JFK's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald was trained
at a secret CIA camp preparing for invasion
of Cuba - and sniper who taught him insisted
after that there was NO WAY Oswald had
the marksmanship to kill the president
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Ronny Reyes
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
10/30/2021 12:00:03 PM
JFK's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald trained at a secret CIA camp preparing for an invasion of Cuba, the son of his alleged sniper teacher said. But Ricardo Morales Jr said that trainer—his dad Ricardo Sr—insisted after the November 1963 assassination that there was no way Oswald had the marksmanship to pull off the murder, further bolstering conspiracy theories over the doomed president's death. Morales Jr., 58, of Michigan, told Miami's Actualidad Radio that his father was a contract CIA worker, anti-Castro militant, counter-intelligence chief for Venezuela, FBI informant and drug dealer. Morales Sr went by the nickname 'Monkey', and was among the FBI's most infamous informants.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Ribicon 10/30/2021 12:01:16 PM (No. 961653)
This story was also in the Miami Herald, but the system would not let me post it. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article255356661.html
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
chumley 10/30/2021 12:03:28 PM (No. 961658)
So the government may have lied? I refuse to believe that. They wouldn't lie. They are too busy looking out for us.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Toby Ten Bears 10/30/2021 12:06:17 PM (No. 961666)
Yet Oswald killed him... Nice navel gazing though!
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Have never bought the story that LHO fired the fatal round. He was there, and shot, but there aren't many people that could have made that shot. I have looked out that window, and know that with a Carcano rifle and an improperly mounted scope, having already missed the first two shots, there aren't many that could have scored a headshot on the third round, in less than 6 seconds.
Anyone could make a lucky shot, but I will never believe that LHO scored the fatal hit. I doubt we will ever know the truth.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Ribicon 10/30/2021 12:20:00 PM (No. 961687)
Look up "Bush deluded gunman" on the usual video sharing channel to see Poppy Bush, who headed the agency at some point, break into a very strange grin when commenting on this case, during Gerald Ford's funeral no less.
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That’s BS. I have been to Oswald’s perch in Dallas. It was an easy scope shot. And actually his shooting wasn’t that good. He missed on shot completely, only wounded on the second shot and only got a lucky headshot when the Secret Service driver stopped the vehicle to allow Clint Hill to climb on the trunk. Oswald and no one else killed Kennedy.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 10/30/2021 12:26:18 PM (No. 961694)
More BS from liars and fools who know nothing. Oswald was a USMC trained rifleman. The shot was SUPER easy. Only 60 yards, rested on a window sill, target going slightly downhill and directly away at about 4-5 mph, essentially no movement in the sights. This is the kind of shot that a father taking his 12 year old deer hunting for the first time hopes for because it is easy to do. 50-60 yards, resting the gun, nearly unmoving target. Only the very ignorant make this out to be a difficult shot.
My brother and I, as teens, purchased a couple of these same rifles and repeatedly timed ourselves firing at a Time Magazine cover, full sized head photo of whoever was on the cover then. We found it easy to do the shots in the time limit, with same kind of Carcano carbine, same ammo. EASY shot, from someone who has duplicated it many times.
99.9% of the BS published about the Kennedy assassination is pure lies and ignorance, and it gets worse as the truth gets farther away in time. More lies dredged up because the people are dead.
I have no clear idea of the reasons that Oswald did it, but the simple mechanics of the shooting were EASY.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Thos Weatherby 10/30/2021 12:28:18 PM (No. 961701)
I think "The Onion" has more credibility than the Daily Mail.
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As is the case in election fraud, they had multiple attacks, so that someone was sure to succeed.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 10/30/2021 12:29:35 PM (No. 961705)
John Wilkes Booth did not act alone.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Catherine 10/30/2021 12:38:39 PM (No. 961715)
If the story is so straight forward, Oswald killed Kennedy, then why were all the government records and accounts sealed for 50 years? And Jim Garrison in New Orleans had something to say about it and was shut up completely. It smelled of a cover up then and it still does since they don't want to release all the 'classified' documents.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
snakeoil 10/30/2021 12:46:15 PM (No. 961725)
I prefer the more credible conspiracy. JFK was assassinated by a cabal of New Orleans, homosexual, pastry chefs.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
stablemoney 10/30/2021 1:01:37 PM (No. 961735)
The thing revealed here that I did not know was that Oswald was trained by the CIA for involvement in the Cuban invasion. That may explain the 50 year blackout of the truth by the government. Kennedy made a lot of dangerous enemies. Assassination attempts on Castro were multiple, and he definitely would have done it, if he could. Robert Kennedy went after the mob, so it would not be surprising they returned the favor. The CIA and FBI, and the Secret Service, all over, snitching, surveilling, monitoring. But, then look at the open car Kennedy was displayed in, as if please shoot me. That speaks volumes about the ineptitude of the Secret Service. And the Dallas police, escorting Oswald through public crowds for Ruby to shoot Oswald, please. How inept is it possible to be? Then, the entire Cuban invasion was total ineptitude, mostly by the CIA. The young Yale graduates, and people recommended by the Ford Foundation, that Kennedy surrounded himself with did not provide him with anything but ineptitude.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bogeegolf 10/30/2021 1:04:30 PM (No. 961736)
Jack Ruby made sure there would be no trial. But who knows?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Rama41 10/30/2021 1:23:55 PM (No. 961749)
Just stop. Oswald killed him.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
mc squared 10/30/2021 1:36:44 PM (No. 961764)
TV personality and intrepid reporter Dorothy Kilgallen was found dead after an interview with Jack Ruby.
As Kilgallen neared the end of her JFK assassination investigation, her body was discovered in her townhouse bedroom with the official cause of death a drug overdose combined with alcohol consumption: “Circumstances Undetermined
https://thereporterwhoknewtoomuch.com/about-dorothy-kilgallen.html
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Trump'sCousin 10/30/2021 1:40:55 PM (No. 961769)
Whoever killed him, or had a part in it is either still alive or has very important ruling elite family members still alive.
It's why joe the pedo wouldn't release the documents a couple of weeks ago. He claimed it was due to covid that he is delaying.
What a pant load, just like him.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Ming 10/30/2021 1:43:12 PM (No. 961772)
Oswald killed him for sure, but Jackie O. put him up to it.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
AltaD 10/30/2021 2:04:20 PM (No. 961792)
Personally I'm more interested in learning the truth about TWA Flight 800.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Italiano 10/30/2021 2:11:39 PM (No. 961800)
Monkey Morales was a real dirtbag.
A perfect fit with today's CIA/FBI. Director material.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 10/30/2021 2:11:42 PM (No. 961801)
At this point, Biden's Buffoons are looking for any kind of distraction.
I'm content to blame Oswald. The assassination was 68 years ago. What's the point in rehashing this?
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Grounded 10/30/2021 2:17:46 PM (No. 961809)
Oswald was probably the shooter and the shot was not a particularly difficult one for a trained marksman with a decent rifle and scope. However, and this is where the conspiracy theories germinate, Oswald was not a highly proficient marksman and his Carcano M38 rifle found at the scene was generally considered to be a piece of crap. Being a former Marine, Oswald would have had a more than rudimentary knowledge of firearms and should have procured something a little more effective like a Remington 700 or 721.
But, Hey!, JFK conspiracy theories have been a cottage industry for nearly 60 years and aren't going to abate anytime soon. Especially when the alternative is placing sole culpability on a pathetic loser like Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
lazlototh 10/30/2021 2:18:29 PM (No. 961811)
I know the Daily Mail has to do something to get American readers every day but if you've ever visited Dealey Plaza it's way easier to understand how one person could have done this. The road isn't nearly as far from the window as the films make it look, and someone with reasonable skills and military training could have done those shots with a bolt action rifle in that amount of time.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Subsuburban 10/30/2021 2:46:19 PM (No. 961833)
Oswald made a not-especially-difficult shot; 67-70 yards on a slow moving target moving almost directly away from him with a scoped military rifle-a "weapon of war" in SJW parlance-from a solid rest, i.e., the window sill and no doubt the elements of luck and chance played their part. After all, would we still be talking about this if he had missed? I have made my share of "lucky" shots over the years, as well as missed an equal number of "can't miss" opportunities but I only took home the game my bullets impacted, not the ones that whizzed by harmlessly. That said, I'm still wondering about the after action events involving Jack Ruby. The official story is simply too pat to be believable. That notwithstanding, the expression, "Truth is stranger than fiction" is as valid regarding those events as it is about anything else.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
MDConservative 10/30/2021 2:54:25 PM (No. 961838)
Anyone ever add up the number of Cuban, mob, right-wing, and Secret Service assassins scattered about Dealy Plaza that day...all clearly identified by "experts" as the shooters? It must be dozens from the school book depository, grassy knoll, sewers, the overpass, and even the Secret Service chase car. The air was filled with lead those few seconds. This is like a Simpson's episode. Maybe it was Sideshow Bob!
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
berigan 10/30/2021 3:05:54 PM (No. 961846)
oh good grief, this crap again? Anytime I ever heard anyone say the CIA was involved, it was a liberal, that was saying Oswald was a conservative. What a joke! Ever hear him on a New Orleans show debating in favor of Communism? (I think that was the topic) A typical intelligent sounding bat bleep crazy lib. Gerald Posner wrote an excellent book years ago explaining how Oswald was able to do everything (as mentioned above, a pretty easy shot at a slow moving target)
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
DVC 10/30/2021 3:23:35 PM (No. 961857)
#13, that part isn't credible, either. Oswald was a dingbat communist, moved to Russia, lived there working at menial factory jobs, married his wife, but was eventually unhappy in his "nirvana" of Communist Russia, and came home. At that time, he was a dishonorably discharged veteran, and THAT would keep you out of most jobs. Show you DD214....and they'd send you away. Oswald would never have trained to invade Cuba since he supported Castro and the communists. Just not credible.
He was VERY angry because of poor work chances and had tried repeatedly to get his dishonorable discharge upgraded to general, so he could work and better care for his wife and infant daughter. He struggled for basic food and shelter in times when government welfare didn't exist. He wrote the SecNav, John Connolly several times trying to get his discharge upgraded, but was denied. I have always wondered if he was trying to kill Connolly and shot the wrong guy, although he did put a bullet through Connolly, too. Connolly had gone from SecNav to Gov. of Texas, but Oswald still had a grudge against him, more than anyone can find against Kennedy.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
DaBigGuy 10/30/2021 3:26:15 PM (No. 961860)
The Oswald-did-it-alone crowd needs to explain the following.
If Oswald was such an excellent marksman, how did one of his shots miss the car completely and injure James Tague? Yet a shot from about 65 yards hit JFK in the third vertebrae and the money shot from about 95 yards hit him in the head?
Parkland doctors said JFK had an entry wound in his throat and a large exit wound in the back of his head. JFK also had a wound in his back that barely penetrated. Oswald must have been using very magic bullets to pull those shots off.
But hey, if you want to believe a laughable theory put forth by Arlen Specter, feel free.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
49 Ford 10/30/2021 3:33:20 PM (No. 961866)
Absolutely right, # 26. Vincent Bugliosi and Lee Myers also wrote excellent books conclusively debunking all the conspiracy theories.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
JHHolliday 10/30/2021 4:50:20 PM (No. 961914)
One of the main reasons the conspiracy theories keep hanging on about this event is that the left doesn't want to admit that it was one of their own that killed the King of Camelot....Oswald was a loser and a communist. He defected once to the USSR but apparently, the Soviets didn't treat him like the hero he thought he was and he moved back to the US with his Russian wife. Several months before he shot Kennedy, Oswald tried to assassinate Major-General Edwin Walker because Walker was an outspoken anti-communist. He managed to just graze him. Then he shoots JFK and also kills Dallas patrolman J.D. Tibbet trying while on the run.. Oh, also a member of the ACLU. As Jackie said, "just some silly little communist". Occam's Razor seem quite in play here.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
DVC 10/30/2021 4:59:28 PM (No. 961917)
#22, on the Carcano being "a piece of crap". Not a fantastic gun, but the ones we had would reliably shoot a 1 inch group at 60 yards with the cheap Italian surplus ammo we had in the 60s when we tested, and miliary iron sights.
Bolt handle was bent, a plus, many military rifles of the time have the slower straight bolt handle. And it fed very smoothly from the 6 round enblock Mannlicher type clips that it uses. Target rifle? No, the military sights aren't all that good, but Oswald's had a 4X scope mounted, so the military sights were irrelevant.
And NO Marine leaves basic training without becoming what is, by civilian standards, a VERY good rifleman. Even the lower rated ones can make a 60 yd set up shot like this one. Testing of Oswald's rifle by the FBI at the time with ammunition procured from the same lot of US made ammo that he used was able make a 5/8" group at 60 yards, believable by me, since they used the scope and we only had the military iron sights. As teens, we could afford the $10 for a mail order rifle, but not the $40 more for scope and mount, so we did it open sighted....harder than Oswald's task, but we still made the time limit and hits repeatedly with out young eyes. Today....I'd need that scope, my eyes are 55 years older. My brother still has his rifle, I got rid of mine.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
49 Ford 10/30/2021 5:27:46 PM (No. 961930)
# 28, you've got your facts wrong. The doctors at Parkland were desperate to save Kennedy's life and used the throat wound as the starting point to create an airway. They did not perform any detailed analysis. And the first shot that hit Kennedy did in fact penetrate, passing through his throat (grazing his trachea along the way) and exiting to hit Governor Connally.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
MorningStar 10/30/2021 5:32:43 PM (No. 961932)
Some very interesting points of observation, and a few I quite agree with. The first question I would ask myself regarding the JFK assassination is, "Who had the most to gain from it?" Answer: The VP Lyndon B. Johnson. 2nd question: WHY was JFK killed in Dallas, TX and not Chicago, IL? Could it be because Lyndon Johnson's "power base of political influence" was Dallas, TX? Could it be that Jack Ruby, along with VP Johnson, entered into a conspiracy with Oswald to "take out" JFK, in order that Lyndon Johnson could be sworn in as President? Ruby was a good friend of Johnson's and was known to have a terminal illness, so when Oswald was captured alive and taken into police custody, Jack Ruby moved in for the "kill" so that Oswald couldn't spill the beans of exactly WHO was behind the assassination order. He didn't have long to live. It also became public knowledge that JFK's widow, Jacqueline Kennedy, had let it be widely known that she believed that Johnson was behind it all! Remember back nearly 58 years ago, how Johnson, (pictured in the rear of the plane bearing the body of the slain former President JFK), and his grief-stricken widow wearing her beautiful bright pink suit, covered in her husband's blood and brain material, had to witness to LBJ being sworn in as the new president. He adamantly refused leaving Dallas without that official sworn oath. I believe that Biden, being a Democrat doesn't want it known that one of their own Dems set up the entire DIRTY DEAL!! This case proved to be not as complicated as others tried to make it. Occam's Razor?!
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
joew9 10/30/2021 5:48:30 PM (No. 961938)
60 Minutes did a re-enactment of the shooting. Their marksman easily made the shots. But it was 60 Minutes so who can believe them? Well when they have results that doesn't support left wing conspiracy theories they have more credibility than they normally have.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 10/30/2021 5:55:31 PM (No. 961945)
At this point what does it matter? It was 58 years ago. Let it be.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
DVC 10/31/2021 12:34:58 AM (No. 962123)
Sorry, #28, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. All entry wounds from the rear.
The Carcano fired a 160 gr round nosed, full metal jacketed bullet VERY noted for extreme penetration. Military full metal jacketed bullets penetrate straight and deep unless they strike a bone which breaks the copper alloy jacket and releases the lead core to fragment. The "magic" bullet path and penetration has been demonstrated repeatedly to match the capabilities of the ammunition. The rear head shot had the bullet jacket torn by the skull and the bullet 'blew up' once the jacket was ruptured, as they do.
All this nonsense about "impossible shots" and magic bullets comes from folks who learned about guns from TV and movies, and bullets from the same. Those of use who have shot a hell of a lot of them, including the exact gun and exact ammo know that there is nothing at all remarkable about the shots or the bullet actions.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
homefry 10/31/2021 7:57:00 AM (No. 962297)
NO bunch on earth other than the dim-0 party had enough CYA power to get away with it.
WHY they would do it OR cover up some other crowd, I dont know but, I will always believe that they either did it, or covered for someone.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
DaBigGuy 11/3/2021 4:32:01 AM (No. 965478)
#36, let me address at least part of the misinformation you posted on this thread.
In #7, you completely misstated both the shot distance and the limo speed, making the shot appear easier than it actually was. Then using your imaginary information, you came up with a non sequitur and useless conclusion that you supposedly can make those shots. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Oswald could have made the shots. The FBI had to fit Oswald's gun with three shims to line up the scope and the barrel, making the actual shooter's job that much harder. Reread the article, presuming you read it at all. Oswald's trainer said he was not skilled enough to have made those shots. He has actual knowledge of Oswald's proficiency. You do not. Your ability to make those shots is not relevant to the discussion. In conclusion, Morales said Oswald could not make those shots. Evidence shows he did not make those shots.
You have the audacity to talk about facts? Seriously? You couldn't refute any of what I said. Yes, I am entitled to my opinions, at least mine are factually based concerning this case. You, on the other hand, have shown a distinct unfamiliarity with the facts of this case. Your statement at #36 that all the shots were from the rear has no corroboration anywhere except the Warren Commission's fictional essay. As I said, the Parkland doctors said JFK has a throat entry wound and a rear exit wound. So who should I believe, the skilled emergency room surgeons who saw, evaluated and treated the wounds, or your unfounded statement. Um, I think I'll go with the actual eyewitnesses here. These were experienced doctors who were familiar with gunshot wounds.
I'll sum this up simply. Fritz and Curry could not place Oswald in the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30. You can't either. Failing that, whether he could or could not have made the shots becomes moot.
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