. For young people nowadays 1945 is like the time of Abraham Lincoln or even Julius Caesar...something from a video game nobody wants. I asked a few elementary history and geography questions of a 15 year old relative. He heard about Lincoln but wondered if Julius Caesar had anything to do with the caesar salad. Bottom line: The lack of teaching in his public school was stupefying. He knew about transexuals and gay pride, but Napoleon and Einstein drew blanks.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Hazymac 8/4/2022 4:55:31 PM (No. 1237909)
My father, seventeen years old when the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs detonated, had already been drafted, and would have been in either the first American invasion force scheduled for January 1946 (Kyushu), or the second (Honshu), scheduled for April. Gen. MacArthur's planners expected a million casualties and a half million dead on our side. Remember that 407,000 American troops had died between December 1941 and August 1945. An invasion of Japan would even more costly in American lives than the entire world war had been up to that point. And if we had invaded, the Japanese military had armed the entire population with whatever deadly things they could summon up, spears, sticks, rocks, etc.. Yes, the atomic bombs killed about a quarter million Japanese, but an American invasion would have cost perhaps ten million dead Japanese. The Bomb saved millions of lives on both sides.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: KTWO 8/4/2022 5:37:08 PM (No. 1237940)
OP sez it. There were only bad choices. Truman probably chose the least bad. Besides the clear reduction of American casualties the quicker end to the war saved millions in Asia. And probably, all said, of civilians in Japan itself. We can't know. IMO the two bombings were impossible for Japan's establishment to ignore or discount. Nothing else would have ended the war for another year.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: DVC 8/4/2022 6:46:56 PM (No. 1238022)
My father's squadron got to Saipan just as the war ended, but he told me about the massed suicides that they did at Marpi Point. He said you could look down and just see the bodies, although it had been a few weeks and they were in pretty bad shape. The Japanese were all set to do a mass suicide attack after we landed, and those without guns were working on swords and spears. I guess they were hoping we'd run out of ammo. The nukes saved a LOT of lives, and on both sides.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 8/4/2022 7:17:41 PM (No. 1238058)
It ended the war in the Pacific, didn't it? Interesting that The Bomb wasn't used in Europe to end the conflict in that European Theatre. Because Germany knew it was coming and surrendered a few months before the big day was to come. We will never know which German cities were targeted, if in fact any were to be targeted.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: RuckusTom 8/4/2022 7:23:02 PM (No. 1238066)
When you pull out the atomic bombs - and use them - wars tend to end quickly. Of course, we're not talking about MAD (mutually assured destruction). If this was Russia or China (or several other countries) we'd be looking at a Mad Max afterlife (assuming we survived).
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Right Time 8/4/2022 7:49:25 PM (No. 1238088)
Do it again, and nuke Beijing
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Reply 17 - Posted by: JHHolliday 8/4/2022 8:11:58 PM (No. 1238104)
As others have dad’s infantry unit was being staged for the invasion. I was born in 1942 so was ok but my three younger brothers might not be here without the bomb. We killed over 100,000 Japanese civilians when we firebombed Tokyo three weeks before Hiroshima. Rest In Peace, Harry, you did the right thing.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Faithfully 8/4/2022 8:29:24 PM (No. 1238124)
What's done is done. That said, why nuke cities instead of military and navy bases? Fwiw, Nagasaki was a Christian city. Pray for the day when they will learn war no more.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 8/4/2022 10:17:01 PM (No. 1238205)
Re #18, Nagasaki was an enemy city. And the choices were because of their military target value, and their shock value as the intent was to get the Japanese people to stop fighting, which seemed unlikely due to their literal religious commitment to the Emperor. Hiroshima was a huge Imperial Japanese Army base, HQ of 2nd Army and a IJ Navy base and harbor. Nagasaki was a secondary target, the primary was the city of Kokura, but weather conditions blocked the visual bomb aiming used in those days, so they went to their backup target. Nagasake had shipyards, made torpedoes and other war materiel. Lots of post war leftist disinformation on the bombings and the cities is out there.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: kennedylaw 8/4/2022 10:37:16 PM (No. 1238221)
Japan refused to surrender even after we bombed Hiroshima. Japan only surrendered after we dropped a second bomb on Nagasaki AND convinced Japan that we would continue to bomb Japanese cities if they did not surrender, not knowing that we had used all of the nuclear bombs that we had at the time. My father was a fighter pilot on a carrier on its way to Japan when Japan surrendered. He always told me that if Truman had refused to use our nuclear bombs to end the war, he would have been impeached and possibly tried for treason.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 8/5/2022 12:57:54 AM (No. 1238320)
Re #20. My father was about to embark with his squadron in a few more days when the bombs dropped. They were stood down the squadron, and he transferred to a different squadron and headed west on a carrier about a week later. And they went to Saipan, and waited there for a month, apparently as they were verifying that the peace would actually hold, before heading home. Sounds like our fathers were on very similar paths, and would have been quickly in aerial combat over Japan in a few more weeks if the bombs hadn't been dropped. Lots of bloodshed on both sides was avoided.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: mifla 8/5/2022 5:40:47 AM (No. 1238388)
My only regret about the bomb was that we didn't have it on Dec 7. That would have been a bit of a surprise if Doolittle's raiders dropped one in 1942.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: JackBurton 8/5/2022 10:17:46 AM (No. 1238663)
Two things. I worked with a fellow who was stationed in Japan during the occupation. He met a girl who had lived in Hiroshima. She survived because we dropped leaflets telling the people that a bombing was coming, that it would be huge, and that they should get out. She did. I only heard about this while working with this fellow in the early 80s. I don't recall it being in Hershey's book. Speaking of books: There is a book out there called "Marching Orders: The Untold Story of WWII" by a fellow named Bruce Lee. (no, not that one). The Soviets had a secret alliance with the Japanese and were working behind the scenes for a truce. It would be followed by the two countries uniting and taking over Asia. That was the plan. We decoded the Japanese secret codes and found out about it. It's why we didn't let Stalin know the details of the bomb. After Hiroshima, the USSR officially declared war on Japan.... they were holding out until Russia did that. If we hadn't dropped the bombs, among all the other bad things that would have happened, the world would have wound up looking like Orwell's 1984. For real. The info for the book came from declassified government intelligence and reports that were due to be declassified at the 50 year mark but were opened up a couple years early by the Clinton Administration.
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