Is civil disobedience OK if it’s the
only way to prevent climate catastrophe?
Guardian [U.K.],
by
Elizabeth Cripps
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
4/13/2022 9:35:12 AM
This week, climate activists disrupted the UK’s oil supply, because they believe they face a desperate choice. Nonviolent resistance now, or the unthinkable violence of climate change later. “There is a need to break the law,” says Just Stop Oil’s Melissa Carrington, “so we are not guilty of greater crime.” But is she right? In so-called liberal democracies, we have a default obligation to obey the law. It’s a moral duty, as well as a legal one. It’s part of our implicit contract with the government we elected, which provides us, in return, with the protection of justice. But what
Reply 1 - Posted by:
downnout 4/13/2022 9:42:15 AM (No. 1127346)
They ask what could be more just than shutting down an industry that kills people? Really? I suspect the offices of the Guardian are heated by evil oil companies. Maybe we should let them freeze.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Rich323 4/13/2022 9:43:51 AM (No. 1127350)
I can see it now, Burning Oil Matters protests in the US blocking traffic and fuel trucks. The problem is, their cause is based on media created lies, like “hands up don’t shoot” in Ferguson Mo was a lie, “Don’t say Gay” is a lie, and time after time the climate tales have been proven false. This may be their new campaign to compliment their plan to eliminate fossil fuel. Block all but electric vehicles.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
hershey 4/13/2022 9:46:01 AM (No. 1127354)
All liberals are unhinged mentally, the liberal eco-weenie, tree spiking, EV fanatics are even more so...if that were possible...according to Al Gorsky, we should all be swimming by now.....as he zips around in his planes and goes to his multiple houses...
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Maggie2u 4/13/2022 9:51:10 AM (No. 1127363)
FTA...'And what could be more unjust than supporting an industry that kills people?'
Betcha $5 this person is pro-abort. An industry that just here in the U.S. has killed 60 million innocent helpless people in the past 50 years.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
columba 4/13/2022 9:54:20 AM (No. 1127368)
God said that mankind should be stewards of the earth.
Climate change clowns believe that there is no God ... thus it is up to them to save the part of the planet that they like.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Italiano 4/13/2022 9:56:29 AM (No. 1127372)
Is it OK to take out those who think it is?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Mass Minority 4/13/2022 10:01:19 AM (No. 1127381)
This is not a simple question. Mainly because the clear answer is yes, even violent civil disobediance could be the moral and ethical response to a societal evil. The revolutionary war was certainly a violent act of civil disobedience and arguably both moral and just. Would a counter movement as violent as the NAZI brownshirts have been morally just if it could have prevented their ascension to power? In hindsight the answer is absolutely.
The problem is that we do not have the benefit of hindsight about the future. Every "existential crisis" does not rise to the level that those two isolated examples did. The problem arises when individuals transform from advocate to zealot. Advocates can be effective Zealots are downright dangerous.
Thoreau stated that civil disobedience was a citizens obligation in the face of injustice. He aso stated that as a citizen one must be willing to accept the consequences. Mandela spent years in prison and toppled the apartheid government. What rose was certainly better but still has problems, Lenin burned the nation to the ground and replaced it with terror. Both were expressing civil disobedience.
Violence is always the last resort of a moral movement, it is far too often the first resort of an immoral movement. And without the benefit of hindsight the real problem is discerning which is which.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
bad-hair 4/13/2022 10:02:20 AM (No. 1127384)
Anybody seen Greta lately ?
She must have lost her camera crew.
Doesn't even TWIT anymore.
Back to school moron. You've got some catching up to do.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
NamVet70 4/13/2022 10:04:23 AM (No. 1127388)
Anyone so arrogant to believe that the law is just for those other people needs to be sentenced to the maximum penalty possible.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
joew9 4/13/2022 10:05:12 AM (No. 1127390)
There is no climate catastrophe coming. The civil disobedience and the oppressive laws will be the catastrophe.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
marbles 4/13/2022 10:05:16 AM (No. 1127391)
There is no " climate catastrophe "....................so everything they're advocating for is based on a lie.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
EJKrausJr 4/13/2022 10:32:45 AM (No. 1127428)
Smith, Wesson and Colt may have a say in their default obligation to break the law. As Dirty Harry once said - go ahead ......
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/13/2022 10:33:41 AM (No. 1127433)
Where does Queen Gretta stand in all of this? Did she grow up and leave her followers to fend for themselves?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 4/13/2022 10:35:04 AM (No. 1127435)
I dunno. Is extreme physical violence OK if it's the only way to stop climate terrorists?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
FLCracker 4/13/2022 10:35:53 AM (No. 1127436)
So what if I believe "there is a need to break the law" to keep her and people of her ilk from destroying our economy and culture?
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
cor-vet 4/13/2022 10:45:30 AM (No. 1127460)
I may not use lethal force to protect my car from a violent environmental extremist, but the application of a baseball bat is not out of the question!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
BarryNo 4/13/2022 10:49:52 AM (No. 1127471)
Is Civil Disobedience okay if it's the only way to prevent tyranny using unscientfic memes to scare people into non-existent problems? These would be Man Made Climate Change, Covid, Wag-the-Dog Wars, and manufactured economic downturns.
How about open, armed rebellion?
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
mc squared 4/13/2022 11:24:48 AM (No. 1127512)
How many times has the earth been on the brink of climate catastrophe? Let me count the years:
!971
1975
All the Reagan years
1990
1998
2000
2012
All the Trump years
2020
Now.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
JunkYardDog 4/13/2022 11:37:43 AM (No. 1127521)
Environmental terrorists who love to virtue signal. Never mind the the tens of thousands who freeze and starve to satisfy their narcissistic moral code. If they want to live in the Stone Age, let the UK set aside a nice island with no utilities and leave them there to fend for themselves.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
formerNYer 4/13/2022 11:53:28 AM (No. 1127546)
I hope they like the "climate" in jail.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
TJ54 4/13/2022 12:31:39 PM (No. 1127595)
We should shoot climate change activists on site
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
DVC 4/13/2022 1:37:02 PM (No. 1127662)
There is NO "climate catastrophe". They have been pumping this "emergency" baloney for over 50 years. NOTHING changed yet.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
SALady 4/13/2022 1:44:03 PM (No. 1127670)
OK then, based on this lie-beral "logic", it sounds like it's time to burn down all the Planned Parenthood abortion slaughterhouses, and bomb the factories that make the abortion pills.
All for the "greater good" as they say!!!
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 4/13/2022 8:49:41 PM (No. 1127955)
Well- that settles it. I need more and bigger guns.....
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They have the same mentality as the subway shooter. Society won't bend completely to their will, so violence is required.