Homes may have gas cut off if they refuse
to take part in hydrogen trial
Telegraph [UK],
by
Emma Gatten
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
10/3/2021 9:30:53 AM
Homeowners who refuse to take part in a hydrogen energy trial will be forcibly cut off by gas network operators, under Government plans to test green heating alternatives. Residents in one village will begin the pilot scheme by 2025 to help the Government assess whether hydrogen gas can be used as a low-carbon alternative for heating homes across the country. Ministers insisted the powers to enter people's homes and switch off their gas would only be used as a "last resort" if the homeowners had refused to engage with any other options. A consultation, which ended this week, suggests the
Reply 1 - Posted by:
PChristopher 10/3/2021 9:36:54 AM (No. 933505)
OP beat me to it.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
GO3 10/3/2021 9:44:03 AM (No. 933514)
Great program - put a bomb in your home. That will really heat things up.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 10/3/2021 9:45:06 AM (No. 933516)
Time to move.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
planetgeo 10/3/2021 9:55:26 AM (No. 933530)
In a free country you can get off the grid...in a communist country the grid gets you off.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
mc squared 10/3/2021 10:05:18 AM (No. 933541)
Note the expected 'rollout of heat pumps' to replace gas.
Last I heard they run on electricity. I guess they are 'Zero Emission' like electric cars.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
downnout 10/3/2021 10:07:50 AM (No. 933544)
So your home is no longer your castle. English law be damned.
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UK intends to go green by making Hydrogen out of...wait for it...methane. In other words, Natural Gas.
There is nothing stupider on Earth than a greenie communist.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
GO3 10/3/2021 10:37:35 AM (No. 933574)
Other points. If the goal is to reach zero emissions, the plants will revolt. Also, if the heat pumps referenced are the same heat pumps we have they’re in for a rude awakening. They are fine for AC , but when you get below about 32F they are useless. Electricity use increases because the aux heating coil kicks in repeatedly.
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Ribicon 10/3/2021 10:40:25 AM (No. 933579)
At least they don't speak German. Only Arabic and Asian dialects, with a detectable tinge of Soviet in their rulers.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
southernboy 10/3/2021 10:42:37 AM (No. 933580)
Where did I just read that industries in Europe are suffering from unreliable electricity supplies because the winds to power the windmills have not been as strong this summer. Too bad about all those shuttered nuclear power plants just setting there. Now they are screwing around with heating fuels.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
hershey 10/3/2021 10:58:45 AM (No. 933598)
Call it what you will but it's still blackmail....
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Roscoelewis 10/3/2021 11:56:24 AM (No. 933650)
It takes energy to produce hydrogen gas. What fuel is used to produce that production energy?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
paral04 10/3/2021 12:03:14 PM (No. 933661)
The hydrogen atom is unstable and dangerous. It needs to be handled very carefully. There are hydrogen generation plants coming online and producing clean cheap energy. They need to replace the power plants with this technology, not the individual homes where a leak will cause an explosion.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DVC 10/3/2021 12:37:27 PM (No. 933724)
A few facts about hydrogen, compared to NatGas.
1. The energy of a spark required to ignite hydrogen is far lower than the energy level of a spark required to ignite NG. So, static sparks and such are more likely to cause a fire with hydrogen if there is a leak.
2. Hydrogen is a far, far smaller molecule than NG, so it will leak out of pipes and joints which are perfectly tight for NG. Think BBs versus beach balls. You can keep in beach balls with 1/2" wire mesh, but not BBs.
3. Hydrogen is so small that it actually diffuses into steel and causes steel to become very brittle, like glass. So, pipes that are stressed, after exposure to hydrogen, will shatter if stressed, where they previously would take the load and spring back.
I predict a flaming disaster.
And as to the Hindenberg. Most of the fire was due to the extremely flammable silver paint used on the exterior skin of the craft, not the hydrogen which was in separate interior gas bags. You can tell this by the color of the flames. Hydrogen burns with a nearly invisible blue flame. The Hindenberg flames were bright yellow, because they were burning the high energy, extremely flammable special skin paint used on the exterior cloth covering.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 10/3/2021 12:43:51 PM (No. 933733)
#5, ask anyone who has a heat pump how well they work when the air temp drops below about 30F. Most heat pump systems have resistance electric heat (the same as those red glowing electric space heaters) that cuts in when the temp reaches about 30F outside, since the heat pump can't keep up at that point. The people I know who had these systems years ago shut off the resistance electric heat because it was incredibly expensive, and installed a wood stove for days below 30F. Heat pumps are more usual in the south where heating demands are low, and there are few days below 30F.
Some heat pump systems use the ground or a pond or lake as their heat source rather than the air, and can work in lower air temps, but typically cost a LOT more to install.
Nat gas is THE perfect home heating method. Easy and cheap to transport to each home via pipeline, and nearly 100% of the energy goes into the home.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 10/3/2021 1:29:50 PM (No. 933801)
If the system is 100% hydrogen there are issues. Among them are hydrogen odorization so people can smell leaks is difficult, small leaks are hard to detect, and hydrogen burns with an almost invisible flame. Additionally, hydrogen does not exist on earth as a free gas. This means it takes more energy to produce than it provides. Politicians are more than willing to waste other peoples' money on projects in hopes of eliminating an non-existent problem.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
DVC 10/3/2021 1:45:27 PM (No. 933814)
Excellent point, #16. Hydrogen is NOT an energy source.
Energy sources are things that you "go and get" to use for energy. Solar and wind are energy sources, just not very consistent ones, and very diffuse, hard to gather together and store.
Natural gas is a concentrated energy source. Wood, coal, oil, etc. all concentrated, easily stored energy sources.
There is NO place to "go and get" hydrogen. (Well, you could go to the Sun, pretty impractical).
You MAKE hydrogen by using a lot more energy than is recovered in burning the hydrogen. So, start with 10 units of energy as NG, then make 3 or 4 units of energy as hydrogen. Or 10 units of wind electricity, and make 1 or 2 units of hydrogen energy. VERY wasteful, very expensive.
If you don't blow yourself up in the process.
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Not to pun, but DVC is on fire today.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
rikkitikki 10/3/2021 4:41:53 PM (No. 933924)
It takes 1.25 Btus of methane to generate one Btu of 'Blue' hydrogen gas...and the CO2 that was bonded to hydrogen in methane is then released into the atmosphere.
And generating hydrogen from other sources (coal, or electrolysis) is far worse in terms of its CO2 generation.
After that, of course, distributing hydrogen as a residential fuel is far more dangerous than methane, as other posters have pointed out, above.
So, tell me again...why is 'blue gas' a good idea...for anyone except the venture cap speculators promoting it?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
rikkitikki 10/3/2021 4:44:55 PM (No. 933926)
Just drove down to Houston from Dallas earlier today...and saw four more mega-windmill blades being trucked north on I-45, offloaded in Houston after being shipped here from China or some other place benefitting from the commercial benefits of human slavery.
And, to state the obvious, some utility company in America is still building frickin windmills for 'green' energy.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
JL80863 10/3/2021 5:05:20 PM (No. 933936)
Hey Kids! Can you spell BOOM?
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For those that think hydrogen is 'safe' and 'clean', view actual news footage from 1937:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWHbpMVQ1U (5:00)
Shows the Zeppelin flying over NYC on its way to Lakehurst, NJ. For the first 2 1/2 minutes it's very pretty - like a ballet. Then...
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