Afghanistan will be seen as Joe Biden’s
defeat. And it may come back
to haunt him
Guardian [U.K.],
by
Simon Tisdall
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
8/15/2021 2:08:49 AM
What will it take for Joe Biden to admit he is disastrously wrong about Afghanistan? The US leader struck a defiant pose last week. Sounding like a slightly desperate Olympics coach, he told Afghans it was their country. If they want it, they have to fight for it. In American politics-speak, this is called tough love. Without the love.
Biden has more hands-on foreign policy experience than any president since George HW Bush. That doesn’t mean he knows what he’s doing. Opinion polls suggest his abrupt Afghan withdrawal has majority public support. That doesn’t mean Americans will remain indifferent as the carnage and misery mount.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
seamusm 8/15/2021 2:21:30 AM (No. 879384)
It will be held against Biden and the Dims ONLY if a resurgent Taliban mounts some attack reminiscent of 9/11 on US soil. America is tired of sacrificing its sons and daughters on the other side of the world for uncertain benefit to the USA. If the Afganis won't die to save themselves why should we?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
leonardo 8/15/2021 2:49:41 AM (No. 879395)
Defeat? TRY ROUT!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
watashiyo 8/15/2021 3:05:53 AM (No. 879399)
Honey, you stay here and hold them back while I get the police.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
pensom2 8/15/2021 3:21:56 AM (No. 879403)
We had to get out of there, though not so suiddenly and quickly as we are doing. The Afghan army might have been able to fight and win if they continued with American jets bombing taliban targets. The additional problem is that, as in other conflicts, we are propping up many corrupt leaders who have stolen billions in US aid. The military doesn't trust them and they cannot lead or inspire the troops.
But then again, we have many of the same sort of corrupt leaders in our own government.
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Sadly, I think Joe is down to about 10 minutes in recall. It won't haunt him. What he doesn't know or remember can't haunt him.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Birddog 8/15/2021 4:32:06 AM (No. 879418)
"America is BAAAAK!!!"- Joe Biden, to congress, to NATO, to every group in every foreign policy speech since 'Day One'(and in headlines in all major Media)
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 8/15/2021 4:36:10 AM (No. 879419)
I only slightly blame biden for this. Even if he was mentally capable of grasping the true situation, I wouldn't blame him much . The 0bama Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon, and the globalist leftist career hacks at the Department of State are to blame. Heck, 'W.' Bush and his 'nation building' efforts are more to blame than dementia biden is.
The Taliban, in a couple of weeks has gained control of vastly more territory and is a thousand times better armed than they were when we began the 20 year war against them. Joe may have signed an order telling Milley and the other generals to just abandon all of the weapons, supplies and facilities, but he only signed what someone told him to sign. The bought-and-paid-for generals and their Military industrial Complex paymassters are the ones that wanted it that way.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Strike3 8/15/2021 5:11:33 AM (No. 879423)
MAY come back? The entire world will curse this blithering fool before he dies and after. The democrats removed a legitimate President and replaced him with a garden gnome.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Flyball Dogs 8/15/2021 5:12:01 AM (No. 879424)
“ Biden has more hands-on foreign policy experience than any president since George HW Bush.”
Define “experience.”
If Mr. Tisdall means Freak Joe shook hands with foreign leaders and could name The Queen, yes, I suppose he has experience.
If he means that Freak Joe considered foreign policy, made decisions, and implemented policy….then not so much.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
mifla 8/15/2021 5:36:19 AM (No. 879430)
America is the only country who sends arms and money to its' enemies, hoping they will kill us last.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 8/15/2021 6:07:31 AM (No. 879451)
The title of the article is really stupid......"may come back to haunt him". I hate to tell this author but Joe has dementia and I would be surprised if he lasts another 10 months, if that. Whoever is the puppet master really hosed up. It sounds and feels like a Susan Rice job.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Red Jeep 8/15/2021 6:36:41 AM (No. 879466)
Afghanistan, pResident Xiden's Waterloo.
It will be interesting to see if Democrat voters turn against Xiden over they way the U.S. leaves Afghanistan.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
stablemoney 8/15/2021 6:37:02 AM (No. 879468)
I don't think Biden is going to be around for anything to come back to haunt him. It will haunt us because of the disgrace.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bpl40 8/15/2021 7:14:07 AM (No. 879483)
Democrats lose wars and Republicans pick up the blame. Doesn't work the other way.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
mathman 8/15/2021 7:16:13 AM (No. 879485)
The only reason we have a military in the first place is to fight the good fight on behalf of Critical Race Theory. The military does not exist to fight wars. Wars are for other People. The true enemy is White Power, which must be eliminated. By white people. Please do not ask me how white people can eliminate White Power. It is a Mystery.
We only fight Enemies of the Deep State.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 8/15/2021 7:29:21 AM (No. 879496)
When you are dealing with troglodytes’ nation building is a waste of blood and treasure - scorched earth and re-deploy is the only solution to these problems.,
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
udanja99 8/15/2021 7:59:17 AM (No. 879513)
Beg to differ, #1. The September 11 attack should have been laid at the feet of Clinton who was given the opportunity to take out bin Laden on multiple occasions. On one of those he was on the golf course and told the SS agent who brought him the news of an opportunity to back off and leave him alone. And then there was his appointee Jamie Gorelick who blocked communications between the CIA and the FBI who, working together, might have prevented the attack.
But if you look at the news coverage and the history books, the blame is placed on Bush 43 who had only been in office for 8 months. They will do the opposite if there is another attack here - it will be blamed on President Trump who, much to the left’s chagrin, did take out top terrorist leaders. Demonrats NEVER have to take responsibility for their actions.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Otis Gill 8/15/2021 8:21:37 AM (No. 879546)
It doesn't matter if Xi Biden is blamed for his disastrous handling of Afghanistan. It only matters who counts the votes.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Yuban 8/15/2021 8:31:51 AM (No. 879559)
America keeps losing at home and abroad. What a country we have become.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
msjena 8/15/2021 8:34:41 AM (No. 879563)
It doesn’t matter because Biden is a one-term President. He won’t be running again in all likelihood. But until then, he and his “handlers” will continue their destruction of this country, with disastrous consequences at home and abroad.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
minuteman 8/15/2021 8:41:02 AM (No. 879576)
Wrong. The gaslight media and the department of indoctrination will ensure that it is remembered as Trump's fault.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
AbingtonJim 8/15/2021 8:42:04 AM (No. 879580)
When he's lost the Guardian you know he's toast.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
smokincol 8/15/2021 8:42:58 AM (No. 879583)
joe biden was the disposable candidate for the demcommies against an overwhelmingly popular and powerful President Donald J. Trump - the demcommies knew there was no candidate who could defeat our president but they knew biden was the perfect dunce to do the job as directed by barak obama - biden is floating in an ocean of vagaries and has attained the position sought by most senators and high level federal and state politicians - he has no idea, nor does he care, of the consequences of his time in office - he will be summarily drummed out of office but will not be sent to prison, where he belongs because of his age - there is no justice and he will less than an asterisk on the pages of United States history - the withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan is an abjectly, illiterate decision but that was the obama plan all along - so the real criminal in all of this is obama and justice has to be served on him to make an impact on the people of our country to rebuild their belief in our system, once again
MAGA, A 2022 & 2024 and beyond
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 8/15/2021 8:58:06 AM (No. 879604)
Haunt Joe Biden you must be joking? The brain dead joker couldn't find Afghanistan on a school house globe.
This was like training the south Vietnamese army to fight while the U.S. withdrew. The Vietnamese army was run over by the North's Regular Army communist and Viet Cong like a freight train on a hobo. I understand Bush wanted to hunt Bin Laden in the mountains but should have only used air attacks with missiles no soldiers on the ground. Too late the Russians are getting the last laugh on this disaster. We can't run around the globe acting like policemen. If ME neighbors have problems let them engage or not it's not our problem to spend money and valuable patriotic young people for a disaster like this. Let the brave politicians like the ones hiding under tables on 1-6 go fight or put them in front to lead the charge. The last Presidents we had that did that were George Washington and Ulysses Grant. Forget Biden leave him to sniff young girl's hair that's all that pervert is good at. Trust me this won't harm any democrats in the future this is just gnashing of teeth by the right that will amount to nothing.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
NamVet70 8/15/2021 8:58:41 AM (No. 879607)
Actually the Biden regime needs to start figuring out how to handle the fact that the Taliban will be holding US citizens as hostages after Kabul falls, just as the Iranian regime did when Iran fell. Jimmy Carter didn't have a clue how to solve that problem and at the time I thought Jimmy was the worst president evah. However Obama and Biden have proven the Jimmy actually was nowhere near as bad as things can get.
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Joe Biden is not worried about Afghanistan because when he woke up this morning, he forgot where the country is located or that we are even there.
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What annoys me so much is that the blame will be laid at Biden’s feet, not at his handlers like it should. Biden doesn’t care, he repeats what he’s told, there’s no comprehension there. But I want his puppet masters to suffer the fires of hell, and I want to watch it happen. Yes, it’s called vengeance, so sue me.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Jebediah 8/15/2021 9:38:25 AM (No. 879648)
And yet, as always, Biden (hiding at Camp David) is trying to blame this debacle on the Trump Administration!!!!!! ALMOST bought the Sunday NY Times this a.m. but noted that the Afghanistan story, though on page 1, was one column down the page and easy to miss......and the Sunday Times is now $6.00. A long day in H--- before I give that paper my $.......they STILL are covering for the man, who, as always, is hiding in a"basement" and pretty much let off the hook. Heard yesterday that ALL his generals and advisors advised against but he overruled on the quick pullout during fighting season.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 8/15/2021 9:41:08 AM (No. 879651)
We also see here that the Afghans decided their freedom was not worth fighting for. Doesn't that same behavior seem to be growing here in Amerika as well? Where is the American fighting spirit.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
kono 8/15/2021 9:51:15 AM (No. 879661)
Haunt Biteme? It will bite us all, as what's happening there will destabilize the whole West, and the Socialist revolution preoccupying Democrats has rendered us unable to stop the fall. Notice that the whole world is already wearing face veils in the form of masks (even after the masks have been shown to be ineffective at stopping the virus).
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
red1066 8/15/2021 9:55:19 AM (No. 879666)
I think opening the border to every Covid carrying illegal. Spending trillions of dollars we don't have which creates inflation. Ending oil drilling and the pipeline forcing gas prices to soar then asking OPEC to increase oil production after we were energy independent, will be enough to haunt Biteme and the demosluts for years. Afghanistan is just icing on the cake.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Roscoelewis 8/15/2021 10:21:00 AM (No. 879695)
Blame who you want. I'm just glad it's over.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
starboard 8/15/2021 10:34:09 AM (No. 879712)
The Coward in Chief has already tried to accuse President Trump....That dog ain't going to hunt now or ever. Biden owns this debacle lock, stock and barrel.
Joe Biden and I were born the same year. We are children of the The Greatest Generation, who instilled values in us. I don't know about him, but I grew up going to a great public school system where we said the pledge of allegiance and the Lord's Prayer everyday. We were taught about our founding fathers (that's right, fathers) and how they fought for our independence to become a free republic called the United States of America. It was once said if you went to school in the Fifties, it was now the equivalent of a college degree. The sense of pride in me has not diminished one iota, but has only grown over the years. Even with Vietnam, my generation's war and what a disgrace it was to see how they treated our boys when they came home and what happened to Saigon in the aftermath. I remember back in the 60's a book called the Ugly American. Thank you 1st Amendment. We got through the horrific 60's and still my pride to be an American never wavered even to this day. Although, today, I'm disgusted with our poorly administered and corrupt government. Now we have an addled person who stole the 2020 election and who has comprised our country to the CCP. and the big tech oligarch's. What will his next aspirin factory be to change the subject from the border crisis. Joe Biden and his incompetent administration should all be given pink slips and thrown out of the people's house.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Penney 8/15/2021 1:36:18 PM (No. 879893)
The defeat belongs not on Biden's narrow shoulders alone, but to the entire dem/socialist party which propelled, (-possibly through voter fraud), the incompetent Biden/Harris ticket into office! While the dem party is already distancing itself from the Afghanistan tragedy/debacle, the party leaders cannot deny they set the increasing failures of national policies in motion and so have supported every resulting disaster Biden signed into. It seems that Biden is just the front man of the dem party which is responsible for the increasing policy failures occurring now. Pelosi & Schumer may try to blame Biden/Harris in order to shield their party, but the entire dem politico gang bears responsibility for failure after failure.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
danu 8/15/2021 2:02:16 PM (No. 879914)
Re 17: Respectfully, where are the Bushes and Cheneys now ?
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
NorthernDog 8/15/2021 2:21:09 PM (No. 879939)
9th century barbarians riding 100 cc motorbikes will claim they defeated the USA, and Biden's atrocious pullout won't be able to refute it.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
jigzsaw 8/15/2021 3:25:23 PM (No. 880003)
They have to equate Biden with Trump because he wanted to withdraw also. I have to believe it would’ve been done much differently under DJT. The comparisons will be drawn, though, because the left needs to share the blame for this giant debacle.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
XCenturion 8/15/2021 6:54:31 PM (No. 880203)
With a demented fool at the helm, we're in deep chit people! Remember, lying cheating Democrats are the reason this fool is in office.
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