Did a Quickly Deleted Essay in Russian
Media Explain What Vladimir Putin Wants
Russia to Gain From the Ukraine Invasion?
Red State,
by
Streiff
Original Article
Posted By: Beardo,
2/28/2022 11:55:27 AM
One of the questions asked over and over about Putin’s callous invasion of an inoffensive neighbor, an invasion that is mysteriously rationalized by an amazing number of people on the right who were apoplectic over Trudeau’s brutality with the Freedom Convoy, is what was his objective. It’s obvious that he was torqued about Ukraine flirting with EU and NATO membership, but if he wanted regime change, a few million dollars, an AstroTurfed mob, and a GRU or Spetsznaz hit squad could have accomplished that (look at how easily Putin installed his previous stooge, Yanukovych) with much less melodrama and loss of life.
A country going to war to enhance its self-esteem. Sounds almost as bad as half of a country self-flagellating itself for slavery which ended over 150 years ago.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
GustoGrabber 2/28/2022 12:19:00 PM (No. 1085632)
He doesn't want a militarized neighbor, a corrupt kleptocracy of the new World Order/Great Reset/Fourth Reich next door. If Ukrania is to be a puppet government, he's asking himself, why is OK for Soros/Obama and the committee but not for me?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
MDConservative 2/28/2022 12:37:05 PM (No. 1085646)
FTA: Putin is targeting the entire international security order as it has existed since 1945. In fact, he’s actually trying to reestablish the security environment as it was on the eve of World War I with multiple centers of gravity and endless opportunities for Russia to expand her influence into areas where NATO has frozen her out.
NATO has done more than "frozen her out." It has expanded into neighboring territory and with Ukraine NATO appears to be playing games with "Russian" territory. It's not unlike China enticing Taiwan into a "special status" as part of the People's Republic, or offering Panama economic assistance and mutual security for the new Canal they built.
The world is more akin to the 1930s...and the US now is up to its neck, mired in Europe since 1991, when we should have waved good-bye to garrisoning NATO there. That would have prevented our "allies" from getting lazy and underfunding their own defenses. It would have prevented the expansion into the former Warsaw Pact, with countries who have little to actually contribute to Euro defense against Russian aggression. Croatia has even said it's going home if shooting starts.
George Washington warned us away from perpetual alliances (NATO) and involvement in European intrigues (Ukraine)...time to take heed.
And here we are. Nukes supposedly on the table. What are you prepared to do about it? What can NATO do about it?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
red1066 2/28/2022 12:38:16 PM (No. 1085649)
This not new or news. Anyone who has been paying attention to Putin for the last fifteen years or so knows damn well recreating the old Soviet Union has always been his dream. He's made no secret of it. That these so-called journalists and pundits in media suddenly act as if they have some kind of scoop or inside info is just journalistic laziness.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
kono 2/28/2022 12:41:48 PM (No. 1085652)
The source post links to an article. Wish I could read Cyrillic, though...
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
kono 2/28/2022 12:45:40 PM (No. 1085657)
Never mind. Ten minutes after I read the article, the displayed text doubled in length, with English translations being added. Didn't even have to reload the article... just had to wait. and wait. and wait.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
BarryNo 2/28/2022 12:48:10 PM (No. 1085658)
Straw men.
We on the right who "praised" Putin were pointing out he did not move till Biden showed his colors. It was also somewhat sarcastic of Putin, because a brain dead idiot could see the advantage.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 2/28/2022 12:52:55 PM (No. 1085662)
There is a lot of what I learned about the Russian view of Ukraine in that unknown, unproven essay.
Reading history in Russian and Ukrainian museums over many years, I read of "Moscow dukes" and "Ukrainian leaders", where the Moscow faction, hundreds of years ago, supplanted the original "Russian" leaders in Kiev, and moved the center of power to Moscow, basically subjugating Kiev (Ukraine).
So, for hundreds of years, from what I learned, Russia has had an "ownership" view of Ukraine. The Russians, more specifically Putin, are offended that their slave state has broken free in 1991, as part of what Putin has written was "the greatest calamity of the 20th century" - ignoring WW2, WW1 and all the mass murders in Ukraine by Stalin, and China and Cambodia with the wave of a hand. Russia's vassal states had ESCAPED from their soviet (and, for Ukriane, long pre-soviet) slavery and THAT was the most important calamity, not hundreds of millions of dead human beings.
I am not sure at all what the motives of this Grozev character are, but I can say that a decade of listening, watching and reading museum displays in many cities about many historic events in Russian and Ukrainian history showed that long ago, IIRC, in the 1500s the "Moscow dukes" managed to make Moscow the center of "Russian" (Slavic or whatever you want to call it) power, taking it away from Kiev which had been the founding city of the Slavs, apparently.
And how many know that the Ukrainians in Kiev have various statues and monuments to the Vikings who they say founded Kiev?
I remember when walking one Saturday seeing a bronze sculpture of obvious Vikings in a longboat with the huge high prow in downtown Kiev. I asked my friends, natives, to explain why there is a monument to what look like Vikings. They told me "Kiev was founded by Vikings, and they became the Cossacks, eventually". I have no idea how this plays with real history, but it is something, at least in their mythology, perhaps real, that they average Ukrainian believes is part of their history. After that Viking monument, I heard this story of Vikings founding Kiev from others. They believe it, apparently. Real? I don't know. Lots of blonde men and women in Ukraine.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 2/28/2022 12:56:44 PM (No. 1085665)
It's been apparent for awhile that Putin held delusions of carrying out a Russian version of the Anschluss. I's also becoming apparent that he a) overestimated the Russian army's ability to carry that out in the Ukraine, and b) badly underestimated the Ukrainian people's intent to resist such an outcome. Even if he manages to win a war of attrition, the fact is at this point he has been humiliated on the world stage, and it remains to be seen what desperate act he will take in an effort to safe face. I believe this will end badly for him, and if he doesn't end it by blowing his brains out holed up in his dacha bunker, he'll end up dangling from a meathook at the hands of his own people.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
stablemoney 2/28/2022 1:09:48 PM (No. 1085685)
Putin, like Hitler, finally invaded one country too many, and it proved to be the last straw. It is idiocy to keep pursuing a stupid decision. Get your no Nato, no Soros NGO's agreement, and pull your troops out of Ukraine. Maybe everybody will learn a lesson from it, including Iran and China realizing there are limits to what they can do.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
NYbob 2/28/2022 1:12:05 PM (No. 1085690)
Seems to me that Ukraine is a long way from being Poland. Considering the blatantly criminal money laundering of US taxpayer dollars that the Uniparty did recently, I know most of the world is still wondering how mitt romney, pelosi and most of all the Bidens, washed all those millions with the help of Ukrainian politicians. All of a sudden, all of that was cleared up? All the Ukrainian thugs involved were prosecuted? Even more alarming than sucking up billions of our dollars, are the reports of pandemic biolabs connected to the US. What the heck? Either this is a blatant Russian false flag to regain territory or Putin is doing the US and maybe the world a favor by taking out thugs.
IF Putin is justified because of the biolabs and corruption, he really ought to present the evidence. Putin on one hand and Biden corruption on the other. Not much of a choice. Where is the truth?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
lgplgp 2/28/2022 1:20:00 PM (No. 1085700)
Sorry, this alleged editorial smacks of fakery, too perfectly the worst of russian history and worldview. Reads too much like “Protocol of the elders of moscow”
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
jhpeters2 2/28/2022 2:49:14 PM (No. 1085794)
Putin finds himself in a strange situation. But maybe he has far better intelligence services working for him than we assume at first blush. Maybe he knows Biden 25th amendment bound? Anyone who doesn't think so is silly. But maybe Putin has inside information that the Nuclear football has been removed from Biden. Maybe, and the American dems are scrambling even now to create a Potemkin village State of The Union. Maybe Putin is well aware of this.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
homefry 3/1/2022 7:50:12 AM (No. 1086441)
He wants to re unify the soviet union, I think.
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