Onlookers urged police officers to charge
into Texas school where gunman killed
19 children, 2 teachers
Associated Press,
by
Acacia Coronado
&
Jim Vertuno
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
5/25/2022 10:42:03 PM
Uvalde, Texas—Onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman's rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, a witness said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.
"Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in. Minutes earlier, Carranza had watched
Reply 1 - Posted by:
smcchk 5/25/2022 11:32:56 PM (No. 1166363)
How much worse can this story get? I can’t imagine. Where is the police chief? Not one brave officer among them?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 5/26/2022 12:04:38 AM (No. 1166371)
How in the hell can they just wait there? Is this some of Mayorkas' genius? Has that lunatic foced them to react wrong?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Californian 5/26/2022 12:25:59 AM (No. 1166382)
Cops have no legal requirement to do anything more than file a report after a crime.
Arm yourself. Defend yourself. It is -not- their job to do it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Mike22 5/26/2022 1:08:42 AM (No. 1166398)
The border patrol went in against orders?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
bighambone 5/26/2022 1:14:23 AM (No. 1166400)
The established tactical protocol for school shooter situations once the perpetrator starts shooting, is for law enforcement to gain entry to the school building immediately, locate the shooter, engage the shooter, and kill the shooter to keep him from murdering more innocent adults and children. From media reports it looks like that’s what the border patrol agent did upon his arrival at the scene. There is no way after the perpetrator started shooting that law enforcement should wait 90 minutes before entering the school building.
The Mayor of Uvalde said that there are about 120 border patrol agents stationed and residing with their families in and near Uvalde. That would mean that there are a good number of children of border patrol agents attending that school.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Rinktum 5/26/2022 4:12:31 AM (No. 1166427)
If true, I am appalled. How could anyone justify remaining outside at a time like this? Processing this information is going to deal a real blow to that community. Apparently, those two teachers exhibited more courage in the face of evil than these law enforcement offers did. What this has revealed is that police need better training and schools need to harden their security. This is such a heartbreaking tragedy. I just thank God for those border patrol agents.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
chumley 5/26/2022 4:59:46 AM (No. 1166439)
More coward cops who wait 40 minutes listening to children being slaughtered and do nothing. They are the ones who signed up for all the heroics and the glory. That comes with a price. Sometimes you do not have an overwhelming swat team with heavy weapons. You do whats right anyway.
This is why I dont "back the blue". They will protect their own hides at the expense of the rest of us. Heroes. Pffft. Protect yourself. You are the only one you can count on.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
blueline 5/26/2022 7:55:54 AM (No. 1166509)
If true, it is incomprehensible and contrary to current training and policy for every department I'm familiar with. Admittedly, if the attacker has defeated immediate opposing force (the SRO), has breached the building, and is barricaded inside a room designed to resist forcible entry (with multiple victims inside),
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
blueline 5/26/2022 8:01:53 AM (No. 1166514)
(apologies for premature entry) - the mission has just been made exponentially more difficult. I still don't understand a 40 minute entry and neutralization of the attacker. If the attacker is having to engage me and officers from multiple angles (doors, windows), he can't be firing at children. Go hard, fast, relentless until you or another officer is able to put a round in his skull and end his miserable life.
All that said, I wasn't there and don't yet have all the facts. Once they're known, if officers failed to do everything to save these children, their lives will be filled with regret until they die.
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This is what you get when police are so villainized and handcuffed on doing their jobs. Maybe they had to wait for the social worker to talk to the gunman. S/off
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
red1066 5/26/2022 9:59:15 AM (No. 1166637)
So, there WAS an armed SRO (school resource officer) in the school. With all the news coverage, this is the first time I'm hearing about this. What happened to this guy? Was he wounded? Everyone is calling for an armed officer in every school. Well apparently, if the news is correct, they had one. What happened to this guy?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Strike3 5/26/2022 10:18:54 AM (No. 1166674)
Just like the Sheriff's deputies Marjory Stoneman Douglas. Living until retirement and pension is far more important than the lives of children.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Daisymay 5/26/2022 11:39:24 AM (No. 1166788)
The excuse that they didn't have a KEY to open the door to the classroom doesn't pass the smell test. First of all, they could have gone into that building through any window, didn't have to be THAT classroom window. Then they could have bashed in the door and shot the guy. Geesh, it didn't take the Border Patrol men but minutes to handle things. I can't imagine how those Law Enforcement guys, who stood around OUTSIDE the building for 40-50 minutes will be able to hold up their Heads and face the parents of those murdered children! As for the officer inside the school, it doesn't say if he was armed or not. It did say he was shot, but doesn't say what he did next! Lots more info needed!
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
curious1 5/26/2022 12:04:20 PM (No. 1166813)
As #3 very correctly points out, in all 50 states the police have no legal requirement to protect you. That's why I always find it humorous seeing the "To protect and serve" messages on their vehicles. You'll note it doesn't say WHO they are to protect and serve. Hint: It's not Joe or Josephine Average Citizen.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 5/26/2022 4:09:58 PM (No. 1167024)
After Columbine, the "agreed upon procedure" on a national level was that the first armed officer on the scene should enter and engage an active shooter.
Somewhere along the line....."smarter" fools have somehow blocked that good sense plan which was the results of months of discussions by the top experts in law enforcement on a national scale.
But that was then.....now apparently that is all "passe" and it's considered a good thing to let killers kill without interference for long periods.
BS. How many children are dead today that may have been saved by prompt action?
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See something, say something. Director of the Department of Public Safety confirms that it took 40 minutes or so between the time when the deranged gunman fired at the armed school security officer on his way into the school and when he was said to have been shot by the SWAT team, after he had already killed everyone in the room. Disgraceful. Cops say they were stymied because they couldn't find a key to the classroom door, although it appears to be a one-story building with windows.