Trump or DeSantis: Who Is the Man for
the Times?
American Thinker,
by
Dex Bahr
Original Article
Posted By: Judy W.,
7/21/2022 2:34:33 PM
Elon Musk recently declaring that we need to move on from President Donald Trump is the latest example of chatter I have noticed lately on the news and conservative blogs about why we need to do an about-face to Governor Ron DeSantis as our presidential nominee in 2024.
(Snip) First, I am a big Governor DeSantis fan. He is showing what strong state leadership looks like and how it is possible to constitutionally resist a tyrannical federal government. DeSantis has been a profile in courage, toughness, sensibility, and even love as he stands for the citizens of Florida. He is the living embodiment of a patriotic executive.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Northcross 7/21/2022 2:39:05 PM (No. 1223738)
They say DeSantis is Trump without the baggage. Just wait. If he is nominated the Democrat/media complex will saddle him with tons of made up baggage, starting with "Don't say gay".
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Trump has already built international relationships with difficult countries like North Korea.
But DeSantis is smarter regarding Fauci, vaccines, vents, masks and the related tyranny.
Both have a much needed backbone in a sea of jellyfish.
So I am torn.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
jimboscott 7/21/2022 3:00:06 PM (No. 1223758)
1,
Dems would be fools to engage DeSantis on the 'Don't say straight' bill. It would bring the truth of that bill to light and, given the bizarre and queer spectacle we have been subjected to with drag queens flopping their fake boobs in the faces of three year olds... I say bring on DeSantis and let the chips fall where they may.
Trump will created broken glass liberal voters without a doubt. He should stand down and give DeSantis his full blessing. I have no doubt that is the right course of action. I have serious doubts that he will take it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 7/21/2022 3:05:15 PM (No. 1223760)
Both are far, far superior to the destructive crazies that we have in the Demonrat party.
I prefer Trump first because he is aging out, and then DeSantis. I'll support either one. If on the ballot for a primary in 2024, I'll vote Trump, DeSantis is WONDERFUL but has a longer shelf life available.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
AltaD 7/21/2022 3:11:02 PM (No. 1223764)
My nephew's theory is that they're working together to keep the MSM off balance and the slime machine off DeSantis for as long as possible. His theory is that soon, Trump will formally announce he's running in 2024. DeSantis will be supportive but make no formal announcements regarding his own plans for the future. Then at the last possible moment to get DeSantis nominated, Trump will announce he's not running because he wants to spend more time with family (the usual spin) and will tap DeSantis as the man to take his place.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Kate318 7/21/2022 3:12:10 PM (No. 1223766)
Both. There. Can we move off this question now?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
padiva 7/21/2022 3:15:10 PM (No. 1223768)
Both
PDT has the best international communications.
DeSantis is best for domestic policy.....making the states be responsible for the 10th Amendment. (Reversing federal laws that are overreaching.)
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Omen55 7/21/2022 3:19:12 PM (No. 1223773)
To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, we cannot spare this man; he fights.
For US!
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
TexaTucky 7/21/2022 3:21:12 PM (No. 1223775)
The question insinuates the false premise that it's either/or. It's not. Heck, we could even add Pompeo and Ric Grenell to the mix. The more Good Guys, the merrier.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Red Ghost 7/21/2022 3:21:54 PM (No. 1223777)
I love Ron DeSantis and I agree with the writer, he will make a terrific president. If something happens and Trump does not run in 2024, then DeSantis should give it a go. While he would be fine in 2024, he does need more experience, both in government and life.
I too have heard many of my conservative friends talk about how Trump shouldn't run because he is so divisive. Makes me want to puke. Haven't these people learned ANYTHING. Democrats and the deep state will destroy any great Republican nominee. As with Trump, if they can't find anything they will make it up and we know our corrupt federal law enforcement agencies will happily prosecute any hoax.
There are many reasons Trump must run in 2024 and be supported. First of all, we all know he DID win the 2020 election and by a large majority. So to my Trump worrying friends, I say if you believe the election was stolen, then I guess he wasn't all that divisive, was he?
The battle we are waging is not just against deep staters in the US, but we are fighting for our very existence, against a well funded, well organized global deep state of elites and countries including China, intent on changing the world. There is only one man that has the personality to push through and take this fight right back at these evil people and that is Donald J. Trump. Any other president or politician would have cut loose Brett Kavanaugh when the first, false accusation was lobbed against him. Trump never waivered. His attitude was bring it on. No other president would have had the balls to nominate Amy Barrett and stick with her nomination as it got rough. Any lesser man who has been put through was Trump has, would have curled up into a little ball, but not Trump. The man just cannot be intimidated. Name me one other politician or government official that can be said about.
Trump has enormous presence, guts, experience and a personality that is larger than life. Ron DeSantis, I think will gain all of those attributes, but right now he needs more time. There is no one, NO ONE, in this country or perhaps even the planet, that is like Trump. He is the only one that can battle against the forces that wish to destroy our country and realign the world.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
qr4j 7/21/2022 3:28:37 PM (No. 1223780)
DeSantis, please. Time for someone younger. I like what he says and does. I like how he won’t back down from the media. We haven’t had a Gen X prez yet. Time to move on … especially if the guy is good … as DeSantis is.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Illinois Mom 7/21/2022 3:32:21 PM (No. 1223783)
I too really like DeSantis. I certainly see him as the future of the Republican party, however he is still young, has a young growing family and not fully, tested (against the certain onslaught of negativity) on the national stage. That will be like nothing he has experienced to date.
Donald Trump withstood attacks that were unprecedented. His campaign was spied on by Obama, Biden and Hillary. They conspired and accused him of treason. Every day there was another ridiculous "Gottcha bombshell." Despite the personal attacks Trump stayed standing. He kept his promises ans actually STOOD UP FOR US. Life improved for all of us. Rather than pandering to one special interest group, he raided ALL boats. He is proud of this country and never hesitated to say so. He supported the military in every way and they responded in kind.
Ron DeSantis will be an amazing successor to Trump but needs the seasoning that four years as Trump's Vice President will bring. He can learn at the feet of the master.
Trump took all of that abuse. I can't think of anyone else who would not have caved. He didn't need that job, he did it for us and we owe him our continued support. Given what we are experiencing now I would be so grateful to have our personal "Bull in the China Shop" back in charge.
To me a Trump DeSantis ticket would be unstoppable. (And..there is NO law that the President and Vice President cannot be from the same state.)
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Geoman 7/21/2022 3:39:21 PM (No. 1223788)
The author is all in on Trump, so his faint praise of DeSantis is overpowered by his thesis that DeSantis isn’t ready, as if being governor of a large, diversely populated state makes him less prepared for the presidency than was Trump in 2015-16. He focuses on how the media would trash DeSantis but not a mention of the voters who would vote for DeSantis and put him in office. Like many, except for the hardcore GOP haters, I’ll vote for either of them if nominated. I’m just not buying the author’s take on DeSantis.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
czechlist 7/21/2022 3:42:28 PM (No. 1223792)
Desantis as of now
Love Trump but the bidet's performance brings age to the fore and before he is out it will get worse and it will influence many voters. Besides, the boomers have screwed up the country enough. The younger generation needs to step up and determine their own future.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 7/21/2022 3:43:42 PM (No. 1223793)
The Pubbie nomination is President Trump's - - if he wants it.
Governor De Santis is too smart and too decent to challenge him.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Son of Grady 7/21/2022 3:53:28 PM (No. 1223802)
I agree with #7. Both
President Trump
Vice President DeSantis. ( then he'll become President for two terms)
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
lawdoc 7/21/2022 4:09:55 PM (No. 1223813)
We need the next president to be more than just very conservative. We need him to be deeply committed to fighting the deep state and draining the swamp. Only Trump has a strong enough desire to do that: revenge. Vengeance is the only motive that will be strong enough to fuel that fight. Therefore, we must have Trump now, followed by a committed ideological conservative like DeSantis 4 years later. Now we need Trump to exact revenge against the deep state swamp. The swamp understands this, which is why they are fighting so hard to keep Trump out. That's why they imprison his supporters, i.e., J6, Navarro, Bannon, Stone etc. We cannot abandon them.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/21/2022 4:13:22 PM (No. 1223814)
I have been a DeSantis fan for years, watching his performance in other arenas. He is steadfast. He’ll be there.
I agree with all that this author has to say in his well-reasoned piece. We need Trump again to right the ship. De Santis will have his back and continue to build what was a pretty wobbly state into a Conservative powerhouse.
DeSantis’s time will come.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
ussjimmycarter 7/21/2022 4:15:23 PM (No. 1223816)
It’s not Trumps baggage! It is his not letting go of the last election! If he will stick to what he will do to reverse Brandon, he’s my guy! He has the stones and fighting spirit to take on the deep state! He MUST pick a cabinet of loyal and competent conservatives! And NO Jared or Ivanka ever again in the White House! Listen to Melania! She is the smart one in the family. MAGA!
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Rinktum 7/21/2022 4:21:26 PM (No. 1223820)
I wholeheartedly agree with this author. The last sentence says it all. “ To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, we cannot spare this man; he fights.” If this country ever needed someone to stand up and fight this madness, it is now.
If you believe the 2024 election is going to be anything close to being civil, you are naive. It is going to be a slug fest. Democrats will say or do anything regardless who our candidate is. Therefore, I like the idea of putting our best warrior out there and let him go at it. After what democrats have put us through these past few years, they deserve anything he can dish out.
Why are we worried about President Trump’s behavior after what this lawless anti-American communist party has done to the very foundations of this country. Weak republicans who are willing to throw Trump under the bus are like someone who will swallow a camel and choke on a gnat. It’s not time to play nice. Give as good as you get. These people must be utterly defeated. We the people must take this nation back.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/21/2022 4:23:15 PM (No. 1223823)
Do you ever use site Search if you see a poster you don’t recognize,, but notice they have a consistent agenda? Can be very revealing. If someone seems to swim upstream a lot, and vows repeatedly that some pretty low-grade Dems will stomp Trump, and calls the Bible historical fiction...
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
bpl40 7/21/2022 4:26:23 PM (No. 1223824)
If Trump chooses to run the nomination is his. If vote fraud is held to a minimum, so is the Presidency. DeSantis is great but I feel his turn is 2028 onward. He should stay away and attend to his family,build his record during the 24 to 28 period. I think he might be feeling the same way.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
sterling431 7/21/2022 4:27:24 PM (No. 1223826)
This is a easy one. With Desantis you have to make a lot assumptions of exactly how he will act as President. Will he push back on all fronts even as the establishment rips him daily as President. No guarantees. With Trump, assumptions are unnecessary, as he is a proven warrior for we the people. He was the most persecuted President we have ever had in this country. We have a press corp such that iff they saw Trump walk across the Potomac they would yell "See, he can't swim". Jean Valjean in Les Misreables was treated better than Trump. We all saw the extreme hostility the press & establishment directed at Trump 24/7. Trump never wavered in his battle against the Press, establishment, and wrong headed policies. He challenged everyone that was not for America first policies. We all know Trump answers to no one except the American people. Why would anyone want a Trump lite when you can have the real deal. If elected, he would likely remove the FBI & CIA leadership, and clean house everywhere else that needs it. The Dem hate barometer is a good indicator as to who the Dems are most afraid of, and Trump wins hands down. Ultra MAGA.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
marbles 7/21/2022 4:30:01 PM (No. 1223829)
Read the article straight through. The case for Trump is quite logically made as is why DeSantis should not, at this time, run.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 7/21/2022 4:51:54 PM (No. 1223856)
If President Trump runs, I will crawl from my death-bed to vote for him, but I fear it would be an embattled Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't think the MFM or the 'Rats will go any lighter on DeSantas than Mr. Trump. Accordingly, I believe that a Trump-DeSantis ticket for 2024 is the strongest conservative ticket with the best chance to win. Absent the unforeseen, we could do a lot worse than 12 years of Trump and/or DeSantis. My two cents.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
49 Ford 7/21/2022 4:54:34 PM (No. 1223860)
Ron DeSantis has plenty of work to do here in FL, has very young children and his wife has been through a very rigorous medical regimen.
So...leave DeSantis alone and start thinking outside the box.
And to assume that PJT is the ONLY ONE who could stand up to the forces of the Deep State is to effectively say that the MAGA movement is just a one man show with no inner vitality. I prefer to believe that is not the case.
A small target like Mike Pompeo might make an excellent 2024 nominee. Let's keep our options open.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 7/21/2022 5:12:34 PM (No. 1223873)
Want to see how they perform on a national stage before passing judgement.
Already have a good idea how Trump will behave since he was President for four years.
I want to see what DeSantis says. We have seen far too many Republican candidates turn into RINOs.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Mauigirl 7/21/2022 5:18:16 PM (No. 1223878)
If trump wins in 2024 he takes office at age 78
He leaves office at age 82.
Too old
DeSantis '24
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Strike3 7/21/2022 5:50:54 PM (No. 1223928)
Trump has already proven that he is the man. He will fix everything that Joe has broken in a matter of days. FJB
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
MDConservative 7/21/2022 5:56:03 PM (No. 1223934)
Let's see, governor of a major state, three terms in Congress, veteran...yeah, DeSantis is just not ready. What nonsense.
And for those thinking '24 will be a cakewalk, don't bet on it. When one hears opportunity knocking, and that belly fire is burning, one takes it. Politics is ultimately not a team sport.
And one more thought. The unexpected death of his first wife may have unsettled FPDT a bit regarding mortality. None of us lives forever.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
SALady 7/21/2022 6:01:20 PM (No. 1223940)
Both. Trump in 2024, then DeSantis in 2028 and 2032.
Why is this so hard for people to comprehend?!?!?!? DeSantis is young and upcoming. He has everything to gain by being Trump's biggest cheerleader in 2024. By doing so, Trump and his 70,000,000+ followers see him as loyal and a solid conservative, who clearly does what is best for this country!!!
You have to realize that a sizeable percentage of Trump voters no longer consider themselves as Republicans anymore. They see the Republican Party as a spineless party that stabbed Trump in the back after the election theft of 2020. If DeSantis decides to go against Trump in 2024 and somehow wins, they will consider him as just another backstabber and will sit home on election day. They would rather let the Demon-Rats win than support a backstabbing lying traitor. Yes, it's gotten that bad!!!
However, if DeSantis plays the cheerleader role for Trump in 2024, and continues to pad his conservative resume as governor of Florida for 4 more years, he will earn the vote of all the Trump supporters in 2028, as well as a lot of their financial contributions, and the full support and financial support of President Trump in 2028!!!! He is smart enough to know that!!!
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
MDConservative 7/21/2022 9:11:01 PM (No. 1224130)
#31 - Suppose DeSantis had thrown in with PDT in '20...where would that presumed dynasty be today? He'd be sitting there with the loser tag around his neck, highly diminished for a future run. There are no guarantees that 1) FPDT gets the '24 nomination, 2) That FPDT wins the '24 election (the UNIPARTY did him in once alrready).
Politics is a strategic game, and when opportunity knocks one answers. Whether DeSantis would see running mate to FPDT in '24 as an opportunity is an open question, even if he has sights set on '28. Whatever happened to President Mondale? President Quayle? President Gore? Bush41 showed how fragile dynasties are. You might review the 1912 election for another illustration.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
FJB 7/22/2022 4:53:47 AM (No. 1224402)
Nasty leftists that the evil media convinced to "Hate Trump" in 2020 despite all the good he was doing will be back in 2024. But the media is a one-trick America-hating pony that'll say the same things (or worse) to those same nasty leftists about De Santis.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
beca 7/22/2022 6:31:34 AM (No. 1224440)
Trump and only Trump can fix this mess.
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Comments:
I haven't made up my mind on the question, but this writer has some powerful and reasoned arguments for Trump.